[AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9

2008-05-07 Thread D. Chester

From: Mack Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



This petition was aimed directly at the heart of
WinLink.

A data service that is exclusive to those who purchase
equipment from the provider and meant solely to open
amateur frequencies to use by non-licensed persons and
entities, transmitting non-amateur related data.


That is true.  But I am afraid that if that petition hadn't been denied by 
the FCC it would have been a foot in the door for  regulation-by-bandwidth, 
and would have set a dangerous precedent that could have ultimately resulted 
in specific bandwidth limits for other modes as well.



WinLink users have been instructed to turn off the
feature that checks for a busy frequency before
transmitting, a completely illegal action per FCC
rules.


Who  has "instructed" them to do that, and under what authority?

If they are already able to violate  the existing rules with impunity, would 
additional bandwidth limitations be taken any more seriously?  It looks to 
me like there are already  rules in place to deal with this problem.  The 
FCC just needs to enforce them.




WinLink apparently has been successful in swaying the
thoughts of U.S. Government officials to their side of
the issue using the constant chant of "emergency
communications", while one of them is most famous for
selling the equipment to California yacht owners.

Will you be so happy when/if WinLink decides that
1885kc is most effective for their use?


If the FCC is already determined to let those bootleggers use our bands 
regardles, they could not have been expected to have ruled against 
themselves in any case.  At least now there is language on the record 
directly from the Commission that argues against specific bandwidth limits, 
which could be applied to any mode, and in opposition to the elimination of 
any mode now in use, including AM.  I would prefer to see the Winlink battle 
fought using a weapon other than bandwidth limitation.



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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9

2008-05-07 Thread Mack Rogers
It's in some of the info on the WinLink website.
Specifically states to turn off the busy frequency
check and let your node's traffic flow. Reminds me of
a bunch of drunken CBers with big linear amps. Only
difference is this bunch has to buy their gear from
one vendor.

Pretty funny affair when you stop and think about it.
The first non-amateur application of amateur radio
with an exclusive vendor involved to ensure all the
money flows to the right pockets.

OH well, it was always just another hobby to me
anyway. If commercial interests take ham radio, that's
fine with me, no gnawing of the tongue required here.
There's always hunting & fishing, hot rods, etc.

Mack Rogers
N4VGB


--- "D. Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > From: Mack Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > This petition was aimed directly at the heart of
> > WinLink.
> >
> > A data service that is exclusive to those who
> purchase
> > equipment from the provider and meant solely to
> open
> > amateur frequencies to use by non-licensed persons
> and
> > entities, transmitting non-amateur related data.
> 
> That is true.  But I am afraid that if that petition
> hadn't been denied by 
> the FCC it would have been a foot in the door for 
> regulation-by-bandwidth, 
> and would have set a dangerous precedent that could
> have ultimately resulted 
> in specific bandwidth limits for other modes as
> well.
> 
> > WinLink users have been instructed to turn off the
> > feature that checks for a busy frequency before
> > transmitting, a completely illegal action per FCC
> > rules.
> 
> Who  has "instructed" them to do that, and under
> what authority?
> 
> If they are already able to violate  the existing
> rules with impunity, would 
> additional bandwidth limitations be taken any more
> seriously?  It looks to 
> me like there are already  rules in place to deal
> with this problem.  The 
> FCC just needs to enforce them.
> 
> >
> > WinLink apparently has been successful in swaying
> the
> > thoughts of U.S. Government officials to their
> side of
> > the issue using the constant chant of "emergency
> > communications", while one of them is most famous
> for
> > selling the equipment to California yacht owners.
> >
> > Will you be so happy when/if WinLink decides that
> > 1885kc is most effective for their use?
> 
> If the FCC is already determined to let those
> bootleggers use our bands 
> regardles, they could not have been expected to have
> ruled against 
> themselves in any case.  At least now there is
> language on the record 
> directly from the Commission that argues against
> specific bandwidth limits, 
> which could be applied to any mode, and in
> opposition to the elimination of 
> any mode now in use, including AM.  I would prefer
> to see the Winlink battle 
> fought using a weapon other than bandwidth
> limitation.
> 
> 
>
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9

2008-05-07 Thread Joe Crawford
That's the problem now, folks have no respect for the hobby.It is the best 
hobby I ever had, in spite of all the idiot CB'ers who got in easy and 
probably paid someone to take their test when they had to do the 
code.winjunk is data CB. Just another sign that things are going to heck in 
a handbasket. winjunk SHOULD be on 11m, or maybe 2m repeaters.

Joe W4AAB
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 52, Issue 9

2008-05-07 Thread k0ng


A chum of mine always says "the world is going to Hxxx in a HAMbasket !

K0NG

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