Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hi John, I have nothing against people enjoying their hobby. But the RF spectrum is an internationally shared resource, sort of like a big public road. You can't just make up your own rules and start driving any way you want. In order for everyone to share and enjoy it, there have to be rules, just like a road has to have traffic laws. The rules are not there to spoil people's fun, they are there to facilitate shared access by lots of different users with lots of different needs. It would be nice if your friends could enjoy a hobby that didn't make the breaking of laws an essential ingredient. -W1GFH/6 In a message dated 8/21/02 4:56:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >No matter what hobby your into theres always somebody that wants to > >ruin it !! You run RC Airplane/ boats the noise is to much.. You play with > >jet ski's some doesn't like it. You paint your house the wrong color the > >neighborhood police are on you It goes on & on Can't people just > >do ther own thing & let other do their's ??? I know a lot of the brother's > >on Channel 6 CB The just go out & RF drag race , have a cook out , > >dance, talk , and have fun. then go home ..they don't harm anyone > >and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called > >appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, they >have > >known about all the RF shootouts for 20 years, believe me it's no secret > >I have even seen them at the shootouts walking around looking !!! > > > >John
RE: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
> and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called > appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, Well, I take exception to the idea that building a huge class C amp, is any kind of innovation. It would be nice if they channeled some of that technical interest into more ham-oriented pursuits. As far as appliance operators are concerned, I imagine that no one on this list has much sympathy for them either! That said, I certainly have no problems with competition, whether it's RF or smokeless powder! In fact, I find the whole idea - huge alternator chains, Chevy Suburbans filled with batteries and multi-"pill" amps quite amusing. Personally, I don't care what CB'ers do on 27.025. I just don't want to suffer from the trash and hash that some of these amps produce. When 10M is open on any given weekend, I can hear all kinds of spurs and trash travelling up and down the band. A quick check usually traces it down to "the Superbowl", and the usual gang of ghost talkers. Anyway, the real issue isn't huge monstrous amps, but the so-called 10-meter radios and their users. Again, another caveat: some of those 10-M radios are quite good. There are a few interesting real amateur rigs, such as the "Spitfire 454" all-mode hand-held HF talkie (12 - 10 M). I have one, and it's a cute lil' rig. They also have the mobile version, Magnum 257, which covers 12-10M, repeater splits, all mode, and a decent 30W output. http://www.copper.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?catalogSTORE:CKIE:pr odP03-01000+ Too bad they don't market such decent little rigs to the real hams. Oh well. 73, Ed - VA3ES
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
No matter what hobby your into theres always somebody that wants to ruin it !! You run RC Airplane/ boats the noise is to much.. You play with jet ski's some doesn't like it. You paint your house the wrong color the neighborhood police are on you It goes on & on Can't people just do ther own thing & let other do their's ??? I know a lot of the brother's on Channel 6 CB The just go out & RF drag race , have a cook out , dance, talk , and have fun. then go home ..they don't harm anyone and to tell you the truth they are way more innovating than the so called appliance hams..Thats why the FCC has done nothing about it, they have known about all the RF shootouts for 20 years, believe me it's no secret I have even seen them at the shootouts walking around looking !!! John
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Last year this was sent to Riley, FCC, Congressmen, newspapers, etc. It gave location, time and date of a "keydown" to authorities a month in advance of the event. Nothing was ever done by any agency. On 12 Oct. 2001, there will be an event that I feel should be brought to your attention. It's called a "keydown", and is effectively a radio-frequency drag-race between "outlaw" CB radio operators. The purpose is to see who can produce the most radio power from their vehicle. Power levels often exceed those of broadcast stations (up to 70,000 watts), but without the engineering skills to eliminate interference. What makes this event notable is that it's within spitting distance of the US Capitol - a site ringed with tactical communications systems - and currently in a heightened state of alert. The keydown is expected to create potential RF interference hazards to military, government, and public safety agencies in the Washington Metropolitain area, including commercial broadcasters. TV and FM broadcast stations are part of the EAS (Emergency Alert System) and high frequency users in the Public Safety Pool (Police, Fire, some ground-to-air and air ambulance services, and many private services) will likely receive interference. The keydown organizers call themselves the UCBWC (The United CB'ers of Watergate City). Participants come from all over the USA. Identities and details of the keydown locations are usually kept secret. For example, attendees of the Oct. 12 event book advance reservations at the Ramada Inn in New Carrollton, MD, but are not told where competing mobile CB setups will face-off until the last minute. Even suppliers of equipment used in the illegal setups prefer to stay anonymous. One company called "NoName", based in Waldorf, MD, employs elaborate deceptions and disclaimers to avoid possible FCC prosecution. *Note: The location of the keydown has now been verified. It was obtained by calling the phone numbers listed on the UCBWC web page. Time: 11 AM Location: Tracey's Park/Tracey's Elementary 20 Deale Road, Tracys Landing, MD 20779 Unlike ham operators who are licensed by the FCC, must pass technical tests, and are generally self-policing, the keydown competitors are 'outlaws' who operate completely outside of FCC rules. External amplifiers are strictly forbidden to CBers, and under The US Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Telecommunication the penalties for noncompliance include fines up to $20,000 and jail terms. But CB is virtually unregulated and unenforced. When the CB boom of the 1970's hit, the FCC could no longer cope with the sudden influx of millions of CB users, and now the FCC only intervenes in extreme cases. One attempt to stop routine interference from illegal CB operators recently came in the form of H.R. 2346, which became law in September of 2000. It authorizes the enforcement by State and local governments of certain FCC regulations regarding use of citizens band radio equipment. For more information, contact - (Contact name and phone numbers) Or visit - UCBWC SITE (http://www.angelfire.com/md/ucbwc/) KEYDOWNS (http://www.bigradios.com/) (http://www.keydowns.com/) NONAME AMPLIFIERS (http://www.angelfire.com/md3/nonameamps/ampspecs.html) FCC REGULATIONS FOR CB (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/47cfr95_00.html) HR2346 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02346:)
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
yes nail them GO RILEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, Please...BE MY GUEST!!! 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.--- ___ AMRadio mailing list AMRadio@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio DAVID A. PETERS KB9EWG CONTROL OPERATOR FOR THE WX9CMN 442.475+ REPEATER MASA SKYWARN LIAISON STATION FOR THE 146.910- K9IZV REPEATER SEVERE WEATHER NETS STORM SPOTTING IS LOOKING UP - Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Myself and others have tried and tried to get some action over this. We have sent countless e-mails to the "investigations" unit of ebay. No change. I and others have addressed the ARRL to take some kind of stand or action on this problem. They don't even answer email let alone do anything. We have sent email and examples of advertising to the FCC with no answer either. I guess it's just too much of a problem that all the above cant figure how to enforce the laws. When I was driving over the road, it was common knowledge where you could buy wide band amps up to 500 watts for CB. Plug and play, cash only. Under "ham radio" on ebay amps are blatantly listed as "base amps", or "ham radio amps". But specific questions to the sellers are rarely answered. One guy(shack_supplies_plus)imports them from Mexico or Spain. He does not allow any feedback to be shown and does not give a location. He also has automated e-mail that answers nothing when you send an inquirey. Anyway, I bought one just to make sure I had my facts straight. It was set up to transmit about 80 watts AM from about 20 MHz to 25 MHz. The guy sent along a piece of paper that gave a web site. That web site shows how to move a jumper plug over one pin, and your on the CB band. A check with my stuff here and sure enough, 80 watts from 3 to 4 on 19. Plus all KINDS of harmonics up and down the band. This was a little "cheepy" amp, but the guy also sold them on ebay up to 500 watts. You see a lot of the common names that everyone KNOWS are CB amps. Star Bright and Palomar are the most common. And, this is only the tiniest tip of the ice burg. I wonder how many hams have been ragged because of TVI, BCI, telephone interference and who knows what else, by folks with these amps in the area. They are very cheap and easy to make. I don't know how the law is going to do much about it, or they would have already by now. If it were only a few infractions, they could chase a couple down and make examples maybe, but I submit that there are THOUSANDS of these devices in use. Take a look at these items currently selling now as we speak on ebay.1375120931 , 1374519437 ,1374954044,1374119655 . These are ALL CB amps.AL/W8FAX AL/W8FAX --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Thanks, I had it here but couldn't find it. 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hi, Please...BE MY GUEST!!! 73, John, W4AWM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. Please post in Plain-Text only.---
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Try Riley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73 Vince ka1iic -.--. On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi Riley, > > Please check these guys out. I am willing to bet a 30S-1 they don't ask for a > foreign passport when someone wante to purchase an illegal amp! > > http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html";>Click here: > keydowns.page > > Thanks and 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >
Re: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH
Hello John, Mind if I use this e mail to help start more fuss with FCC ? Will also start another discussion on QRZ. Tom - K0PJG - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Check out keydowns.page ATTENTION: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH > > Hi Riley, > > Please check these guys out. I am willing to bet a 30S-1 they don't ask for a > foreign passport when someone wante to purchase an illegal amp! > > http://www.cbrelectronics.com/keydowns.html";>Click here: keydowns.page > > Thanks and 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > The reason this message is shown is because the post was in HTML > or had an attachment. Attachments are not allowed. > Please post in Plain-Text only.--- > ___ > AMRadio mailing list > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio
