RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-17 Thread Bob Peters
I agree with you Todd...I sold my KW-1 in 1992 for $22,000.00 and was
happy to get it...I found a Johnson 500 for a guy in Florida for $2500
in 2000 and he was pleased as punch... I just paid $425 for an SX42 but
I wanted it and was willing to pay it... So go figure If you want it bad
enough you pay for it...


Bob W1PE

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On 9/15/07, Ellen Rugowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But as I've been told numerous times in the past few months, the days 
> of the cheapo "for the asking" old rigs seem to be going away.  Oh 
> well.  Still, the 30K1 is a prewar rig, and they are rare (as Jack 
> mentioned).  $3400 for a 500 Viking seems over the top.

Some folks are still stuck in the "I used to pay $5 for those, so they
aren't worth more" mode of thinking, despite everything else in the
world costing more. The good deals are as numerous as we are
resourceful. Convenience costs more.

It really depends what you want it for, and how you look at it overall.
For example, someone who wants to best, cleanest example for display or
bragging rights will likely pay more money than any 'user' would. I
always try to find rigs in good cosmetic shape paint-wise simply because
it's the part of restoration I'm not well versed in, but I don't let a
few flaws stop me from picking up an interesting rig (if it's within my
price range, of course). Zorched parts, missing parts - generally not a
problem.

The 30K was actually a post-war model, some say styled after the pre-war
30J (one nice looking transmitter). In 1948 the selling price for the
later 30K-1 and 310A-1 exciter was $1450. If you run that through an
inflation calculator it comes out to $12647.39 in 2006 dollars. If you
run $4000 backwards to 1948 dollars, it comes to $458.59. Certainly not
chump change back then, but roughly one third of the 30K-1 selling
price.

The KW-1 tracks the same: the $3850 price in 1952 would've cost
$28873.34 in 2006 dollars. Most KW-1s in nice shape the last decade have
sold between $20-$25K with a few highs and lows either side. Not too far
off, really. But clearly - if you'd bought a KW-1 new and stored it away
for 55 years, you'd get your money back but not much more, so not a very
good "investment".

The Johnson 500 price between 1956-63(not sure if it varied) lists as
$949.50 factory assembled. Even going with 1963 dollars to 2006, it
still comes out at $6114.65. You'd pay that much or more for some of the
latest plastic whizbang boxes. So it really comes down to what you want,
what you enjoy, and what you're comfortable paying for your toys.
Supply/demand, desirability, etc. It's only worth to you what you're
willing to pay.

And Wayne, I can certainly relate! I feel the same about the KW-1,
bought mine in 1988 with a bunch of other stuff from an antique shop for
$350 and had maybe $50 in it at the time (didn't even know what it was
beyond a BIG transmitter). Wouldn't pay the going rate for one today, at
least not with my current income. Had offers over the years to sell it,
no way. It's too much fun to play with and work on.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ

Collins 30K List: http://amfone.net/Collins/30k.htm
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-17 Thread Todd, KA1KAQ
On 9/15/07, Ellen Rugowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But as I've been told numerous times in the past few months, the days of the
> cheapo "for the asking" old rigs seem to be going away.  Oh well.  Still,
> the 30K1 is a prewar rig, and they are rare (as Jack mentioned).  $3400 for
> a 500 Viking seems over the top.

Some folks are still stuck in the "I used to pay $5 for those, so they
aren't worth more" mode of thinking, despite everything else in the
world costing more. The good deals are as numerous as we are
resourceful. Convenience costs more.

It really depends what you want it for, and how you look at it
overall. For example, someone who wants to best, cleanest example for
display or bragging rights will likely pay more money than any 'user'
would. I always try to find rigs in good cosmetic shape paint-wise
simply because it's the part of restoration I'm not well versed in,
but I don't let a few flaws stop me from picking up an interesting rig
(if it's within my price range, of course). Zorched parts, missing
parts - generally not a problem.

