Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-18 Thread Phil Galasso

- Original Message -
From: Bob Deuel  Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a
linear amplifier tube
 prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers can
be
 configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and
Simpson
 oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
 device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club Meet
 and actually won a Blue Ribbon.

Could you get me a copy of the article or point me to a place where I could
get it. That is MOST interesting. I have seen vacuum tube diodes used as
noise generators (the 5722 comes to mind here), but I have never seen them
used as amplifiers or oscillators.

Phil K2PG




Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-18 Thread George KB2Z
If memory serves the diodes need to be configured push-pull for 
amplifier use and push-push if employed as an oscillator. . Its 
important to use a very noisy buffer in front the oscillator to cancel 
the hash inherent to the diodes.The second diode acts similar to a 
screen for steering



Phil Galasso wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Bob Deuel  Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a
linear amplifier tube
  

prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers can


be
  

configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and


Simpson
  

oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club Meet
and actually won a Blue Ribbon.



Could you get me a copy of the article or point me to a place where I could
get it. That is MOST interesting. I have seen vacuum tube diodes used as
noise generators (the 5722 comes to mind here), but I have never seen them
used as amplifiers or oscillators.

Phil K2PG


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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-17 Thread W7QHO




Dennis D. W7QHO
Glendale, CA


RE: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-17 Thread Brian Carling
I think that was the APRIL issue of Tube Collector magazine.
The heck of it is, he used a galena crystal as a modulation 
transformer!

On 16 Feb 2006 at 20:42, John Coleman ARS WA5BXO wrote:

 OK BOB!
   You got my attention. Explain more.  I hope I'm not a sucker
 here.  I have seen and extremely low mu amplifier circuit (common
 cathode) made by reverse biasing the plate of a triode and forward
 biasing the grid where output is taken from the grid and input is on the
 plate.  So I know that weird stuff does exist.
 
 John, WA5BXO
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Deuel
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:05 PM
 To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??
 
 Hello Larry and all:
 
 Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a linear amplifier
 tube
 prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers
 can be
 configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and
 Simpson
 oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
 device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club
 Meet
 and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
 Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting of a Hartley
 oscillator
 modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT full-wave rectifier tubes
 as
 the active devices. No solid-state magic, just simple full-wave
 rectifiers.
 The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman gridless Gammatron
 circuits. The transmitter was set up for the broadcast band and works
 fine.
 It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now and a write up
 including the circuit was published in the February, 2006 issue of the
 Tube
 Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine published by the
 Tube
 Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make full-wave rectifiers do
 more
 than just rectify.
 
 Bob, K2GLO   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ne1s
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
 To: Discussion of AM Radio
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??
 
 Donald Chester writes: 
 
  
  Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other 
  issues
  such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a 
  difference
  what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater
 than
  legal limit?.
  
  Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair
 of 
  807's in the final. 
  
 
 Yeah, or a pair of 866As 
 
 Sorry (the devil made me do it). 
 
 73,
  -Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-17 Thread George KB2Z
Reverse biasing the galena crystal was a stroke of genius. 100% negative 
side modulation with no need for clipping on the pos. side. Cleanest 
class C sine wave ever. Brilliant.


Brian Carling wrote:

I think that was the APRIL issue of Tube Collector magazine.
The heck of it is, he used a galena crystal as a modulation 
transformer!


On 16 Feb 2006 at 20:42, John Coleman ARS WA5BXO wrote:

  

OK BOB!
You got my attention. Explain more.  I hope I'm not a sucker
here.  I have seen and extremely low mu amplifier circuit (common
cathode) made by reverse biasing the plate of a triode and forward
biasing the grid where output is taken from the grid and input is on the
plate.  So I know that weird stuff does exist.

John, WA5BXO
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Deuel
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

Hello Larry and all:

Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a linear amplifier
tube
prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers
can be
configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and
Simpson
oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club
Meet
and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting of a Hartley
oscillator
modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT full-wave rectifier tubes
as
the active devices. No solid-state magic, just simple full-wave
rectifiers.
The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman gridless Gammatron
circuits. The transmitter was set up for the broadcast band and works
fine.
It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now and a write up
including the circuit was published in the February, 2006 issue of the
Tube
Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine published by the
Tube
Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make full-wave rectifiers do
more
than just rectify.

Bob, K2GLO   


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ne1s
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

Donald Chester writes: 


Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other 
issues
such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a 
difference

what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater


than


legal limit?.


Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair
  
of 

807's in the final. 

  
Yeah, or a pair of 866As 

Sorry (the devil made me do it). 


73,
 -Larry/NE1S
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Reverse biasing the galena was a stroke of genius


RE: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-17 Thread Jim Candela

John,

Check this out:

http://uv201.com/Tube_Pages/heintz-kaufman.htm


Jim
WD5JKO

--- John Coleman ARS WA5BXO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 OK BOB!
   You got my attention. Explain more.  I hope I'm not
 a sucker
 here.  I have seen and extremely low mu amplifier
 circuit (common
 cathode) made by reverse biasing the plate of a
 triode and forward
 biasing the grid where output is taken from the grid
 and input is on the
 plate.  So I know that weird stuff does exist.
 
