Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
OK, sorry. Wrong Eagle. Lee, w0vt - Original Message - From: "Larry Szendrei" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is > Lee - you seem to be describing a different "Eagle". The original post > (which John was replying to, and included in his reply) describes the > Gross Eagle as a 1933 regenerative receiver: > > " A 1933 Gross Radio Company Eagle regen RX, complete with all four > coils and documentation. > Think of a National SW-3, with a single coil rather the SW-3's two. > Band coverage is 200 meters down to 15 meters. > A pair of type 32 tubes, and a single 33 in the AF output." > > I have seen and operated that receiver, as the person who had originally > made that post on the AWA reflector (Bruce, W1UJR) is a good friend of > mine and lives nearby. > > See: > http://www.w1ujr.net/bruces_bench_2008.htm > > Second "project" down the page, immediately following the snow static > discussion. > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S > > LEE BAHR wrote: >> The Eagle sold for less >> money then the Philmore. I also bought a 3735 Khz crystal for it from BA >> for 35 cents. > -snip- >> As I recall the Eagle was available from Gross in the late >> 40s. I think maybe the Philmore NT-200 was a mass marketing "knock-off" >> of >> the Gross Eagle. They put everything in a fresh new box using fresh new >> parts, not surplus, including tubes and two coil forms for two bands. >> Philmore then advertised their kit to the Novice crowd and Gross probably >> said we want out and sold their remaing kits to BA. Both transmitters >> used >> a U shaped piece of aluminum for their chassis. The Power supplies were >> on >> another U shaped piece of aluminum. Both transmitters had their tuning >> caps >> and tuning lamps in the same place on the front of the U shaped chassis. >> The initual Novice bands were 80 and 11 meters. The first Philmore >> transmitters sported 80 and 11 meter coil information. > -snip- >> I never tried operating on 15 with the Eagle. >> >> Lee >> w0vt >> > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
Lee - you seem to be describing a different "Eagle". The original post (which John was replying to, and included in his reply) describes the Gross Eagle as a 1933 regenerative receiver: " A 1933 Gross Radio Company Eagle regen RX, complete with all four coils and documentation. Think of a National SW-3, with a single coil rather the SW-3's two. Band coverage is 200 meters down to 15 meters. A pair of type 32 tubes, and a single 33 in the AF output." I have seen and operated that receiver, as the person who had originally made that post on the AWA reflector (Bruce, W1UJR) is a good friend of mine and lives nearby. See: http://www.w1ujr.net/bruces_bench_2008.htm Second "project" down the page, immediately following the snow static discussion. 73, -Larry/NE1S LEE BAHR wrote: > The Eagle sold for less > money then the Philmore. I also bought a 3735 Khz crystal for it from BA > for 35 cents. -snip- > As I recall the Eagle was available from Gross in the late > 40s. I think maybe the Philmore NT-200 was a mass marketing "knock-off" of > the Gross Eagle. They put everything in a fresh new box using fresh new > parts, not surplus, including tubes and two coil forms for two bands. > Philmore then advertised their kit to the Novice crowd and Gross probably > said we want out and sold their remaing kits to BA. Both transmitters used > a U shaped piece of aluminum for their chassis. The Power supplies were on > another U shaped piece of aluminum. Both transmitters had their tuning caps > and tuning lamps in the same place on the front of the U shaped chassis. > The initual Novice bands were 80 and 11 meters. The first Philmore > transmitters sported 80 and 11 meter coil information. -snip- > I never tried operating on 15 with the Eagle. > > Lee > w0vt > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
Lee wrote: "You can go to BAMA and download the complete manual for it in color". Yep, I now have the manual, but I gave away the rig about 50 years ago. Ah, memories 73, Ken W2DTC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
That is it. You can go to BAMA and download the complete manual for it in color. Lee - Original Message - From: "Ken" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is > The Philmore was my first transmitter: > > http://w2dtc.com/w2dtc-radio-history/1956-06-philmore-nt-200.jpg > > 73, > Ken W2DTC > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
The Philmore was my first transmitter: http://w2dtc.com/w2dtc-radio-history/1956-06-philmore-nt-200.jpg 73, Ken W2DTC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
My further feelings on the Eagle are: Gross was a radio store in New York, I believe. They sold broadcast radios, ham parts as well as electronics parts. They did do a little advertising but not much. Burstein-Applebee in Kansas City did the same thing but had a big ham department and ham radio display room. Burstein-Applebee had an annual large catalog and also sent out monthly flyers. They had a YELLOW SHEET surplus section in the rear of their catalog. I think maybe Gross got tired of trying to sell their kit and BA bought all the remaining kits up as surplus. They then listed them in their Yellow Sheets at the rear of their catalog. This was during the time of great Novice activity (1953, 1954). I bought mine at that time. I was 13 years old. My friend bought the Philmore. The Eagle sold for less money then the Philmore. I also bought a 3735 Khz crystal for it from BA for 35 cents. The Eagle was sold without tubes, but of course BA sold tubes, so there was no problem and they all could be ordered together. As I recall the Eagle sold for around $12 and the power supply for another $8.00 or so. All this plus tubes. I think the Philmore was sold with tubes and sold for around $25 to $27. (This is all mentioned from memory). Philmore did a fair amount of advertising. BA had their Eagle in their Yellow Sheets. All this took place at the same time Ameco advertised like crazy their AC-1 Novice transmitter. (one tube transmitter using a 6V6 and a 5Y3 rectifier. The AC-1 sold for around $17 or $18). Not too many Philmore or Eagle transmitters were sold. I can tell you I hardly ever ran into anyone using them. A lot of Ameco AC-1s were sold but because of their very low power were not popular on the bands. I think green horn young hams bought them and then quickly got educated and upgraded to a transmitter with a little more power so many sat in a closet. I know my friend upgraded from his Philmore within weeks of using the Philmore and I did the same thing with my Eagle. As I recall the Eagle was available from Gross in the late 40s. I think maybe the Philmore NT-200 was a mass marketing "knock-off" of the Gross Eagle. They put everything in a fresh new box using fresh new parts, not surplus, including tubes and two coil forms for two bands. Philmore then advertised their kit to the Novice crowd and Gross probably said we want out and sold their remaing kits to BA. Both transmitters used a U shaped piece of aluminum for their chassis. The Power supplies were on another U shaped piece of aluminum. Both transmitters had their tuning caps and tuning lamps in the same place on the front of the U shaped chassis. The initual Novice bands were 80 and 11 meters. The first Philmore transmitters sported 80 and 11 meter coil information. Later they included winding a coil for 40 meters when that band became available to the Novice crowd. My Eagle came with a single coil form for one band but with info on winding the coil for the band of your choice. I wound my coil for 80 meters and then used an old tube base as a coil form to wind another one for 40 meters. Bye then the 11 meter Novice band was no more but there was one for 15 meters. I never tried operating on 15 with the Eagle. Lee w0vt - Original Message - From: "LEE BAHR" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is >I have one too, but no paperwork left. It was bought in 1954 from > Burstein-Applebee out of Kansas City, Mo. 6V6 osc, 6L6 amp, seperate > power > supply w/80 rectifier tube. Pi output circuit. It is almost identical to > the Philmore NT-200 Novice Transmitter Kit. You can find the Philmore > manual on BAMA. > > The chassis were very close to being the same. The Philmore used a 5Y3 > rectifier and used a #49 "tuning lamp". The Eagle used a neon "tuning > lamp". The Eagle also used two dual variable caps in parallel where as > the > Philmore used two single 100pf variables. The Eagle used a lot of surplus > parts (caps and resistors). They were both sold as kits. > > Lee, w0vt > > > Hi Gang, > > I'm happy to join this club. I just picked up a Gross Eagle with two > coils. I'm interested in gathering more information. Anything > Gross actually. > > 73, John Dilks, K2TQN > --- > > __ > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: h
Re: [AMRadio] The Eagle Has Landed - The Gross Radio EagleThat Is
I have one too, but no paperwork left. It was bought in 1954 from Burstein-Applebee out of Kansas City, Mo. 6V6 osc, 6L6 amp, seperate power supply w/80 rectifier tube. Pi output circuit. It is almost identical to the Philmore NT-200 Novice Transmitter Kit. You can find the Philmore manual on BAMA. The chassis were very close to being the same. The Philmore used a 5Y3 rectifier and used a #49 "tuning lamp". The Eagle used a neon "tuning lamp". The Eagle also used two dual variable caps in parallel where as the Philmore used two single 100pf variables. The Eagle used a lot of surplus parts (caps and resistors). They were both sold as kits. Lee, w0vt Hi Gang, I'm happy to join this club. I just picked up a Gross Eagle with two coils. I'm interested in gathering more information. Anything Gross actually. 73, John Dilks, K2TQN --- __ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