The 30K was actually a post-war model, some say styled after the
pre-war 30J (one nice looking transmitter). In 1948 the selling price
for the later 30K-1 and 310A-1 exciter was $1450. If you run that
through an inflation calculator it comes out to $12647.39 in 2006
dollars. If you run $4000 backwards to 1948 dollars, it comes to
$458.59. Certainly not chump change back then, but roughly one third
of the 30K-1 selling price.

The KW-1 tracks the same: the $3850 price in 1952 would've cost
$28873.34 in 2006 dollars. Most KW-1s in nice shape the last decade
have sold between $20-$25K with a few highs and lows either side. Not
too far off, really. But clearly - if you'd bought a KW-1 new and
stored it away for 55 years, you'd get your money back but not much
more, so not a very good "investment".

The Johnson 500 price between 1956-63(not sure if it varied) lists as
$949.50 factory assembled. Even going with 1963 dollars to 2006, it
still comes out at $6114.65. You'd pay that much or more for some of
the latest plastic whizbang boxes. So it really comes down to what you
want, what you enjoy, and what you're comfortable paying for your
toys. Supply/demand, desirability, etc. It's only worth to you what
you're willing to pay.

And Wayne, I can certainly relate! I feel the same about the KW-1,
bought mine in 1988 with a bunch of other stuff from an antique shop
for $350 and had maybe $50 in it at the time (didn't even know what it
was beyond a BIG transmitter). Wouldn't pay the going rate for one
today, at least not with my current income. Had offers over the years
to sell it, no way. It's too much fun to play with and work on.

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ

Collins 30K List: http://amfone.net/Collins/30k.htm
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-15 Thread Brett gazdzinski
I had a 30K-1, SN9 and it was a good basic radio.
It needed some help making it sound its best and
run comfortably at 300 watts output, but was a good rig.
I paid $200.00 for it about 25 years ago and sold
it a few years ago for $2000.00 and a KWM2a.

I never had the matching exciter.

The 30K-1 has got to be one of the largest 300 watt
ham transmitters ever made

Brett
N2DTS

  

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> 
> I have two and one is for sale.
> 
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K
> 
> 
> > Hi Ellen,
> >
> > Well, in some folk's opinion a 30K is not worth $4K.  
> Actually, it may be 
> > worth much more than that.  I know of another one in 
> "5-land" that is 
> > being listed (with a 75A-1 receiver) for $12K!!!  It's like 
> everything 
> > elseit is what someone is willing to pay for it that 
> sets the value. 
> > Does that make them foolish?Maybe so, but if they have 
> the money and 
> > want it bad enough, they will pay the price.  Just like a 
> 1957 Chevy that 
> > once sold for $2500 may now be worth $30,000.
> >
> > The 30K series are very nice transmitters and Collins 
> didn't make very 
> > many of them,  so they have become quite "rare" and, consequently 
> > valuable.  The 30K-1 is the ham band version and it is the 
> rarest and 
> > therefore the most expensive.  Frankly, I think the 30K-4 
> and 30K-5 are 
> > nicer rigs and they are better looking.  They are 
> commercial versions and 
> > have built-in xtal controlled exciters and two complete RF 
> tank circuits 
> > for instantaneously switching between two bands.  They are 
> a bit more 
> > common than the 30K-1s, but still quite scarce.
> >
> > I have owned my 30K-4 for several years and I love it.  I was very 
> > fortunate to find it and I certainly didn't pay $4K for it, 
> but had to 
> > spend a bit of time and money to get it up and running.
> >
> > I really enjoy the old "St James Gray"  Collins gear.  Yes, 
> it generally 
> > is somewhat expensive, but it is classic equipment and was 
> the standard 
> > for quality in its day.  Collins gear is good stuff, but my 
> motive for 
> > owning it has always been the enjoyment of operating and 
> enjoying it on 
> > the air.not just setting it on the shelf or collecting  
> it as an 
> > investment.
> >
> > Just my two cents worth.
> >
> > 73,  Jack, W9GT
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread ronnie.hull
Eddy, in 1978 I bought one out of the trunk of a car at a sidewalk ham sale 
for $65

