Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
NPR hahahahaha WW4Q -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Gazdzinski Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:22 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation What a wacko thing to say. Bush was the guy who started listening to everyone's phone calls... No one I know listens to radio much, I listen to NPR for news, and xpn for music from time to time, everyone else uses XM or the ipod. Really old farts still listen to AM broadcast, the god station on rush the Nazi... Brett - Original Message - From: BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation The FCC Chairman just came out saying he sees broadband for all as being the future and broadcasting as somewhere down the list probably on the order of the Town Crier. This is I'm sure part of Obama bin Biden's plan to impliment Big Brother. Orwell was just a bit off on his date. Bill AD5OL From: Dominador Sagun dsa...@teltronics.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 10:54:05 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation After thinking about it, AM radio is a part of my life. I listen to WFLA, WGUL, WLSSon my commute to and from work. Long Live AM 75 meter phone. WW4Q Dominador Sagun Manufacturing Engineer Teltronics, Inc. - Ideas that Communicate 2150 Whitfield Industrial Way Sarasota, Fl 34243 (ph) 941-753-5000 x7241 www.teltronics.com -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Doran Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:54 AM To: kf5...@arrl.net; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation yep, I listen to AM more that watching TV, by at least three times, likewise when driving. Bernie - Original Message - From: Brian Zwiener bzwie...@sbcglobal.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation I wonder where you got that information. Plenty of people listen to AM/FM commercial AND LPFM. Even low power analog TV. If this will impact HAM Radio, I can promise you there will be a war that will be all over the news media and Internet. And I really hope this does not start another never ending thread:) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, D. Chester k4...@charter.net wrote: From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:33 PM What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
Long Live AM! God Save AM! Where would I be now if it were not for Late Night Art Bell! Barry Sherwood KF5GC --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Dominador Sagun dsa...@teltronics.com wrote: From: Dominador Sagun dsa...@teltronics.com Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: Brett Gazdzinski brett.gazdzin...@verizon.net, Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:44 AM NPR hahahahaha WW4Q -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Gazdzinski Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:22 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation What a wacko thing to say. Bush was the guy who started listening to everyone's phone calls... No one I know listens to radio much, I listen to NPR for news, and xpn for music from time to time, everyone else uses XM or the ipod. Really old farts still listen to AM broadcast, the god station on rush the Nazi... Brett __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
Yep it is like taking away candy from a kid. People are addicted to talk radio. You can only listen to the same song for so long before brain rot sets in. LOL Barry Sherwood KF5GC --- On Sat, 3/20/10, BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net, Brett Gazdzinski brett.gazdzin...@verizon.net Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:42 AM You wouldn't believe the calls that we get when we have to take one of our AM's off the air after midnight for maintenance and people can't hear Art Bell or his replacement George Noory. Bill AD5OL From: Barry Sherwood barry_sherw...@yahoo.com To: Brett Gazdzinski brett.gazdzin...@verizon.net; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 9:16:46 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation Long Live AM! God Save AM! Where would I be now if it were not for Late Night Art Bell! Barry Sherwood KF5GC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
yep, I listen to AM more that watching TV, by at least three times, likewise when driving. Bernie - Original Message - From: Brian Zwiener bzwie...@sbcglobal.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation I wonder where you got that information. Plenty of people listen to AM/FM commercial AND LPFM. Even low power analog TV. If this will impact HAM Radio, I can promise you there will be a war that will be all over the news media and Internet. And I really hope this does not start another never ending thread:) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, D. Chester k4...@charter.net wrote: From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:33 PM What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. Commercial broadcast listening is a shallow decline, non-commercial public radio is in a shallow climb. FM has more listeners than AM, but AM is still a contender. In most markets at least one AM is in the top few stations in the ratings. Broadcasting isn't as cool as it once was, and that a long-term problem, but many people *are* listening to radio. But the same is true for ham radio - to a far greater degree unfortunately. It is not considered cool by the general population - but there are quite a few participants. And if noise proves a strong limit to the ability to receive in either case, it will help drive people away. I've have three responses to my noise item in QST's Technical Correspondence column from inactive hams that said they tried to get on the air recently but the noise level on receive was just too high and they put the gear away again. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, Mar 18, 2010 10:33 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
After thinking about it, AM radio is a part of my life. I listen to WFLA, WGUL, WLSSon my commute to and from work. Long Live AM 75 meter phone. WW4Q Dominador Sagun Manufacturing Engineer Teltronics, Inc. - Ideas that Communicate 2150 Whitfield Industrial Way Sarasota, Fl 34243 (ph) 941-753-5000 x7241 www.teltronics.com -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Doran Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:54 AM To: kf5...@arrl.net; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation yep, I listen to AM more that watching TV, by at least three times, likewise when driving. Bernie - Original Message - From: Brian Zwiener bzwie...@sbcglobal.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation I wonder where you got that information. Plenty of people listen to AM/FM commercial AND LPFM. Even low power analog TV. If this will impact HAM Radio, I can promise you there will be a war that will be all over the news media and Internet. And I really hope this does not start another never ending thread:) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, D. Chester k4...@charter.net wrote: From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:33 PM What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
The FCC Chairman just came out saying he sees broadband for all as being the future and broadcasting as somewhere down the list probably on the order of the Town Crier. This is I'm sure part of Obama bin Biden's plan to impliment Big Brother. Orwell was just a bit off on his date. Bill AD5OL From: Dominador Sagun dsa...@teltronics.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 10:54:05 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation After thinking about it, AM radio is a part of my life. I listen to WFLA, WGUL, WLSSon my commute to and from work. Long Live AM 75 meter phone. WW4Q Dominador Sagun Manufacturing Engineer Teltronics, Inc. - Ideas that Communicate 2150 Whitfield Industrial Way Sarasota, Fl 34243 (ph) 941-753-5000 x7241 www.teltronics.com -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Doran Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:54 AM To: kf5...@arrl.net; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation yep, I listen to AM more that watching TV, by at least three times, likewise when driving. Bernie - Original Message - From: Brian Zwiener bzwie...@sbcglobal.net To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation I wonder where you got that information. Plenty of people listen to AM/FM commercial AND LPFM. Even low power analog TV. If this will impact HAM Radio, I can promise you there will be a war that will be all over the news media and Internet. And I really hope this does not start another never ending thread:) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, D. Chester k4...@charter.net wrote: From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:33 PM What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The FCC Chairman just came out saying he sees broadband for all as being the future and broadcasting as somewhere down the list probably on the order of the Town Crier. Your interpretation obviously, but okay, whatever. This is I'm sure part of Obama bin Biden's plan to impliment Big Brother. Orwell was just a bit off on his date. The President, _our_ President (whether you like it or believe it, or not) does not micromanage the FCC but more important, these fantastic conclusions don't belong in a forum about ham AM--save it for some political fever swamp where the echo chamber is alive and well. Be sure to use a spell checker too. 73 Rob K5UJ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Thanks Robb, I would like to see 0 Political, and Religious commentary in my life. I have my opinions and would just as soon that others keep theirs to themselves. Its just opinion and no more no matter what your parents preached to you. I look at Amfone every day and every now and then I see a little bit of Political or Religious wisdom tacked onto the end of the message and wonder if he or she took their medication today. I get enough Politics watching the evening news and living here in the bible belt way to much religion in my day to day interaction with my neighbors. 73, John K6HSG - Original Message - From: Rob Atkinson ranchoro...@gmail.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The FCC Chairman just came out saying he sees broadband for all as being the future and broadcasting as somewhere down the list probably on the order of the Town Crier. Your interpretation obviously, but okay, whatever. This is I'm sure part of Obama bin Biden's plan to impliment Big Brother. Orwell was just a bit off on his date. The President, _our_ President (whether you like it or believe it, or not) does not micromanage the FCC but more important, these fantastic conclusions don't belong in a forum about ham AM--save it for some political fever swamp where the echo chamber is alive and well. Be sure to use a spell checker too. 73 Rob K5UJ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2756 - Release Date: 03/19/10 07:33:00 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation EVERYONE READ
