RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Mark, How would you support the transformer with wood? Remove it? Wood inside the case? Above or below tranformer? Tnx Ken WB8EQO --- W1EOF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As people have stated, it's a combination of both. > People cared more about > their work back then and probably took better care > in how they handled > stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the > stuff outta here" than now > I'm sure. > > Secondly it does not matter whether so much whether > you use a particular > material or not, it's HOW the materials are put > together that matter. > Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's > packed if it gets dropped > six feet. I think you are stating my second point > from a different angle. I > wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt > confident... yes, > confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. > Probably an eight foot > drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure > for a business. It's not > hard to do but it takes a little work and more than > that it takes thought on > how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of items > around the world. > Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one > damaged in transit. ALl > of those packages were expected to withstand at > least a six foot drop. > > As an example, here is what I would do with a > small-medium sized > transmitter: > > 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped > in bubble-wrap and > shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get sent > separately in another > box. If you want you can in some case wrap that > stuff up and put it inside > but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. > > 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I > might need to make a > wooden support for the transformers. > > 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble wrap. > The one with the bigger > bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. > There should be at least a > couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. > > 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this > assembly into a box. Not a > bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and tape > before it goes in the > box. > > 5. Tape this box up. Tape it up GOOD. If heavy use > strapping tape as I > describe below. Now this is where many people would > stop. It looks like it's > ready to go, right? Well many people would ship this > out but it's not ready. > > 6. Get ANOTHER, larger box. ALlow for 3-4 inches in > every direction. In > between the two boxes you need some cushion. I > pesonally like peanuts but if > you use them they must be packed DENSELY. You want > the inner box to be able > to move a bit, but not much. Pack the peanuts in > there tight. Tape this box > up tight. Then get your strapping tape and wrap two > double bands of that in > each direction, each band about 25% of the way in > from the edge of the box. > If the box is long then I'd add two more bands in > that direction. The > strapping tape will prevent the box from bursting > should it be dropped on a > corner for instance. It's very strong stuff. > > You're done. > > Now if the transmitter is really large, or extra > heavy (say > 80 or 100lbs) > then you need to go to the next level and crate it. > Basically you follow the > steps above and then put that assembly into a box > that is made of plywood > with reinforced corners, etc. Making a suitable > crate is somewhat of an > art... a story for another day. > > If you follow those steps listed above you will be > able to drop that > transmitter 6-8 feet without any damage to the box > or the transmitter. It > will hit with a funny dull sounds and sort of bounce > (which is what you > want, thats' the energy being absorbed and deflected > not transferred to the > transmitter). > > 73, > > Mark W1EOF > > > > Could someone explain to me how radios were > shipped back in the > > 50's so that > > they arrived at the dealers with no apparent > damage. I wonder what the > > original packing was back then? > > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul > Courson/wa3vjb > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
No, but I'm working my way around to that... I have shipped stuff in empty DEPENDS boxes if that counts. 73, Don M. --- Larry Taft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don, > > You that old that you wear diapers again? Seniors? > > 73, Larry K2LT > > Don Merz wrote: > > Well, I once shipped a Heathkit Mohawk to a guy. > When > > it arrived, he found a used plastic diaper among > the > > packing! > > > > That's as close as I've gotten to accidentally > > shipping a kid in with a radio... > > > > 73, Don Merz, N3RHT > > > > > > --- Bob Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Well I can tell ya all one big thing here ...Don > >> Merz knows how to pack > >> gear...My god it took me a whole day to unpack a > box > >> that I got from > >> Don... More packing material then gear...Must > have > >> been the kitchen sink > >> in the box Hi ... > >> I expected to find his first born in the bottom > of > >> the box... > >> > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul > Courson/wa3vjb >
Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Don, You that old that you wear diapers again? Seniors? 73, Larry K2LT Don Merz wrote: Well, I once shipped a Heathkit Mohawk to a guy. When it arrived, he found a used plastic diaper among the packing! That's as close as I've gotten to accidentally shipping a kid in with a radio... 73, Don Merz, N3RHT --- Bob Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I can tell ya all one big thing here ...Don Merz knows how to pack gear...My god it took me a whole day to unpack a box that I got from Don... More packing material then gear...Must have been the kitchen sink in the box Hi ... I expected to find his first born in the bottom of the box...
Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Back in the 50's and 60's almost nothing was shipped by air -- certainly nothing as heavy as a Johnson Valiant or a Heath Apache. But I have had a Valiant shipped to me, and it cost me nothing! My friend constructed a wooden frame to hold the rig inside of a very large cardboard box. There was no rush to get it shipped, so he was able to wait until he found a suitable box. It took so long that the the tubes, which were shipped right after I bought the rig, arrived about a month before I got the transmitter itself. We decided that FedEx was the best way to ship the thing. As it turned out, they picked it up about four days before Christmas with guaranteed two day delivery. Due to all the heavy shipping traffic it arrived a day late. FedEx probably had to chose between my Valiant and a dozen or so smaller packages. I was not the least bit unhappy to get free shipping as a Christmas present from FedEx. We honestly did not plan things that way, it was just how it worked out. My friend's packing method worked -- the rig arrived in fine shape despite all of the packages passing through FedEx at Christmas time. Alan WA2DZL . On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Don Merz wrote: "People don't care about their work" is certainly a factor. They are returning the feeling they are getting from their employer--sometimes in spades. But to be complete, uncaring workers are probably not the main factor at work (pun) here. The biggest factor is probably the sheer volume of shipping that goes on today versus say, 1960. Most shipping was business to business back then, in large lots. Catalog sales to individuals were a tiny fraction of what they are today. If you wanted a radio, you went down to the ham radio dealer and bought one off the shelf that you carried the last mile yourself. Today, that last mile is part of the shipping task for radios ordered from catalogs. Additionally, the majority of the shipment's trip was on steel rails instead of potholed asphalt--the stuff probably didn't get jolted around as much. At the handling facility, people--not automated conveyors and lifts--handled the packages--shipping automation as we know it today did not exist. It didn't have to because labor was cheap and single-piece volume was low. So maybe people don't care as much about their work today. But I kind of doubt that their lack of care for their work is the biggest factor in shipping damage. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT --- W1EOF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As people have stated, it's a combination of both. People cared more about their work back then and probably took better care in how they handled stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the stuff outta here" than now I'm sure. Secondly it does not matter whether so much whether you use a particular material or not, it's HOW the materials are put together that matter. Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's packed if it gets dropped six feet. I think you are stating my second point from a different angle. I wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt confident... yes, confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. Probably an eight foot drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure for a business. It's not hard to do but it takes a little work and more than that it takes thought on how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of items around the world. Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one damaged in transit. ALl of those packages were expected to withstand at least a six foot drop. As an example, here is what I would do with a small-medium sized transmitter: 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped in bubble-wrap and shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get sent separately in another box. If you want you can in some case wrap that stuff up and put it inside but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I might need to make a wooden support for the transformers. 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble wrap. The one with the bigger bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. There should be at least a couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this assembly into a box. Not a bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and tape before it goes in the box. 5. Tape this box up. Tape it up GOOD. If heavy use strapping tape as I describe below. Now this is where many people would stop. It looks like it's ready to go, right? Well many people would ship this out but it's not ready. 6. Get ANOTHER, larger box. ALlow for 3-4 inches in every direction. In between the two boxes you need some cushion. I pesonally like peanuts but if you use them they must be packed DENSELY. You want the inner box to be able to move a bit, but not much. Pack the peanuts in there tight. Tape this box up tight. Then get your strapping tape and wrap two double bands of that in each direction, each ba
Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Egads! Pieter, you name is surely on the watch list now! LOL ;>) --- Pieter Gerlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In response to some of the good ideas on how to and > what to use to pack valuable pieces of equipment i > want to relate my latest experiemce. It doesn't > really matter what is used for packing if someone > decides to open things up in the dying days of the > "War on Drugs." I purchased A Viking Valiant from a > fellow in Colombia who cardboard boxed with > styrofoam and then wooden crated the old warrior. > Presuming it was filled with cocaine or some other > illegal substance either Colombian or Canadian > Customs felt it had to be "stripped searched." __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Bob Peters wrote: Well I can tell ya all one big thing here ...Don Merz knows how to pack gear... Speaking as someone who has, over the last decade or so, bought much, much gear from Don - I can verify this. My R-390A and Johnson Valiant, a bunch of various test gear, piles of books, etc., etc Hey Don - maybe there's a little 'growth industry' for you to develop? Merz Vintage Radio Transport Facilitators. Cheers John KB6SCO who, just last evening, had several nice AM QSOs on the aforementioned 390A and Valiant.
