RE: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
This is a child speaking, if we use that attitude we should, junk all classic cars, throw out all classic paintings, an send all the sick people away, BECAUSE THEY ARE INFERIOR What ignorant thinking. Brad N7RCA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JACK C. SHUTT Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:57 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan Note: "nothing will happen on January 1 that will affect your use of AM." Of course, the "enlightened" would not use such an inferior mode. It is this attitude that seems to prevail, even with intelligent and reasoned input submitted to them by our ranks. 73, Jack, W9GT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ARRL President wrote: >I hope this has reassured you that nothing will >happen on January 1 that will in any way affect your use of AM. There, there, little ones, no need to worry your little heads over the scary old bandplan. It won't get you... How disrespectful. We offer reasoned arguments and they respond like we are frightened children. I'm going to have to start wearing a neck-brace from shaking my head -sadly, resignedly- each time I read the ARRL responses. Sigh. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Even if it was enacted as law, that statement could still be true. We'd still be allowed to use AM, just not as we enjoy using it. Not unlike restricting CW speed to 5 WPM, but still allowing its use. 'You can still use CW, just not any faster than 5 WPM'. That's what concerns me about trusting the ARRL's judgment. It would be a lot different if they had stood up and fought for AM over the years, merely through equal time and treatment given to other modes. Their assertions would have at least some credibility then. Their neglect and overt actions to the contrary are completely responsible for the current apprehension and distrust. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ On Nov 14, 2007 11:56 AM, JACK C. SHUTT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note: "nothing will happen on January 1 that will affect your use of AM." > Of course, the "enlightened" would not use such an inferior mode. It is this > attitude that seems to prevail, even with intelligent and reasoned input > submitted to them by our ranks. > > 73, Jack, W9GT > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The ARRL President wrote: > > >I hope this has reassured you that nothing will > >happen on January 1 that will in any way affect your use of AM. > > There, there, little ones, no need to worry your little heads over the scary > old bandplan. It won't get you... > > How disrespectful. We offer reasoned arguments and they respond like we are > frightened children. I'm going to have to start wearing a neck-brace from > shaking my head -sadly, resignedly- each time I read the ARRL responses. Sigh. > > Steve WD8DAS > > > > > ** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Note: "nothing will happen on January 1 that will affect your use of AM." Of course, the "enlightened" would not use such an inferior mode. It is this attitude that seems to prevail, even with intelligent and reasoned input submitted to them by our ranks. 73, Jack, W9GT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ARRL President wrote: >I hope this has reassured you that nothing will >happen on January 1 that will in any way affect your use of AM. There, there, little ones, no need to worry your little heads over the scary old bandplan. It won't get you... How disrespectful. We offer reasoned arguments and they respond like we are frightened children. I'm going to have to start wearing a neck-brace from shaking my head -sadly, resignedly- each time I read the ARRL responses. Sigh. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Thank you sir. Join us in pushing the ARRL for full disclosure. The dark house needs the sunlight of truth. All the Best Ron Weaver W6OM www.qsl.net/w6om -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose HF Silva Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:35 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan Hello, Si Señor ! *** MY HAT OFF *** 73 Joe / ct1axg --- W6OM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Letter below is from the ARRL President Joel > Harrison W5ZN in response to my > letter below his. Almost amusing transparent > rhetorical response to my > letter and still acceptance to go live with a > webinar to explain themselves, > not the IARU. > > > > Enjoy the read, this is only the opening round of > what plan to make a > significant even until accept my offer. > > > > All the Best > > > > Ron Weaver W6OM > > > > www.qsl.net/w6om > > > > From: Joel Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:38 PM > To: 'W6OM' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: IARU Band Plan > > > > Ron, > > Thank you for letting me know of your concerns with > regard to the band plan > adopted recently by the member-societies of IARU > Region 2. You sent your > message to a number of individuals; because the ARRL > is the representative > organization in the IARU for radio amateurs of the > United States, I am > replying on their behalf. > > IARU regional band plans have been in existence for > many years. They are > developed, reviewed and approved at regional > conferences of the IARU > member-societies. The band plans provide voluntary > guidelines that are > intended to assist amateurs in making the most > effective use of our limited > frequency allocations. They are not restrictions and > carry no regulatory > authority. On behalf of the ARRL, I can assure you > that there are no plans > to propose incorporating any IARU band plan into the > FCC rules. One virtue > of voluntary band plans is that they are more > flexible and can be amended > more easily than the FCC rules; writing them into > the rules would be > counterproductive. > > The new IARU Region 2 band plan was developed by > delegates to the Region 2 > Conference from a number of countries. It does not > align in every respect > either with the FCC rules or with operating patterns > followed by US > amateurs. Unlike the United States, most countries > do not have regulations > setting out subbands for different types of > emission. Even in the US the FCC > rules do not provide much detail with regard to > frequency use. As FCC > amateur licensees we are obliged to cooperate with > one another in selecting > transmitting channels and making the most effective > use of amateur service > frequencies, and to follow good engineering and good > amateur practice. > > Your message objects to the Region 2 band plan for > "suggesting limits that > are more severe than regulations from the > governments in the region." > However, the band plan does not contain "limits." As > voluntary guidelines > the band plan cannot by definition be "more severe" > than regulations. And > finally, if the band plan did not suggest an > operating pattern that is a > subset of the regulations it would serve no purpose. > > Your message refers to IARU President Larry Price as > wishing "to discourage > footnotes among the various regional plans he > oversees." First, the IARU > President does not "oversee" regional band plans. > Each regional plan is > developed by the member-societies of that region, in > accordance with the > constitution, bylaws and rules of the regional > organization. The regional > organizations are autonomous entities and do not > answer to the IARU > President. Second, Mr. Price's observation with > regard to footnotes had > nothing whatsoever to do with IARU band plans. > Footnotes are not by their > nature either good or bad; it depends on what they > say. Mr. Price's > observation had to do specifically with footnotes in > the ITU Table of > Frequency Allocations that prohibit amateur > operation, or authorize sharing > by additional services, in certain countries in > certain parts of the bands > that are allocated in the ITU Table to the amateur > service. One of the goals > of the IARU is to minimize such footnotes. On the > other hand, there are > other footnotes to the ITU Table that are extremely > beneficial to Amateur > Radio, such as t
RE: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
As I said, until they agree to come forward and openly discuss their activities concerning this issue I will not relent. The subterfuge and rhetoric is all the understand. The members deserves clear open answers. All the Best Ron Weaver W6OM www.qsl.net/w6om -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:42 PM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan The ARRL President writes: > On behalf of the ARRL, I can assure you > that there are no plans > to propose incorporating any IARU band plan into the > FCC rules. So they voted in favor of it in committee but have no intention of following its provisions? The first and foremost of which is that the Member Societies are to seek to put the bandplan into regulatory form with the respective government authorities! Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Have anyone ever seen or tried to communicate with N6AA. Looks like he slept in the bushes last night, shows up disheveled, looks like he ironed his clothes with a rock and rambles on about the wonders of the ARRL. Not the kind of person who inspires respect. Where do they find these misfits... All the Best Ron Weaver W6OM www.qsl.net/w6om -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:29 PM To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan The ARRL President writes: > I encourage you to communicate with the > Division Director in your ARRL Division. We certainly saw how effective that was in the Central Division! It was all edumacational for us - we lerned we wuz ignorant and all wuk'd up over nuttin'. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
The ARRL President wrote: >I hope this has reassured you that nothing will >happen on January 1 that will in any way affect your use of AM. There, there, little ones, no need to worry your little heads over the scary old bandplan. It won't get you... How disrespectful. We offer reasoned arguments and they respond like we are frightened children. I'm going to have to start wearing a neck-brace from shaking my head -sadly, resignedly- each time I read the ARRL responses. Sigh. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