 John, WA5BXO
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Bob Deuel
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:05 PM
 To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??
 
 Hello Larry and all:
 
 Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a
 linear amplifier
 tube
 prompted me to contribute the following: Certain
 full-wave rectifiers
 can be
 configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built
 audio, Hartley and
 Simpson
 oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers
 as the sole active
 device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic
 Antique Radio Club
 Meet
 and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
 Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting
 of a Hartley
 oscillator
 modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT
 full-wave rectifier tubes
 as
 the active devices. No solid-state magic, just
 simple full-wave
 rectifiers.
 The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman
 gridless Gammatron
 circuits. The transmitter was set up for the
 broadcast band and works
 fine.
 It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now
 and a write up
 including the circuit was published in the February,
 2006 issue of the
 Tube
 Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine
 published by the
 Tube
 Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make
 full-wave rectifiers do
 more
 than just rectify.
 
 Bob, K2GLO   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of ne1s
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
 To: Discussion of AM Radio
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??
 
 Donald Chester writes: 
 
  
  Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so
 putting aside other 
  issues
  such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you
 think it makes a 
  difference
  what tube is used? Are you referring to running a
 linear at greater
 than
  legal limit?.
  
  Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit
 linear that runs a pair
 of 
  807's in the final. 
  
 
 Yeah, or a pair of 866As 
 
 Sorry (the devil made me do it). 
 
 73,
  -Larry/NE1S

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[AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-17 Thread Bob Deuel
To Jim, John and all:

Jim: The URL you listed is a great site for information on the HK type 5.
It is quite true that the HK type 5 never went much beyond the prototype
stage and I have one of those rare little puppies in my collection.
However, the larger transmitting gridless Gammatrons were used extensively
in the west coast based Globe Wireless communication system built by HK.
The complete HK gridless Gammatron story is about a 30-page article named
Defiance in the West, The Heintz and Kaufman Story that was published in
the AWA Review, Volume X, 1996. It includes pictures of all the different
gridless Gammatrons.

John: The 6AX5GT and some Raytheon 6X5WGT's have the proper plate-cathode
construction that makes them candidates for gridless Gammatron
experimentation. I can not take credit for the initial idea of using the
6AX5GT. Reed Fisher, W2CQH, first introduced the use of the 6AX5GT as an
experimental gridless Gammatron substitute in an article that appeared in
the April, 2004 issue of the Tube Collector. I refer to both his work and
the above mentioned AWA Review article in my article that appears in the
February, 2006 Tube Collector. Using the above information, I further
refined the 6AX5GT Gammatron operating conditions and developed the AM
transmitter circuit. My article documents my experimental findings and
includes the AM transmitter schematic.

In a nutshell and just enough to peak your interest into pursuing the
articles for all the details, I offer the brief description of operation:

One must reduce the heater voltage of the 6AX5GT to a point the there is a
limited flow of electrons between cathode and one of the two plates that has
been selected to act as the anode. About 15 ma. appears to be optimum in my
circuits with 75 volts on the anode. The second plate is then used as the
Gamma or control plate which is synonymous with the grid connection in a
triode circuit. Control potentials imposed on the designated Gamma plate
diverts some of the cathode to anode electron flow to the Gamma plate
therefore causing triode action.

A word of caution! Since one has a forward biased diode across the power
supply with only the cathode temperature limiting the electron flow, one
must protect the power supply from the possibility of excessive current.
Initially, I used a #47 lamp in series with the anode and the power supply.
I got tired of replacing the lamps when I was experimenting with various
Gamma currents or electron space charge buildup and resorted to a voltage
divider setup allowing 75 volts at 15 ma. from a 180 volt supply. The design
wattage of the voltage dropping resistor was selected so it could safely
dissipate the entire 180 volts in conditions when the Gammatron currents
became excessive either due to too high of a heater voltage or electron
space charge buildup.

I suggest that you visit http://www.tubecollectors.org/ for information
regarding the tube collector. I just noticed that the editor has not listed
the February, 2006 on the website yet. However, all previous issues are
currently listed. Information on the most recent issue containing my article
should be appearing in the next couple days.

Have fun experimenting  That is what ham radio is all about.

Bob, K2GLO 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:09 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??


John,

Check this out:

http://uv201.com/Tube_Pages/heintz-kaufman.htm


Jim
WD5JKO

--- John Coleman ARS WA5BXO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 OK BOB!
   You got my attention. Explain more.  I hope I'm not
 a sucker
 here.  I have seen and extremely low mu amplifier
 circuit (common
 cathode) made by reverse biasing the plate of a
 triode and forward
 biasing the grid where output is taken from the grid
 and input is on the
 plate.  So I know that weird stuff does exist.
 
 John, WA5BXO
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Bob Deuel
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:05 PM
 To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??
 
 Hello Larry and all:
 
 Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a
 linear amplifier
 tube
 prompted me to contribute the following: Certain
 full-wave rectifiers
 can be
 configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built
 audio, Hartley and
 Simpson
 oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers
 as the sole active
 device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic
 Antique Radio Club
 Meet
 and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
 Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting
 of a Hartley
 oscillator
 modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT
 full-wave rectifier tubes
 as
 the active devices. No solid-state magic, just
 simple full-wave
 rectifiers.
 The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman
 gridless Gammatron
 circuits

[AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread ne1s
Donald Chester writes: 



Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other 
issues
such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a 
difference

what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater than
legal limit?.


Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair of 
807's in the final. 



Yeah, or a pair of 866As 

Sorry (the devil made me do it). 


73,
-Larry/NE1S


[AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread Bob Deuel
Hello Larry and all:

Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a linear amplifier tube
prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers can be
configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and Simpson
oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club Meet
and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting of a Hartley oscillator
modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT full-wave rectifier tubes as
the active devices. No solid-state magic, just simple full-wave rectifiers.
The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman gridless Gammatron
circuits. The transmitter was set up for the broadcast band and works fine.
It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now and a write up
including the circuit was published in the February, 2006 issue of the Tube
Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine published by the Tube
Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make full-wave rectifiers do more
than just rectify.

Bob, K2GLO   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ne1s
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

Donald Chester writes: 

 
 Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other 
 issues
 such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a 
 difference
 what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater than
 legal limit?.
 
 Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair of 
 807's in the final. 
 

Yeah, or a pair of 866As 

Sorry (the devil made me do it). 

73,
 -Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread crawfish
Or a pair of 5U4's in grounded-grid.
   Joe W4AAB
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Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??


 Donald Chester writes:

 
  Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other
  issues
  such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a
  difference
  what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater
than
  legal limit?.
 
  Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair of
  807's in the final.
 

 Yeah, or a pair of 866As

 Sorry (the devil made me do it).

 73,
  -Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread Barrie Smith





Or a pair of 5U4's in grounded-grid.
  Joe W4AAB


Diode bias?

Barrie, W7ALW



RE: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread John Coleman ARS WA5BXO
OK BOB!
You got my attention. Explain more.  I hope I'm not a sucker
here.  I have seen and extremely low mu amplifier circuit (common
cathode) made by reverse biasing the plate of a triode and forward
biasing the grid where output is taken from the grid and input is on the
plate.  So I know that weird stuff does exist.

John, WA5BXO
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Deuel
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

Hello Larry and all:

Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a linear amplifier
tube
prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave rectifiers
can be
configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley and
Simpson
oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club
Meet
and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting of a Hartley
oscillator
modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT full-wave rectifier tubes
as
the active devices. No solid-state magic, just simple full-wave
rectifiers.
The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman gridless Gammatron
circuits. The transmitter was set up for the broadcast band and works
fine.
It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now and a write up
including the circuit was published in the February, 2006 issue of the
Tube
Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine published by the
Tube
Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make full-wave rectifiers do
more
than just rectify.

Bob, K2GLO   

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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
To: Discussion of AM Radio
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

Donald Chester writes: 

 
 Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other 
 issues
 such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a 
 difference
 what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at greater
than
 legal limit?.
 
 Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs a pair
of 
 807's in the final. 
 

Yeah, or a pair of 866As 

Sorry (the devil made me do it). 

73,
 -Larry/NE1S
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RE: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

2006-02-16 Thread W1EOF
Hey Bob -

I really enjoyed reading the article about your 6AX5 transmitter in this
months Collector. Very cool stuff and what I like most
about it is you did for pure enjoyment. Kudos.

73,

Mark W1EOF


 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Deuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:05 PM
 To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??


 Hello Larry and all:

 Larry's tongue in cheek comment employing 866's as a linear amplifier tube
 prompted me to contribute the following: Certain full-wave
 rectifiers can be
 configured to amplify or oscillate. I have built audio, Hartley
 and Simpson
 oscillators using only 6AX5GT's full-wave rectifiers as the sole active
 device. These were displayed at 2004 Mid-Atlantic Antique Radio Club Meet
 and actually won a Blue Ribbon.
 Late last year I built an AM transmitter consisting of a Hartley
 oscillator
 modulated by an AM modulator using only 6AX5GT full-wave
 rectifier tubes as
 the active devices. No solid-state magic, just simple full-wave
 rectifiers.
 The basic concept is that of the Heintz and Kaufman gridless Gammatron
 circuits. The transmitter was set up for the broadcast band and
 works fine.
 It has been publicly demonstrated a couple times now and a write up
 including the circuit was published in the February, 2006 issue
 of the Tube
 Collector magazine which is the bi-monthly magazine published by the Tube
 Collectors Association, Inc. It is fun to make full-wave
 rectifiers do more
 than just rectify.

 Bob, K2GLO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ne1s
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:36 AM
 To: Discussion of AM Radio
 Subject: [AMRadio] Re: AM Transmitter Advice??

 Donald Chester writes:

 
  Assuming one is going to build a linear, and so putting aside other
  issues
  such as linear vs plate modulation, why do you think it makes a
  difference
  what tube is used? Are you referring to running a linear at
 greater than
  legal limit?.
 
  Well, go ahead and try building a legal limit linear that runs
 a pair of
  807's in the final.
 

 Yeah, or a pair of 866As

 Sorry (the devil made me do it).

 73,
  -Larry/NE1S
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