[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11
On 8/22/11 9:18 PM, Greg D. wrote: Ah, interesting. So, values around +/- 0 mean that the battery is (or thinks it is) fully charged, and the satellite is running on just the solar panels. Since that happens pretty quickly after start-up (low MET values), that certainly supports the conclusion that the battery has nearly zero capacity left in it. But if it's fully charged, there must be something else going on I think it supports the conclusion that the battery has become an open circuit. The voltage wouldn't get that high if multiple cells had shorted. This is lucky for us since the satellite can continue to operate on the solar panels when lit. I'm really beginning to think about new ideas for satellite power systems, especially Lou McFaddin's idea (published some years ago at the Symposium) for a modular power system with a parallel bus. Each battery is in a module with its own microprocessor and DC-DC converter to match the standard bus voltage, and each is designed to remove itself from the bus when its battery fails. What's nice about this is that it's very easy to combine different battery technologies and even supercaps and have the system degrade gracefully over time. The computer would keep track of the total available capacity, and at first it could operate all systems normally through eclipse. As modules fail, it would shut down non-essential systems one by one as necessary during during eclipse until the sun reappears. The highest priority load would be the IHU memory. With some supercaps in the mix it should always be able to keep the computer alive. That would avoid a lot of spurious computer resets and associated loss of information like recorded telemetry and store-and-forward messages. -Phil, KA9Q ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11
Hi Greg, That sounds like a great project for a telemetry Sherlock! 73, Tony AA2TX --- On 8/23/2011 12:18 AM, Greg D. wrote: Ah, interesting. So, values around +/- 0 mean that the battery is (or thinks it is) fully charged, and the satellite is running on just the solar panels. Since that happens pretty quickly after start-up (low MET values), that certainly supports the conclusion that the battery has nearly zero capacity left in it. But if it's fully charged, there must be something else going on, because I've heard passes where the satellite appears to be in high power mode - several voice, SSTV, and telemetry segments back-to-back - then suddenly turns off after one of the segments. This is where the reported battery voltage has remained in the mid- to high-35 volts range, consistent with high power operation. Did the satellite happen to spin to a less favorable angle for a moment between telemetry readings, causing the low power mode threshold to trip? Playing Armchair Sherlock, Greg KO6TH Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:41:29 -0400 From: aa...@comcast.net To: ko6th_g...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11 Hi Greg, The battery current is not really negative under these conditions. This is just a small drift in the zero point of the measurement. 73, Tony AA2TX --- ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11
Hi Greg, The battery current is not really negative under these conditions. This is just a small drift in the zero point of the measurement. 73, Tony AA2TX --- On 8/20/2011 8:42 PM, Greg D. wrote: Hii all, ARISSAt-1 voice telemetry just now: 00:27z 8/21/2011 received at CM98 MET 42 min IHU Temp = +30c Control panel temp = +20c Battery 3??? (lost to QSB) Battery current ??? ma SSTV picture followed (a real one this time, not pre-recorded!), then off. 00:29z 8/21/2011 received at CM98 MET = 45 min IHU Temp = +31c Control panel temp = +20c Battery 35.66v Battery current -8ma This was followed by 2 min off, and another voice announcement, children chanting, and then off again to LOS. So, a question... Why, when the spacecraft is in full sun, is the battery current negative? I'm guessing that there some orientations that will not supply sufficient power for operations. If so, what happens when we lose the battery altogether? Reset? Or is there a shedding of load first when the voltage drops? Greg KO6TH ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11
Ah, interesting. So, values around +/- 0 mean that the battery is (or thinks it is) fully charged, and the satellite is running on just the solar panels. Since that happens pretty quickly after start-up (low MET values), that certainly supports the conclusion that the battery has nearly zero capacity left in it. But if it's fully charged, there must be something else going on, because I've heard passes where the satellite appears to be in high power mode - several voice, SSTV, and telemetry segments back-to-back - then suddenly turns off after one of the segments. This is where the reported battery voltage has remained in the mid- to high-35 volts range, consistent with high power operation. Did the satellite happen to spin to a less favorable angle for a moment between telemetry readings, causing the low power mode threshold to trip? Playing Armchair Sherlock, Greg KO6TH Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:41:29 -0400 From: aa...@comcast.net To: ko6th_g...@hotmail.com CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11 Hi Greg, The battery current is not really negative under these conditions. This is just a small drift in the zero point of the measurement. 73, Tony AA2TX --- ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