The ARRL President writes: > On behalf of the ARRL, I can assure you > that there are no plans > to propose incorporating any IARU band plan into the > FCC rules. So they voted in favor of it in committee but have no intention of following its provisions? The first and foremost of which is that the Member Societies are to seek to put the bandplan into regulatory form with the respective government authorities! Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Hello, Si Señor ! *** MY HAT OFF *** 73 Joe / ct1axg --- W6OM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Letter below is from the ARRL President Joel > Harrison W5ZN in response to my > letter below his. Almost amusing transparent > rhetorical response to my > letter and still acceptance to go live with a > webinar to explain themselves, > not the IARU. > > > > Enjoy the read, this is only the opening round of > what plan to make a > significant even until accept my offer. > > > > All the Best > > > > Ron Weaver W6OM > > > > www.qsl.net/w6om > > > > From: Joel Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:38 PM > To: 'W6OM' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: IARU Band Plan > > > > Ron, > > Thank you for letting me know of your concerns with > regard to the band plan > adopted recently by the member-societies of IARU > Region 2. You sent your > message to a number of individuals; because the ARRL > is the representative > organization in the IARU for radio amateurs of the > United States, I am > replying on their behalf. > > IARU regional band plans have been in existence for > many years. They are > developed, reviewed and approved at regional > conferences of the IARU > member-societies. The band plans provide voluntary > guidelines that are > intended to assist amateurs in making the most > effective use of our limited > frequency allocations. They are not restrictions and > carry no regulatory > authority. On behalf of the ARRL, I can assure you > that there are no plans > to propose incorporating any IARU band plan into the > FCC rules. One virtue > of voluntary band plans is that they are more > flexible and can be amended > more easily than the FCC rules; writing them into > the rules would be > counterproductive. > > The new IARU Region 2 band plan was developed by > delegates to the Region 2 > Conference from a number of countries. It does not > align in every respect > either with the FCC rules or with operating patterns > followed by US > amateurs. Unlike the United States, most countries > do not have regulations > setting out subbands for different types of > emission. Even in the US the FCC > rules do not provide much detail with regard to > frequency use. As FCC > amateur licensees we are obliged to cooperate with > one another in selecting > transmitting channels and making the most effective > use of amateur service > frequencies, and to follow good engineering and good > amateur practice. > > Your message objects to the Region 2 band plan for > "suggesting limits that > are more severe than regulations from the > governments in the region." > However, the band plan does not contain "limits." As > voluntary guidelines > the band plan cannot by definition be "more severe" > than regulations. And > finally, if the band plan did not suggest an > operating pattern that is a > subset of the regulations it would serve no purpose. > > Your message refers to IARU President Larry Price as > wishing "to discourage > footnotes among the various regional plans he > oversees." First, the IARU > President does not "oversee" regional band plans. > Each regional plan is > developed by the member-societies of that region, in > accordance with the > constitution, bylaws and rules of the regional > organization. The regional > organizations are autonomous entities and do not > answer to the IARU > President. Second, Mr. Price's observation with > regard to footnotes had > nothing whatsoever to do with IARU band plans. > Footnotes are not by their > nature either good or bad; it depends on what they > say. Mr. Price's > observation had to do specifically with footnotes in > the ITU Table of > Frequency Allocations that prohibit amateur > operation, or authorize sharing > by additional services, in certain countries in > certain parts of the bands > that are allocated in the ITU Table to the amateur > service. One of the goals > of the IARU is to minimize such footnotes. On the > other hand, there are > other footnotes to the ITU Table that are extremely > beneficial to Amateur > Radio, such as the ones permitting amateur-satellite > operation. In any case > this is totally unrelated to IARU band planning > activities, which are > internal to the amateur service and to each regional > IARU organization and > have nothing whatever to do with the ITU. > > I hope this has reassured you that nothing will > happen on January 1 that > will in any way affect your use of AM. We are always > seeking ways to improve > the process of revision of the IARU Region 2 band > plan and the ARRL Board of > Directors, who determine the policy for ARRL's input > to IARU Region 2, are > always open to member input on future revisions that > ARRL delegates may take > to future Region 2 Conferences. I encourage you to > communicate with the > Division Director in your ARRL Division. > > Sincere 73, > > Joel Harrison, W5ZN > > ARRL President > > > > > > _