I used it for 5 years and sold it for $250

what a fool LOL

Ronnie

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:54:26 -0400, EP Swynar wrote
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I can recall seeing one for sale in the want ads of the very first 
> issue of ELECTRIC RADIO magazine here, going back some 17-plus years 
> ago...
> 
> "Asking price" was around $300.00 - $350.00...!
> 
> What hath time wrought...?! Hi Hi
> 
> ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
> 
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> 
> > I'm surprised it didn't go for more. Given the rarity and the fact that
> they
> > were going for that much 5 years ago.
> >
> > If I had the money I would pay that for a Johnson 500  thats the real
> > truth of the matter. Some of us can afford to pay big bucks and some of us
> > can't. Those that can will pay whatever it takes. Nothing ever changes!
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread EP Swynar
Hi Guys,

I can recall seeing one for sale in the want ads of the very first issue of
ELECTRIC RADIO magazine here, going back some 17-plus years ago...

"Asking price" was around $300.00 - $350.00...!

What hath time wrought...?! Hi Hi

~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ

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> I'm surprised it didn't go for more. Given the rarity and the fact that
they
> were going for that much 5 years ago.
>
> If I had the money I would pay that for a Johnson 500  thats the real
> truth of the matter. Some of us can afford to pay big bucks and some of us
> can't. Those that can will pay whatever it takes. Nothing ever changes!
>
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread zemanek
I paid more than that for one a few years ago on either this list or on a 
Collins list that had the Viking 500 along with Collins gear for sale from a 
ham.--I do not recall-  He had about 10 serious offers.  I had the first right 
to it--he was a real gentleman--I was in Afghanistan at the time and he gave 
preference to me. No pressure from him as it seemed very easy to sell at the 
time.   It was restored and I shipped it off to Howard Mills for final tweaking 
and to have some audio mods done.  Howard said thaey are rare and at times go 
for more than the desk kilowatt due to the scarcity of the 500 and that they 
are closer to legal limit AM then the desk.
73
Glenn Zemanek  kc2fzv


> I'm surprised it didn't go for more. Given the rarity and the fact that they 
> were going for that much 5 years ago. 
> 
> If I had the money I would pay that for a Johnson 500 thats the real 
> truth of the matter. Some of us can afford to pay big bucks and some of us 
> can't. Those that can will pay whatever it takes. Nothing ever changes! 
> 
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread ronnie.hull
I'm surprised it didn't go for more. Given the rarity and the fact that they 
were going for that much 5 years ago.

If I had the money I would pay that for a Johnson 500  thats the real 
truth of the matter. Some of us can afford to pay big bucks and some of us 
can't. Those that can will pay whatever it takes. Nothing ever changes!

W5SUM - Ronnie
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Peter Markavage
Not really. Every day seems to be a unique adventure and even more so
when there's a new software load. AM never sounded so good. And, each day
brings the question, "what's coming tomorrow". There isn't an AM rig over
my last 45 years that has provided me with so much fun. Even adjacent
channel interference is almost a thing of the past. But, if you're one
that needs to "put your hand on the radio:, this isn't the equipment for
you.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:43:07 -0400 "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> 
> 
> For ~$3000 you can get a rig that can be updated almost on a daily 
> basis,
> has no knobs to clean, has what seems like an endless number of
> personalized settings, and sounds great on AM and SSB. Now I just 
> have to
> push/pull/drag my big Johnson out of the way.
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa
> 
> ---
> 
> Yeah Pete, 
> But the thing is boring as hell ;>)
> Mod-U-Lator,
> Mike(y)
> W3SLK
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Peter Markavage
Thanks Ed for offering to store my Johnson.  Of course the same applies
to the Collins and CE equipment so maybe you better make room.
Ha
Pete, wa2cwa

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:58:52 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Hey Pete, 
>  
> If that big Johnson rig is getting in the way of your new stuff,  
> You could 
> push/pull/Drag it into the back of my truck, I'd be happy to "store" 
>  if for 
> you.  Think of all the table space you'd have OM... 
>  
> :) 
>  
> --Ed/KB1HYS 
> who's tounge is planted firmly in his cheek...
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-15 Thread Ellen Rugowski
Very true Wayne,