Before we get carried away with this topic let's stop right now. Life does not come with a guarantee so you can read what you will into any message. John, there will be references to things every so often that you may not like nor approve. The great number of posts here are fine and, with any topic will deviate a bit. You are not required to read every post, but I do and if I have an issue I will say so. I suppose the current political situation is feeding the frenzy, but as long as the posts are not overtly bias or improper we choose to let them go. That is the case here. 73 Jim/W5JO Moderator - Original Message - Thanks Robb, I would like to see 0 Political, and Religious commentary in my life. I have my opinions and would just as soon that others keep theirs to themselves. Its just opinion and no more no matter what your parents preached to you. I look at Amfone every day and every now and then I see a little bit of Political or Religious wisdom tacked onto the end of the message and wonder if he or she took their medication today. I get enough Politics watching the evening news and living here in the bible belt way to much religion in my day to day interaction with my neighbors. 73, John K6HSG - Original Message - From: Rob Atkinson ranchoro...@gmail.com To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:34 PM, BILL GUYGER bguy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The FCC Chairman just came out saying he sees broadband for all as being the future and broadcasting as somewhere down the list probably on the order of the Town Crier. Your interpretation obviously, but okay, whatever. This is I'm sure part of Obama bin Biden's plan to impliment Big Brother. Orwell was just a bit off on his date. The President, _our_ President (whether you like it or believe it, or not) does not micromanage the FCC but more important, these fantastic conclusions don't belong in a forum about ham AM--save it for some political fever swamp where the echo chamber is alive and well. Be sure to use a spell checker too. 73 Rob K5UJ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
What, you want big government? What are you, some sort of democrat? Brett - Original Message - From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
Okay this is enough. What the hell is going on here of late?? Get back on AM discussion, that means Amateur Radio and operating AM. I think one moderator has already sent a warning out, seeing that things were starting to get out of hand. If this crap continues with any of you, I/we will bump you off, and if that don't work, I'll shut the whole damned thing for good! I'm done with it. Get back on track with this list folks. w5ami admin AMRadio On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Brett Gazdzinski brett.gazdzin...@verizon.net wrote: What a wacko thing to say. Bush was the guy who started listening to everyone's phone calls... No one I know listens to radio much, I listen to NPR for news, and xpn for music from time to time, everyone else uses XM or the ipod. Really old farts still listen to AM broadcast, the god station on rush the Nazi... Brett __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation
I wonder where you got that information. Plenty of people listen to AM/FM commercial AND LPFM. Even low power analog TV. If this will impact HAM Radio, I can promise you there will be a war that will be all over the news media and Internet. And I really hope this does not start another never ending thread:) --- On Thu, 3/18/10, D. Chester k4...@charter.net wrote: From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:33 PM What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett But still, these are all licensed services, and the FCC is mandated by congress to protect licensed users from unlicensed interference. The law is the law. Somebody is not doing their job as this is allowed to continue proliferating. The state is legally obligated to properly install its traffic signals so that they don't generate interference. The FCC inspectors are legally obligated to check out interference from poorly designed consumer crap. As much money as the government wastes on trivial stuff, enforcing Part 15 would be a drop in the ocean as far as their budget goes. Listen to a stronger station doesn't cut it. Evidently, someone in officialdom thinks HF is still worth protecting. Remember, they denied us a real 60m ham band because after 11SE01, the feds decided that frequencies in that vicinity were essential for national security. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY)
Not to detract from Steve's point, because I agree that RFI from unintentional radiators is a major problem for hams, especially those who enjoy full-range AM audio on HF. But it's important to understand how the FCC approaches the wide range of Part 15 issues - here are a couple of good resources: FCC: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/procedures.html#sec1 ARRL: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/part15.html#Myths An A2LA-certified RF test lab: www.radiomet.com/documents/FCC_Guide.pdf Once you're familiar with the terminology used to characterize unlicensed devices, I think most will agree that our problems stem primarily from both Class A (intended for commercial, industrial, and business use) and B (residential) Unintentional Radiators. This can involve both Conducted (interference that is carried along power lines and other conductors to other devices, i.e. our