Re: [AMRadio] 1930's Old Buzzard Open Rack TransmitterFinallySeestheAirwaves! (Long)

2006-02-23 Thread Mike Dorworth, K4XM
811/812 CCS phone dis is 27 watts with 82 watts output.

811/812 ICAS phone dis is 40 watts, with 120 watts output

811A/812A CCS Phone dis is 30 watts, with 85 watts output

811A/812A ICAS Phone dis is 45 watts, with 130 watts output.

Per RCA Transmitting tube manuals..Sadly, page 21 is missing from my Taylor
Catalog.
 Taylor did not use ICAS Ratings to my knowledge.
 RCA introduced those with the 1941 Tube Guides..

 The 1939 ARRL handbook, page 80 shows the phone ratings  for the T-55 as
1500 volts and 150 plate mills.Peak power output of 652 watts and a carrier
power of 168 watts..With the input of 225 watts and a output of 168 watts,
then the CCS Phone dissapation would have been 57 watts.  Mike


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 The T55 has 55 watts of plate dis, and gives 170 watts out?
 The 812A has 65 watts of plate dis and gives 130 to 150 watts out?





Re: [AMRadio] 1930's Old Buzzard Open Rack TransmitterFinallySeestheAirwaves! (Long)

2006-02-23 Thread Mike Dorworth, K4XM
811/812 CCS phone dis is 27 watts with 82 watts output.

811/812 ICAS phone dis is 40 watts, with 120 watts output

811A/812A CCS Phone dis is 30 watts, with 85 watts output

811A/812A ICAS Phone dis is 45 watts, with 130 watts output.

Per RCA Transmitting tube manuals..Sadly, page 21 is missing from my Taylor
Catalog.
 Taylor did not use ICAS Ratings to my knowledge.
 RCA introduced those with the 1941 Tube Guides..

 The 1939 ARRL handbook, page 80 shows the phone ratings  for the T-55 as
1500 volts and 150 plate mills.Peak power output of 652 watts and a carrier
power of 168 watts..With the input of 225 watts and a output of 168 watts,
then the CCS Phone dissapation would have been 57 watts.  Mike


From: Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 The T55 has 55 watts of plate dis, and gives 170 watts out?
 The 812A has 65 watts of plate dis and gives 130 to 150 watts out?





RE: [AMRadio] 1930's Old Buzzard Open Rack TransmitterFinallySeestheAirwaves! (Long)

2006-02-22 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
A pair of 812As should get you about max 360 watts out with 65 watt PD
in intermittent service (CW not AM).  I can't see the T55 doing better
with a lower plate dissipation limit.

For those that don't readily have the specs--

812A Class C Plate Modulated (CCS) 45 watt PD 
Plate Voltage . 1250 
VGrid No. 1 Voltage  -115 
VGrid No. 1 Current  35 mA
Plate Current . 140 mA
Driving Power . 7.6 W
Power Output (approx) . 130 W
Grid leak resistor  3286 ohms

That is 175 watts input on a single tube with 130 watts output.
Plate dissipation in this service is only 45 watts of the 65 watts
rated, so this should be a continuous duty service.
Push pull specs for Class C should yield about 350 Watts input and 230
watts output, an efficiency of 75 percent.

Grid current and plate current doubles for push pull service as does
output and driving power. Grid leak resistance should be one half or
about 1643 ohms 

The two most common cause of poor efficiency is improper drive/bias and
improper Q in plate tank circuit Ratio of (C to L).

These tubes are easy to drive, rugged, good efficiency, modulation
characteristics fantastic, low filament power, uses common components
for construction. 

In my opinion this service and tube line up is the best choice for a
conservatively rated light weight legal rig.   

John, WA5BXO 



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The T55 has 55 watts of plate dis, and gives 170 watts out?
The 812A has 65 watts of plate dis and gives 130 to 150 watts out?

I get about 275 watts out at 1500 volts, no color on the plates, 
maybe I should try the T55's, they will give me 340 watts out?

I never even plugged the T55's in or tested them.
Filaments are no problem, I have a panel mount variac 
to adjust the voltage between 0 and 12 volts.

I did try a set of 572b tubes, but they seem to work hard and not
give a lot more power output.

Brett
N2DTS 

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 My 1937 Jone Radio handbook says that a T-55 has 55 watt 
 plate dissipation,
 typical 1500 vdc plate voltage with -180 vdc grid bias, max. 
 Ip is 150 mA,
 max. Ig is 30 mA.10 watts RF  in, 170 watts RF out for 225 
 in.7.5 VAC @3.25
 on filament. The 811A is 65 watts plate dissipation, the 
 difference in the
 811A and the 812 is that the 811A is zero bias and the 812A 
 needs -110 vdc
 bias. Power out of the 811/812 is 130 to 150 watts.
 811A/812A info from 1970 ARRL Handbook.
  Joe W4AAB
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 CONGRADULATIONS A JOB WELL DONE!
 I really like the choice of tubes.  I don't know what a T55 is but
 probably one of the special Taylor triodes with 55 watts 
 plate dissipation.
 Probably not a lot different than the 812s but I know that 
 the 812s are very
 good tubes to use in a class C plate modulated rig especially 
 if used with
 100% grid leak bias or the configuration that Don, K4KYV, 
 uses where there
 is a safety bias supplied thru a diode and the diode becomes 
 reversed biased
 when RF drive causes grid leak bias.  The 100% Grid leak bias 
 DOES make a
 difference in the modulation characteristics of the rig.
 John, WA5BXO
 
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