Re: [AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
The ARRL President writes: > I encourage you to communicate with the > Division Director in your ARRL Division. We certainly saw how effective that was in the Central Division! It was all edumacational for us - we lerned we wuz ignorant and all wuk'd up over nuttin'. Steve WD8DAS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] FW: IARU Band Plan
Letter below is from the ARRL President Joel Harrison W5ZN in response to my letter below his. Almost amusing transparent rhetorical response to my letter and still acceptance to go live with a webinar to explain themselves, not the IARU. Enjoy the read, this is only the opening round of what plan to make a significant even until accept my offer. All the Best Ron Weaver W6OM www.qsl.net/w6om From: Joel Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:38 PM To: 'W6OM' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IARU Band Plan Ron, Thank you for letting me know of your concerns with regard to the band plan adopted recently by the member-societies of IARU Region 2. You sent your message to a number of individuals; because the ARRL is the representative organization in the IARU for radio amateurs of the United States, I am replying on their behalf. IARU regional band plans have been in existence for many years. They are developed, reviewed and approved at regional conferences of the IARU member-societies. The band plans provide voluntary guidelines that are intended to assist amateurs in making the most effective use of our limited frequency allocations. They are not restrictions and carry no regulatory authority. On behalf of the ARRL, I can assure you that there are no plans to propose incorporating any IARU band plan into the FCC rules. One virtue of voluntary band plans is that they are more flexible and can be amended more easily than the FCC rules; writing them into the rules would be counterproductive. The new IARU Region 2 band plan was developed by delegates to the Region 2 Conference from a number of countries. It does not align in every respect either with the FCC rules or with operating patterns followed by US amateurs. Unlike the United States, most countries do not have regulations setting out subbands for different types of emission. Even in the US the FCC rules do not provide much detail with regard to frequency use. As FCC amateur licensees we are obliged to cooperate with one another in selecting transmitting channels and making the most effective use of amateur service frequencies, and to follow good engineering and good amateur practice. Your message objects to the Region 2 band plan for "suggesting limits that are more severe than regulations from the governments in the region." However, the band plan does not contain "limits." As voluntary guidelines the band plan cannot by definition be "more severe" than regulations. And finally, if the band plan did not suggest an operating pattern that is a subset of the regulations it would serve no purpose. Your message refers to IARU President Larry Price as wishing "to discourage footnotes among the various regional plans he oversees." First, the IARU President does not "oversee" regional band plans. Each regional plan is developed by the member-societies of that region, in accordance with the constitution, bylaws and rules of the regional organization. The regional organizations are autonomous entities and do not answer to the IARU President. Second, Mr. Price's observation with regard to footnotes had nothing whatsoever to do with IARU band plans. Footnotes are not by their nature either good or bad; it depends on what they say. Mr. Price's observation had to do specifically with footnotes in the ITU Table of Frequency Allocations that prohibit amateur operation, or authorize sharing by additional services, in certain countries in certain parts of the bands that are allocated in the ITU Table to the amateur service. One of the goals of the IARU is to minimize such footnotes. On the other hand, there are other footnotes to the ITU Table that are extremely beneficial to Amateur Radio, such as the ones permitting amateur-satellite operation. In any case this is totally unrelated to IARU band planning activities, which are internal to the amateur service and to each regional IARU organization and have nothing whatever to do with the ITU. I hope this has reassured you that nothing will happen on January 1 that will in any way affect your use of AM. We are always seeking ways to improve the process of revision of the IARU Region 2 band plan and the ARRL Board of Directors, who determine the policy for ARRL's input to IARU Region 2, are always open to member input on future revisions that ARRL delegates may take to future Region 2 Conferences. I encourage you to communicate with the Division Director in your ARRL Division. Sincere 73, Joel Harrison, W5ZN ARRL President _ From: W6OM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECT