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Well, I once shipped a Heathkit Mohawk to a guy. When it arrived, he found a used plastic diaper among the packing! That's as close as I've gotten to accidentally shipping a kid in with a radio... 73, Don Merz, N3RHT --- Bob Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I can tell ya all one big thing here ...Don > Merz knows how to pack > gear...My god it took me a whole day to unpack a box > that I got from > Don... More packing material then gear...Must have > been the kitchen sink > in the box Hi ... > I expected to find his first born in the bottom of > the box... > > Bob W1PE > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Don Merz > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear > > > "People don't care about their work" is certainly a > factor. They are returning the feeling they are > getting from their employer--sometimes in spades. > > But to be complete, uncaring workers are probably > not > the main factor at work (pun) here. > > The biggest factor is probably the sheer volume of > shipping that goes on today versus say, 1960. Most > shipping was business to business back then, in > large > lots. Catalog sales to individuals were a tiny > fraction of what they are today. If you wanted a > radio, you went down to the ham radio dealer and > bought one off the shelf that you carried the last > mile yourself. Today, that last mile is part of the > shipping task for radios ordered from catalogs. > > Additionally, the majority of the shipment's trip > was > on steel rails instead of potholed asphalt--the > stuff > probably didn't get jolted around as much. At the > handling facility, people--not automated conveyors > and lifts--handled > the packages--shipping automation as we know it > today did not exist. It > didn't have to because labor was cheap and > single-piece volume was low. > > So maybe people don't care as much about their work > today. But I kind of doubt that their lack of care > for > their work is the biggest factor in shipping damage. > > 73, Don Merz, N3RHT > > > --- W1EOF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > As people have stated, it's a combination of both. > > People cared more about > > their work back then and probably took better care > > in how they handled > > stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the > > stuff outta here" than now > > I'm sure. > > > > Secondly it does not matter whether so much > whether > > you use a particular > > material or not, it's HOW the materials are put > > together that matter. > > Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's > > packed if it gets dropped > > six feet. I think you are stating my second point > > from a different angle. I > > wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt > confident... yes, > > confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. > > Probably an eight foot > > drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure > > for a business. It's not > > hard to do but it takes a little work and more > than > > that it takes thought on > > how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of > items > > around the world. > > Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one > > damaged in transit. ALl > > of those packages were expected to withstand at > > least a six foot drop. > > > > As an example, here is what I would do with a > > small-medium sized > > transmitter: > > > > 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped > > in bubble-wrap and > > shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get > sent separately in > > another box. If you want you can in some case wrap > that > > stuff up and put it inside > > but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. > > > > 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I > > might need to make a > > wooden support for the transformers. > > > > 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble > wrap. > > The one with the bigger > > bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. > > There should be at least a > > couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. > > > > 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this > > assembly into a box. Not a > > bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and > tape > > before it goes in the > > box. > &
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Well I can tell ya all one big thing here ...Don Merz knows how to pack gear...My god it took me a whole day to unpack a box that I got from Don... More packing material then gear...Must have been the kitchen sink in the box Hi ... I expected to find his first born in the bottom of the box... Bob W1PE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Merz Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of AM Radio Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear "People don't care about their work" is certainly a factor. They are returning the feeling they are getting from their employer--sometimes in spades. But to be complete, uncaring workers are probably not the main factor at work (pun) here. The biggest factor is probably the sheer volume of shipping that goes on today versus say, 1960. Most shipping was business to business back then, in large lots. Catalog sales to individuals were a tiny fraction of what they are today. If you wanted a radio, you went down to the ham radio dealer and bought one off the shelf that you carried the last mile yourself. Today, that last mile is part of the shipping task for radios ordered from catalogs. Additionally, the majority of the shipment's trip was on steel rails instead of potholed asphalt--the stuff probably didn't get jolted around as much. At the handling facility, people--not automated conveyors and lifts--handled the packages--shipping automation as we know it today did not exist. It didn't have to because labor was cheap and single-piece volume was low. So maybe people don't care as much about their work today. But I kind of doubt that their lack of care for their work is the biggest factor in shipping damage. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT --- W1EOF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As people have stated, it's a combination of both. > People cared more about > their work back then and probably took better care > in how they handled > stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the > stuff outta here" than now > I'm sure. > > Secondly it does not matter whether so much whether > you use a particular > material or not, it's HOW the materials are put > together that matter. > Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's > packed if it gets dropped > six feet. I think you are stating my second point > from a different angle. I > wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt confident... yes, > confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. > Probably an eight foot > drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure > for a business. It's not > hard to do but it takes a little work and more than > that it takes thought on > how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of items > around the world. > Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one > damaged in transit. ALl > of those packages were expected to withstand at > least a six foot drop. > > As an example, here is what I would do with a > small-medium sized > transmitter: > > 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped > in bubble-wrap and > shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get sent separately in > another box. If you want you can in some case wrap that > stuff up and put it inside > but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. > > 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I > might need to make a > wooden support for the transformers. > > 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble wrap. > The one with the bigger > bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. > There should be at least a > couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. > > 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this > assembly into a box. Not a > bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and tape > before it goes in the > box. > > 5. Tape this box up. Tape it up GOOD. If heavy use > strapping tape as I > describe below. Now this is where many people would > stop. It looks like it's > ready to go, right? Well many people would ship this > out but it's not ready. > > 6. Get ANOTHER, larger box. ALlow for 3-4 inches in > every direction. In > between the two boxes you need some cushion. I > pesonally like peanuts but if > you use them they must be packed DENSELY. You want > the inner box to be able > to move a bit, but not much. Pack the peanuts in > there tight. Tape this box > up tight. Then get your strapping tape and wrap two > double bands of that in > each direction, each band about 25% of the way in > from the edge of the box. > If the box is long then I'd add two more bands in > that direction. The > strapping tape will prevent the box
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
"People don't care about their work" is certainly a factor. They are returning the feeling they are getting from their employer--sometimes in spades. But to be complete, uncaring workers are probably not the main factor at work (pun) here. The biggest factor is probably the sheer volume of shipping that goes on today versus say, 1960. Most shipping was business to business back then, in large lots. Catalog sales to individuals were a tiny fraction of what they are today. If you wanted a radio, you went down to the ham radio dealer and bought one off the shelf that you carried the last mile yourself. Today, that last mile is part of the shipping task for radios ordered from catalogs. Additionally, the majority of the shipment's trip was on steel rails instead of potholed asphalt--the stuff probably didn't get jolted around as much. At the handling facility, people--not automated conveyors and lifts--handled the packages--shipping automation as we know it today did not exist. It didn't have to because labor was cheap and single-piece volume was low. So maybe people don't care as much about their work today. But I kind of doubt that their lack of care for their work is the biggest factor in shipping damage. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT --- W1EOF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As people have stated, it's a combination of both. > People cared more about > their work back then and probably took better care > in how they handled > stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the > stuff outta here" than now > I'm sure. > > Secondly it does not matter whether so much whether > you use a particular > material or not, it's HOW the materials are put > together that matter. > Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's > packed if it gets dropped > six feet. I think you are stating my second point > from a different angle. I > wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt > confident... yes, > confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. > Probably an eight foot > drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure > for a business. It's not > hard to do but it takes a little work and more than > that it takes thought on > how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of items > around the world. > Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one > damaged in transit. ALl > of those packages were expected to withstand at > least a six foot drop. > > As an example, here is what I would do with a > small-medium sized > transmitter: > > 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped > in bubble-wrap and > shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get sent > separately in another > box. If you want you can in some case wrap that > stuff up and put it inside > but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. > > 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I > might need to make a > wooden support for the transformers. > > 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble wrap. > The one with the bigger > bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. > There should be at least a > couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. > > 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this > assembly into a box. Not a > bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and tape > before it goes in the > box. > > 5. Tape this box up. Tape it up GOOD. If heavy use > strapping tape as I > describe below. Now this is where many people would > stop. It looks like it's > ready to go, right? Well many people would ship this > out but it's not ready. > > 6. Get ANOTHER, larger box. ALlow for 3-4 inches in > every direction. In > between the two boxes you need some cushion. I > pesonally like peanuts but if > you use them they must be packed DENSELY. You want > the inner box to be able > to move a bit, but not much. Pack the peanuts in > there tight. Tape this box > up tight. Then get your strapping tape and wrap two > double bands of that in > each direction, each band about 25% of the way in > from the edge of the box. > If the box is long then I'd add two more bands in > that direction. The > strapping tape will prevent the box from bursting > should it be dropped on a > corner for instance. It's very strong stuff. > > You're done. > > Now if the transmitter is really large, or extra > heavy (say > 80 or 100lbs) > then you need to go to the next level and crate it. > Basically you follow the > steps above and then put that assembly into a box > that is made of plywood > with reinforced corners, etc. Making a suitable > crate is somewhat of an > art... a story for another day. > > If you follow those steps listed above you will be > able to drop that > transmitter 6-8 feet without any damage to the box > or the transmitter. It > will hit with a funny dull sounds and sort of bounce > (which is what you > want, thats' the energy being absorbed and deflected > not transferred to the > transmitter). > > 73, > > Mark W1EOF > > > > Could someone explain to me how radios were > shipped back in the > > 50's so tha
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
As people have stated, it's a combination of both. People cared more about their work back then and probably took better care in how they handled stuff. There was less pressure to "just get the stuff outta here" than now I'm sure. Secondly it does not matter whether so much whether you use a particular material or not, it's HOW the materials are put together that matter. Someone in a reply said it doesn't matter how it's packed if it gets dropped six feet. I think you are stating my second point from a different angle. I wouldn't send a Valiant out my door unless I felt confident... yes, confident that it could withstand a six foot drop. Probably an eight foot drop. That's not unusual and std packing procedure for a business. It's not hard to do but it takes a little work and more than that it takes thought on how it should be boxed. I've sent hundreds of items around the world. Fragile glass items. Heavy radios. I never had one damaged in transit. ALl of those packages were expected to withstand at least a six foot drop. As an example, here is what I would do with a small-medium sized transmitter: 1. Remove the tubes. They get individually wrapped in bubble-wrap and shipped separately. Any other loose pieces get sent separately in another box. If you want you can in some case wrap that stuff up and put it inside but if you want to be sure, pack it separate. 2. Depending on the tranmitter, it's value, etc I might need to make a wooden support for the transformers. 3. Wrap this up in both directions with bubble wrap. The one with the bigger bubbles, not the small-bubble kind. Tape it good. There should be at least a couple of inches of bubblewrap on every surface. 4. Using bubblewrap or high-density foam fit this assembly into a box. Not a bad idea to put it into a heavy garbage bag and tape before it goes in the box. 5. Tape this box up. Tape it up GOOD. If heavy use strapping tape as I describe below. Now this is where many people would stop. It looks like it's ready to go, right? Well many people would ship this out but it's not ready. 6. Get ANOTHER, larger box. ALlow for 3-4 inches in every direction. In between the two boxes you need some cushion. I pesonally like peanuts but if you use them they must be packed DENSELY. You want the inner box to be able to move a bit, but not much. Pack the peanuts in there tight. Tape this box up tight. Then get your strapping tape and wrap two double bands of that in each direction, each band about 25% of the way in from the edge of the box. If the box is long then I'd add two more bands in that direction. The strapping tape will prevent the box from bursting should it be dropped on a corner for instance. It's very strong stuff. You're done. Now if the transmitter is really large, or extra heavy (say > 80 or 100lbs) then you need to go to the next level and crate it. Basically you follow the steps above and then put that assembly into a box that is made of plywood with reinforced corners, etc. Making a suitable crate is somewhat of an art... a story for another day. If you follow those steps listed above you will be able to drop that transmitter 6-8 feet without any damage to the box or the transmitter. It will hit with a funny dull sounds and sort of bounce (which is what you want, thats' the energy being absorbed and deflected not transferred to the transmitter). 73, Mark W1EOF > Could someone explain to me how radios were shipped back in the > 50's so that > they arrived at the dealers with no apparent damage. I wonder what the > original packing was back then?