But as I've been told numerous times in the past few months, the days of the
cheapo "for the asking" old rigs seem to be going away.  Oh well.  Still,
the 30K1 is a prewar rig, and they are rare (as Jack mentioned).  $3400 for
a 500 Viking seems over the top.  Part of the higher prices could be Baby
Boomer nostalgia.  For Boomers, the rigs they remember seeing a lot of  when
they were new hams, were rigs of this nature.  They were what was lusted
for.  I mean no offense when I say this, BTW.  For me as a Gen Xer, it would
be stuff from the 70s & 80s.  I STILL regret getting rid of my Drake R4B &
T4XC  in late 1992, and I STILL wonder whatever posessed me to get rid of
the Drake TR7 I had, after only having it for a short time in 1993.   All 3
rigs are considered to be fantastic radios, that command high prices.  But,
back then they were just old gear to me.  I paid only $140 for the Johnson
Viking Ranger I briefly had back in 1995 (no thanks to living in an area
with Channel 2 TV [and marginal reception at that], I went QRT on AM at the
time).  Nowadays, you're doing good if you get one for $250 or $300.  Once
again, oh well.

73,
Ellen - AF9J

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> Well ,  My 2 cents.  I bought a pristine, unmodified 30K1 about 15 years
ago
> for $300. I take turns with it with other rigs using it from time to time.
I
> really like it.
> Now heres the kicker, I would not pay $4000 for it today, however I would
> not sell it for that amount! To much fun restoring old cheaper rigs and
> building, hi, hi.
>
> 73
> Wayne, N0TE
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread EdwMullin

Hey Pete, 
 
If that big Johnson rig is getting in the way of your new stuff,  You could 
push/pull/Drag it into the back of my truck, I'd be happy to "store"  if for 
you.  Think of all the table space you'd have OM... 
 
:) 
 
--Ed/KB1HYS 
who's tounge is planted firmly in his cheek...
 
>In a message dated 9/15/2007 12:01:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>For ~$3000 you can get a rig that can be  updated almost on a daily basis,
>has no knobs to clean, has what seems  like an endless number of
>personalized settings, and sounds great on AM  and SSB. Now I just have to
>push/pull/drag my big Johnson out of the  way.
>
>Pete, wa2cwa
>
>On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:24:40  -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> 
>> If I had it to spare,  'd feel better spending $3000 - $4000 on the 
>> Viking 500 or the  Collins rig than the same amount for a modern 
>  >super-transceiver.
>> 
> >Steve WD8DAS
>>  
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-15 Thread Sara & Wayne Steiner
Well ,  My 2 cents.  I bought a pristine, unmodified 30K1 about 15 years ago
for $300. I take turns with it with other rigs using it from time to time. I
really like it.
Now heres the kicker, I would not pay $4000 for it today, however I would
not sell it for that amount! To much fun restoring old cheaper rigs and
building, hi, hi.

73
Wayne, N0TE



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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Bry Carling
ePay is ePay always will be.
The e-mailing lists are a far better place to buy and sell if you 
are more patient.

I sold a nice Johnston 500 transmitter on the lists about 2 or 3
years ago for $850.00 so $1.5K seems high and anything above 
that is way more than you should have to pay even for an 
excellent one. Your smileage may vary.
 
> Good Morning to the AM'rs & SWLs,
> 
> I'll take a stab at the topic, the value of this Johnson 500 on epay.
> Transmitters and receivers are a touchy feely thing with me. I like to
> handle the merchandise. So, epay isn't where I'd purchase any transmitter or
> receiver. On the other hand, watching junkson "500s" on the auction place
> for the last 4 years, the $3K range seems to be just about right for a
> complete working 500. 
> 
> Yes, some have gone for $1.5K or so but all the big pieces were not included
> and or it was clear the 500 in question wasn't working. In the end, buyer
> and the seller determine the selling price.
> 
> A Johnson 500 is my Studio A transmitter, purchased in the fall of 2004 for
> less than half of the 500's price just sold on epay. Most of the big pieces
> were there, it didn't work or had been on the air in maybe 15 years or so.
> The swinging choke in the PS/Mod had been replaced with a piece of junk
> choke, mod tranny had lots of talkback, needed recapped, missing the three
> interconnecting cables, no key. As added value, some CB mods were included
> in the keying circuit?? A couple AC relays in the PS to replace DC
> relays, of course this didn't work because the relays function on DC voltage
> from the bias supply. You get the picture!
> 
> After two months of work, day & night, it finally made some RF. Retirement
> let me spend this amount of time on the transmitter. If I were to sell it
> today at $3K, good chance I'd lose money, not even considering my labor. 
> 
> EF Johnson only made 865 of these transmitters, I'm happy with mine. 
> 
> 73's
> wd8kdg
> Craig
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Craig C. Heaton


Good Morning to the AM'rs & SWLs,

I'll take a stab at the topic, the value of this Johnson 500 on epay.
Transmitters and receivers are a touchy feely thing with me. I like to
handle the merchandise. So, epay isn't where I'd purchase any transmitter or
receiver. On the other hand, watching junkson "500s" on the auction place
for the last 4 years, the $3K range seems to be just about right for a
complete working 500. 

Yes, some have gone for $1.5K or so but all the big pieces were not included
and or it was clear the 500 in question wasn't working. In the end, buyer
and the seller determine the selling price.

A Johnson 500 is my Studio A transmitter, purchased in the fall of 2004 for
less than half of the 500's price just sold on epay. Most of the big pieces
were there, it didn't work or had been on the air in maybe 15 years or so.
The swinging choke in the PS/Mod had been replaced with a piece of junk
choke, mod tranny had lots of talkback, needed recapped, missing the three
interconnecting cables, no key. As added value, some CB mods were included
in the keying circuit?? A couple AC relays in the PS to replace DC
relays, of course this didn't work because the relays function on DC voltage
from the bias supply. You get the picture!

After two months of work, day & night, it finally made some RF. Retirement
let me spend this amount of time on the transmitter. If I were to sell it
today at $3K, good chance I'd lose money, not even considering my labor. 

EF Johnson only made 865 of these transmitters, I'm happy with mine. 

73's
wd8kdg
Craig

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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-15 Thread david knepper

I have two and one is for sale.


Dave, W3ST - W3CRA
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Hi Ellen,

Well, in some folk's opinion a 30K is not worth $4K.  Actually, it may be 
worth much more than that.  I know of another one in "5-land" that is 
being listed (with a 75A-1 receiver) for $12K!!!  It's like everything 
elseit is what someone is willing to pay for it that sets the value. 
Does that make them foolish?Maybe so, but if they have the money and 
want it bad enough, they will pay the price.  Just like a 1957 Chevy that 
once sold for $2500 may now be worth $30,000.


The 30K series are very nice transmitters and Collins didn't make very 
many of them,  so they have become quite "rare" and, consequently 
valuable.  The 30K-1 is the ham band version and it is the rarest and 
therefore the most expensive.  Frankly, I think the 30K-4 and 30K-5 are 
nicer rigs and they are better looking.  They are commercial versions and 
have built-in xtal controlled exciters and two complete RF tank circuits 
for instantaneously switching between two bands.  They are a bit more 
common than the 30K-1s, but still quite scarce.


I have owned my 30K-4 for several years and I love it.  I was very 
fortunate to find it and I certainly didn't pay $4K for it, but had to 
spend a bit of time and money to get it up and running.


I really enjoy the old "St James Gray"  Collins gear.  Yes, it generally 
is somewhat expensive, but it is classic equipment and was the standard 
for quality in its day.  Collins gear is good stuff, but my motive for 
owning it has always been the enjoyment of operating and enjoying it on 
the air.not just setting it on the shelf or collecting  it as an 
investment.


Just my two cents worth.

73,  Jack, W9GT




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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Anthony W. DePrato


now that i have gotten back up off the floor... that is way out of 
line.good radio but not that good.. hu ill let my valiants 
go for 1/10 of that price. guess i should spend an hour on some big 
write up and put them on the bay hi...


