[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak
It doesn't. But it speaks to what many are feeling - well, speaking for myself at least - that it would be a really good idea, politically, that when ARISSat-1 gets an Oscar number, it should have an AO-prefix, not an RS-prefix. There, it's been said. Greg KO6TH Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:17:23 + From: ni...@ngunn.net To: k7trkra...@charter.net CC: sa...@amsat.org; amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org; apbid...@mailaps.org Subject: [sarex] Re: [amsat-bb] Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak Why does it need to change. On 08/05/2011 07:47 PM, Ted wrote: Just updated my HRD Sat program and it now lists keps for 'Radioscaf-B'. (no ARRISat-1' listing) Will that eventually change? Ted K7TRK Sent via sa...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/sarex ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak
As many have said before. Perhaps we should get away from the American system of allocating Oscar numbers and use the real world name that the builders and launch agencies use. On 08/05/2011 08:49 PM, Greg D. wrote: It doesn't. But it speaks to what many are feeling - well, speaking for myself at least - that it would be a really good idea, politically, that when ARISSat-1 gets an Oscar number, it should have an AO-prefix, not an RS-prefix. There, it's been said. Greg KO6TH ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak
'use the real world name that the builders and launch agencies use.' Then how do you decide who gets the right to name? The builder? Or the 'launcher'? Yaesu builds a radio in Japan and sells it in the USA. It's still called a Yaesu. The name does not change because it came here on a Maersk cargo ship. It does not become a 'Maersk' does it? Americans built it. They should have the naming rights. Just because some Russians threw it off their space ship does not give them the right to name it (it just gives them the right to break it!) K7TRK -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:15 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: sa...@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak As many have said before. Perhaps we should get away from the American system of allocating Oscar numbers and use the real world name that the builders and launch agencies use. On 08/05/2011 08:49 PM, Greg D. wrote: It doesn't. But it speaks to what many are feeling - well, speaking for myself at least - that it would be a really good idea, politically, that when ARISSat-1 gets an Oscar number, it should have an AO-prefix, not an RS-prefix. There, it's been said. Greg KO6TH ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak
On 8/5/11 2:14 PM, Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF wrote: As many have said before. Perhaps we should get away from the American system of allocating Oscar numbers and use the real world name that the builders and launch agencies use. It's longstanding tradition to give a spacecraft a pre-launch name and then assign it another once it successfully reaches orbit. To minimize the confusion, the pre-launch name usually ends with a letter from a sequence while the orbital name ends with a sequential number. This tradition dates from the days when launch vehicles were rather unreliable and many spacecraft didn't make it to space. Thus holes in the numerical sequence were avoided. E.g., the weather satellite NOAA-E became NOAA-8 when launched in 1983. Phase 3-B became AMSAT-Oscar-10 when it was launched in 1983. Phase 3-D became AMSAT-Oscar-40, and so on. But Phase 3-A, which was lost in the launch failure of Ariane L-02 in 1980, never received an Oscar number because it did not reach orbit. We do seem to have a lot of names for this one. So far we have: ARISSat-1 [i.e., Amateur Radio on the International Space station, Satellite #1] RadioSKAF-B (РАДИО СКАФ-B) Cedar (Кедр) Does anyone know if it'll also get an Oscar number? 73, Phil, KA9Q ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak
On 8/5/11 2:33 PM, Ted wrote: Americans built it. They should have the naming rights. Just because some Russians threw it off their space ship does not give them the right to name it (it just gives them the right to break it!) Americans built the spacecraft BUS. That's most of the spacecraft, but not all of it. It is also carrying a scientific experiment built by Russian university students. This is a highly significant part of the spacecraft in that it formed much of the justification for the Russians to agree to launch it. And no, I don't consider the launch of a satellite equivalent to a trip on a container ship. Value-wise, even a launch to LEO is literally worth its weight in gold. It is an extremely valuable service and one well worth some delays, inconveniences -- and bumps -- to get. Phil, KA9Q ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