receivers) and Radiated emissions (what Steve measured with his spectrum analyzer). The vast majority of such devices are subject to Verification, which is the lowest level of compliance. Manufacturers are on the honor system to do the appropriate testing and label the product accordingly. Even when manufacturers make a good faith effort to comply with Part 15 Verification requirements, the real world implementation may not reflect what was seen in the laboratory. Take for example the noisy LED traffic light that Steve posted about some time ago. Suppose the manufacturer recommended that shielded cable be used between the switchmode controller and the lights to mitigate radiated RFI, but the installers just re-used the unshielded wires that were used for the old incandescent systems. Instant antenna! As hams, we know the length of the wires and whether they're run inside a metal pole or along the side of a wooden one will make a big difference also. Just a made-up example to show that the problem may often not be as simple as going back on the manufacturer of one of the devices in question. Still, the intent of Part 15 is to protect licensed users from interference from unlicensed devices, and the best option we have to enforce current regulations (or potentially get better ones) is to continue to elevate our concerns to the FCC and those who oversee the agency. 73, Bob W9RAN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY)
Still, the intent of Part 15 is to protect licensed users from interference from unlicensed devices, and the best option we have to enforce current regulations (or potentially get better ones) is to continue to elevate our concerns to the FCC and those who oversee the agency. 73, Bob W9RAN Excellent advise, Bob. Part 15 needs to get current with the times. As more consumers replace their household appliances with models that incorporate RFI/EMI emitting technology, the problem will only become worse. The certification section was last re-written at time when nearly all of our major household appliances did not contain SMPS and microprocessors. Today, household appliances are exempt from Part 15 certification and problems associated with these unintentional radiators are dealt with after they generate interference to licensed services. The FCC could help itself in this matter with a rule change that includes appliances in the certification requirement. A bit of time spent on a rule change would pay great dividends in reducing their time spent on the enforcement effort. Paul, W9AC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY)
I'll bet there is _a lot_ of money in the hands of industry lobbyists who badly want that rule to not change. rob K5UJ On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net wrote: Still, the intent of Part 15 is to protect licensed users from interference from unlicensed devices, and the best option we have to enforce current regulations (or potentially get better ones) is to continue to elevate our concerns to the FCC and those who oversee the agency. 73, Bob W9RAN Excellent advise, Bob. Part 15 needs to get current with the times. As more consumers replace their household appliances with models that incorporate RFI/EMI emitting technology, the problem will only become worse. The certification section was last re-written at time when nearly all of our major household appliances did not contain SMPS and microprocessors. Today, household appliances are exempt from Part 15 certification and problems associated with these unintentional radiators are dealt with after they generate interference to licensed services. The FCC could help itself in this matter with a rule change that includes appliances in the certification requirement. A bit of time spent on a rule change would pay great dividends in reducing their time spent on the enforcement effort. Paul, W9AC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY)
What is to interfere with? All radio stuff is going 900 MHz or higher, cable satellite or fiber feed, spread spectrum, phasing noise and interference null, etc. No one listens to AM anymore, or even FM much. You think anyone is going to worry about ham radio? I don't think so... Brett - Original Message - From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net To: w9...@oneradio.net; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FCC Non-cooperation (was ILLEGAL STUFF ON E BAY) Still, the intent of Part 15 is to protect licensed users from interference from unlicensed devices, and the best option we have to enforce current regulations (or potentially get better ones) is to continue to elevate our concerns to the FCC and those who oversee the agency. 73, Bob W9RAN Excellent advise, Bob. Part 15 needs to get current with the times. As more consumers replace their household appliances with models that incorporate RFI/EMI emitting technology, the problem will only become worse. The certification section was last re-written at time when nearly all of our major household appliances did not contain SMPS and microprocessors. Today, household appliances are exempt from Part 15 certification and problems associated with these unintentional radiators are dealt with after they generate interference to licensed services. The FCC could help itself in this matter with a rule change that includes appliances in the certification requirement. A bit of time spent on a rule change would pay great dividends in reducing their time spent on the enforcement effort. Paul, W9AC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