73 Tony



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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500 / Collins 30K

2007-09-15 Thread w9gt
Hi Ellen,

Well, in some folk's opinion a 30K is not worth $4K.  Actually, it may be worth 
much more than that.  I know of another one in "5-land" that is being listed 
(with a 75A-1 receiver) for $12K!!!  It's like everything elseit is what 
someone is willing to pay for it that sets the value.  Does that make them 
foolish?Maybe so, but if they have the money and want it bad enough, they 
will pay the price.  Just like a 1957 Chevy that once sold for $2500 may now be 
worth $30,000.

The 30K series are very nice transmitters and Collins didn't make very many of 
them,  so they have become quite "rare" and, consequently valuable.  The 30K-1 
is the ham band version and it is the rarest and therefore the most expensive.  
Frankly, I think the 30K-4 and 30K-5 are nicer rigs and they are better 
looking.  They are commercial versions and have built-in xtal controlled 
exciters and two complete RF tank circuits for instantaneously switching 
between two bands.  They are a bit more common than the 30K-1s, but still quite 
scarce.

I have owned my 30K-4 for several years and I love it.  I was very fortunate to 
find it and I certainly didn't pay $4K for it, but had to spend a bit of time 
and money to get it up and running.  

I really enjoy the old "St James Gray"  Collins gear.  Yes, it generally is 
somewhat expensive, but it is classic equipment and was the standard for 
quality in its day.  Collins gear is good stuff, but my motive for owning it 
has always been the enjoyment of operating and enjoying it on the air.not 
just setting it on the shelf or collecting  it as an investment. 

 Just my two cents worth.

73,  Jack, W9GT

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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Mike Sawyer


For ~$3000 you can get a rig that can be updated almost on a daily basis,
has no knobs to clean, has what seems like an endless number of
personalized settings, and sounds great on AM and SSB. Now I just have to
push/pull/drag my big Johnson out of the way.

Pete, wa2cwa

---

Yeah Pete, 
But the thing is boring as hell ;>)
Mod-U-Lator,
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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

uvcm inc. wrote:
Had it sold it, 
Sold my KW1 for $20,000 cash what a over priced joke


 Look at my site see some of the other rigs www.bta5f.org
brad
  


I was gonna say... I knew of some KW-1's that went -mighty- expensive.  
I guess, to some, that is still the 'dream rig', and to be honest, the 
KW-1 didn't sound half as good as everyone tried to make 'em out to be.  
The audio is so restrictive, is sounds like you're using a narrow-mode 
telephone line.


Ed/WA3PUN had one (What ever happened to Uncle Ed?)
Darrell/WA5VGO and Mike/(then)W5FZ and Lee/W0VT each had one, with 
Darrell and Mike coming to San Antonio and getting the KW-1 Prototype, 
completed re-building it, and put it on the air.  I believe one of them 
also had Serial Number: 1 amongst them, as well.


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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-15 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

Ellen Rugowski wrote:

Well, you could always get this

http://cgi.ebay.com/Collin-Radio-Transmitter_W0QQitemZ270165883392QQihZ017QQcategoryZ4675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Collins 30-K1 for $4,000?

Some phool will buy it, just because it says 'Collins' on it

(good catch, btw, on the misspelled 'Collin' transmitter ;-)


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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread Peter Markavage
For ~$3000 you can get a rig that can be updated almost on a daily basis,
has no knobs to clean, has what seems like an endless number of
personalized settings, and sounds great on AM and SSB. Now I just have to
push/pull/drag my big Johnson out of the way.

Pete, wa2cwa
 
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:24:40 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> If I had it to spare, 'd feel better spending $3000 - $4000 on the 
> Viking 500 or the Collins rig than the same amount for a modern 
> super-transceiver.
> 
> Steve WD8DAS
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread uvcm inc.
I would like to find a spare RF deck
N7RCA

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If I had it to spare, 'd feel better spending $3000 - $4000 on the 
Viking 500 or the Collins rig than the same amount for a modern 
super-transceiver.