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> It would seem that the reason our "boatanchors" are damaged > in shipment is either (1) the manner in which these heavy radios > are packaged or (2) how the shipper handles the package - > perhaps, a little of both. It's certainly some of both, but in my experience MUCH more about (1) than (2). You can't throw a Valiant or a Globe Champ 300 into a used cardboard box with some packing nuts and a few sheets of insulation foam and then point a finger at UPS when something is damaged. On the other hand, even well protected, cushioned, crated and strapped to a pallet won't help if it gets dropped 6 feet off the back of a truck ... But the latter is less likely (either being dropped or being that well packed) than the former .. Grant/NQ5T
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
OOOPS Geoff already said it HI>>... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W5OMR/Geoff Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 7:28 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear david knepper wrote: > Could someone explain to me how radios were shipped back in the 50's > so that they arrived at the dealers with no apparent damage. I wonder > what the original packing was back then? You mean back in the days when people actually took pride in their work? -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
RE: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
Dave not to get a big discussion going here but back in the 50's people cared about there work and took pride in there work..Today people think you owe them a living and pride is a thing of the past,,... I know this to be a fact as I run a company with 42 employees The over 40 group cares the under 40 group could give two Hells or Damns about customer service and people... UPS and FedX are the total same... Bob W1Pe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david knepper Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 7:00 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear Could someone explain to me how radios were shipped back in the 50's so that they arrived at the dealers with no apparent damage. I wonder what the original packing was back then? With all the thousands of expensive solid-state transceivers, computers, etc. shipped today, I rarely ever hear of any of them getting damaged. I do know that they are cradled in styrofoam. It would seem that the reason our "boatanchors" are damaged in shipment is either the manner in which these heavy radios are packaged or how the shipper handles the package - perhaps, a little of both. How were Viking Valiants, etc. packaged by the manufacturer? I know that many of these early radios went by rail or motor freight before the advent of UPS and FedEx? Recently, I shipped a Collins 32V-3 transmitter to Chicago using FedEx services. The transmiter was carefully boxed and then enclosed in a wooden crate. It helps to have a neighbor that works for FedEx! Thanks Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - the CRA Website Now with PayPal CRA Nets: 3805 Khz every Monday at 8 PM EST and 14255 every Saturday at 12 Noon EST - Original Message - From: "Pieter Gerlach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear In response to some of the good ideas on how to and what to use to pack valuable pieces of equipment i want to relate my latest experiemce. It doesn't really matter what is used for packing if someone decides to open things up in the dying days of the "War on Drugs." I purchased A Viking Valiant from a fellow in Colombia who cardboard boxed with styrofoam and then wooden crated the old warrior. Presuming it was filled with cocaine or some other illegal substance either Colombian or Canadian Customs felt it had to be "stripped searched." When it arrived here at my home in Canada the wooden crate was shattered, the cardboard and styrofoam sheets were scattered and every nut, bolt, screw and every other fastener had been removed and not replaced and a few strips of tape were wrapped around the radio to hold things together. I took photos and refused to take possession and am now in the process of filing claims...probably for the next year and a half. I don't know if there is a message in this other than don't purchase radios from countries that bureaucrats and officialdom hold suspect for whatever reason. I still appreciate all the ideas some of the other subscribers have contributed. Pieter Gerlach VE1PPG __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] Packaging Radio Gear
david knepper wrote: Could someone explain to me how radios were shipped back in the 50's so that they arrived at the dealers with no apparent damage. I wonder what the original packing was back then? You mean back in the days when people actually took pride in their work? -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR
