Re: [AMRadio] BC-610 Modulator feedback - and notes

2006-03-18 Thread Rbethman 

Rick,

Additionally, there should be NO shield on the 2A3s.  The entire
transmitter was designed to function with CONVECTION or OPEN air cooling.

There is only ONE tube that has a "shield".  It is the oscillator deck
6L6.  It SHOULD be a metal jacketed tube.

The 1/4 X 20 bolts on top of BC-610(X)s were intended for the mounting
of the BC-939(X) antenna tuners.  Since the BC-614(X) speech amp is
fully enclosed w/o vents, I, for one, would be very hesitant to use it
on top of the BC-610(X).  All the heat from below would add to the heat
inside the speech amp.  The components "probably" weren't designed for
THAT additional heat.  The BC-614(X) has a long enough connecting cable
to place it on the operating bench.

Pay close attention to WB2FCN, Jim!  He restored my first one.  He has
"carnal" knowledge of these BEASTS and has helped MANY get them up and
going.

I've also resent this to INCLUDE the T-368 BC-610 group, WHICH, you may 
wish to join Rick.


Bob - N0DGN

James M. Walker wrote:


I'll bet you a nickel the bias supply has a problem, the plate supply
for the 2A3s is not normal the plate supply is achieved by putting a
negative voltage on the 2A3s cathode to raise hte plate to 360 volts.

Sounds like the bias supply voltage is off. Check the manual and then
the components that provide voltage to the 2A3s
Jim
WB2FCN
YMMV

- Original Message - From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Modulator feedback


Thanks Mike.  I just made a discovery about the 2A3 A-F drivers.  I 
had a set of matched NOS RCA tubes in there.  The feedback seemed to 
be coming from the area of those tubes more so than anywhere else.  
So, I exchanged them for another pair I have and it seemed to help 
quiet the feedback. Obviously, microphonics in the 2A3's is a 
factor.  Next I looked for shields for the tubes, but have none, so I 
used a "poor man's shield", a couple of pieces of aluminum foil.  It 
helped considerably!  As a matter of fact, I could then advance the 
audio of the speech amp enough to achieve good modulation.  So, I am 
now on a quest to find some way of shielding the 2A3's.  I'm afraid 
my temporary foil shields would cause the tubes to over heat, plus 
it's not the best way of doing it.  Have you had any experience with 
this?  I wonder if the 100th's are also part of the problem.  I 
really think the "talk back" is coming from the modulation 
transformer, which I can live with.  I just have to get the feedback 
out of it.


Thanks for your assistance and advice,
Rick/K5IZ



Mike Sawyer wrote:


Rick,
   The UTC may work so don't discount it. Those I and H model 
transformers were only about half the size as the D and E models. I 
can't think of the company that made them but they were 
substantially different then the earlier models. As always, your 
mileage may vary.

Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK





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Re: [AMRadio] BC-610 Modulator feedback - and notes

2006-03-18 Thread Rbethman 

Rick,

Additionally, there should be NO shield on the 2A3s.  The entire 
transmitter was designed to function with CONVECTION or OPEN air cooling.


There is only ONE tube that has a "shield".  It is the oscillator deck 
6L6.  It SHOULD be a metal jacketed tube.


The 1/4 X 20 bolts on top of BC-610(X)s were intended for the mounting 
of the BC-939(X) antenna tuners.  Since the BC-614(X) speech amp is 
fully enclosed w/o vents, I, for one, would be very hesitant to use it 
on top of the BC-610(X).  All the heat from below would add to the heat 
inside the speech amp.  The components "probably" weren't designed for 
THAT additional heat.  The BC-614(X) has a long enough connecting cable 
to place it on the operating bench.


Pay close attention to WB2FCN, Jim!  He restored my first one.  He has 
"carnal" knowledge of these BEASTS and has helped MANY get them up and 
going.


Bob - N0DGN

James M. Walker wrote:


I'll bet you a nickel the bias supply has a problem, the plate supply
for the 2A3s is not normal the plate supply is achieved by putting a
negative voltage on the 2A3s cathode to raise hte plate to 360 volts.

Sounds like the bias supply voltage is off. Check the manual and then
the components that provide voltage to the 2A3s
Jim
WB2FCN
YMMV

- Original Message - From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" 
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Modulator feedback


Thanks Mike.  I just made a discovery about the 2A3 A-F drivers.  I 
had a set of matched NOS RCA tubes in there.  The feedback seemed to 
be coming from the area of those tubes more so than anywhere else.  
So, I exchanged them for another pair I have and it seemed to help 
quiet the feedback. Obviously, microphonics in the 2A3's is a 
factor.  Next I looked for shields for the tubes, but have none, so I 
used a "poor man's shield", a couple of pieces of aluminum foil.  It 
helped considerably!  As a matter of fact, I could then advance the 
audio of the speech amp enough to achieve good modulation.  So, I am 
now on a quest to find some way of shielding the 2A3's.  I'm afraid 
my temporary foil shields would cause the tubes to over heat, plus 
it's not the best way of doing it.  Have you had any experience with 
this?  I wonder if the 100th's are also part of the problem.  I 
really think the "talk back" is coming from the modulation 
transformer, which I can live with.  I just have to get the feedback 
out of it.


Thanks for your assistance and advice,
Rick/K5IZ



Mike Sawyer wrote:


Rick,
   The UTC may work so don't discount it. Those I and H model 
transformers were only about half the size as the D and E models. I 
can't think of the company that made them but they were 
substantially different then the earlier models. As always, your 
mileage may vary.

Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK





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+---+--+
|   Manassas Radio - Home of Homemade Kielbasa & Pirogi|
+---+--+
| Bob Bethman\\\|/// " The absence of a danger |
| rbethman(at)comcast.net   \\ ~ ~ //  signal does *NOT* mean  |
|   (/ @ @ /)  that everything is OK " |
+-oOOo-(_)-oOOo+
|   |
| 1 BC-61ØI w/BC-614I,1 T-213/GRC-26 w/BC614I 1 '51 Collins R-390A |
|  SP-600/NR Type 159, Heath DX-60, Apache, Mohawk, SX-101, HT-32A |
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