Steve WD8DAS

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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread sbjohnston


If I had it to spare, 'd feel better spending $3000 - $4000 on the 
Viking 500 or the Collins rig than the same amount for a modern 
super-transceiver.


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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread Ellen Rugowski
Oh Myyy!

Ellen - AF9J

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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:47 PM
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> Had it sold it,
> Sold my KW1 for $20,000 cash what a over priced joke
>
>  Look at my site see some of the other rigs www.bta5f.org
> brad
>
> N7RCA
> Kb7fqr
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:43 PM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500
>
> Well, you could always get this
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Collin-Radio-Transmitter_W0QQitemZ270165883392QQihZ017QQ
> categoryZ4675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Ellen - AF9J
> Too broke for that kind of stuff
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "uvcm inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500
>
>
> > I have had mine for 31 years paid $325.00 use it all the time love it
> > Brad
> > N7RCA
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 PM
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> >
> > Yeah, that's brutal!  I told Rodger, WQ8E to hang onto his Viking 500!
I
> > just about had a heart attack, when I saw that price!
> >
> > 73,
> > Ellen - AF9J
> >
> > - Original Message - 
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> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:28 PM
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> >
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> > > I hope this wasn't one of -our- gang that bought this...
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> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160154396963&ssPageN
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread uvcm inc.
Had it sold it, 
Sold my KW1 for $20,000 cash what a over priced joke

 Look at my site see some of the other rigs www.bta5f.org
brad

N7RCA
Kb7fqr

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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

Well, you could always get this

http://cgi.ebay.com/Collin-Radio-Transmitter_W0QQitemZ270165883392QQihZ017QQ
categoryZ4675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ellen - AF9J
Too broke for that kind of stuff

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From: "uvcm inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"

Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500


> I have had mine for 31 years paid $325.00 use it all the time love it
> Brad
> N7RCA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Rugowski
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 PM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?
>
> Yeah, that's brutal!  I told Rodger, WQ8E to hang onto his Viking 500!  I
> just about had a heart attack, when I saw that price!
>
> 73,
> Ellen - AF9J
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:28 PM
> Subject: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?
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> > I hope this wasn't one of -our- gang that bought this...
> >
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>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160154396963&ssPageN
> ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread uvcm inc.
I will die with it
brad

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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

Hang on to it, Brad, they are becoming mighty scarce!

73,
Rick/K5IAR


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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread Rick Brashear
Hang on to it, Brad, they are becoming mighty scarce!

73,
Rick/K5IAR


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Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread Ellen Rugowski
Well, you could always get this

http://cgi.ebay.com/Collin-Radio-Transmitter_W0QQitemZ270165883392QQihZ017QQcategoryZ4675QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ellen - AF9J
Too broke for that kind of stuff

- Original Message - 
From: "uvcm inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"

Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500


> I have had mine for 31 years paid $325.00 use it all the time love it
> Brad
> N7RCA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Rugowski
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 PM
> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?
>
> Yeah, that's brutal!  I told Rodger, WQ8E to hang onto his Viking 500!  I
> just about had a heart attack, when I saw that price!
>
> 73,
> Ellen - AF9J
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:28 PM
> Subject: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?
>
>
> > I hope this wasn't one of -our- gang that bought this...
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160154396963&ssPageN
> ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006
> >
> > -- 
> > Driving your AM Rig without a scope,
> > is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV)
> >
> > --
> > 73 = Best Regards,
> > -Geoff/W5OMR
> >
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RE: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It? Johnson 500

2007-09-14 Thread uvcm inc.
I have had mine for 31 years paid $325.00 use it all the time love it
Brad
N7RCA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Rugowski
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:19 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?

Yeah, that's brutal!  I told Rodger, WQ8E to hang onto his Viking 500!  I
just about had a heart attack, when I saw that price!

73,
Ellen - AF9J

- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"

Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Can You Believe It?


> I hope this wasn't one of -our- gang that bought this...
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160154396963&ssPageN
ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006
>
> -- 
> Driving your AM Rig without a scope,
> is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV)
>
> --
> 73 = Best Regards,
> -Geoff/W5OMR
>
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