[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies (range gain)

2013-05-16 Thread Fabio Azzarello
Hi all,
1 or 2 degree per second is an educated guess for almost all passes.
If the pass is over head the speed will increase up to 4/5 degree per
second (as maximum value), such a speed is not achievable by all rotators.

Hope that helps,
73s

Fabio
IZ5XRC
www.amsat.it






On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote:

 One needs to also realize duration.  The time say above 70 degree
 elevation (where rates are highest) are less than 2% of the total pass
 times.  Not worth worrying about.  Similarly, a LEO satellite spends 70%
 of its time below about 22 degrees.  (but it is far away and needs max
 gain).  So simply design for the best operation for most of the time when
 the link will work.

 Remember, the satellite is  3000 km away on the horizon and very weak, but
 as it gets into say 1500 km it is twice as close and 4 times (6 dB)
 stonger which is a heck of a lot of gain.  When it goes directly overhead
 it is another 6 dB closer which is more than *ten* times the signal on the
 horizon, so don't worry about the 2% of the time it is going to be above
 70 degrees.  The signa is 10 times stronger and easy to deal with.

 Bob, WB4APR

 -Original Message-
 From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
 Behalf Of Art McBride
 Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:44 AM
 To: 'Roger'; amsat-bb@amsat.org
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies

 Roger,
 A SWAG, (Wild Guess) 1 degree per second at a Zenith of 90 degrees.
 Anything less than 90 degrees will be slower with several minutes spent
 near the horizon. You can use an orbital program to get exact numbers.
 With a wide beam width antenna, the lag overhead may never require the
 antenna to move with the object, as there will be time for the antenna
 system to catch up after passing overhead.
 Art,
 KC6UQH

 -Original Message-
 From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
 Behalf Of Roger
 Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:34 PM
 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies

 Anybody off the top of their heads know how many degrees a second swing
 are (is?) required for direct aim at the ISS?  I know there are beam width
 tolerances, altitude variations and degree above horizon variations but
 I'm looking at Bob B's fixed antenna aiming of 15-20 degrees above horizon
 to evaluate swinging a dish without torque eating up the drive train...

 Roger
 WA1KAT
 On 5/12/2013 5:01 PM, M5AKA wrote:
  The AMSAT-UK page at
  http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/
 provides the links, they are:
 
  Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject
 
  More information at
  http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf
  and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf
 
  The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of
 coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the
 antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient.
 
  I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for
  June
 5.
 
  73 Trevor M5AKA
 
 

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[amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies (range gain)

2013-05-13 Thread Robert Bruninga
One needs to also realize duration.  The time say above 70 degree
elevation (where rates are highest) are less than 2% of the total pass
times.  Not worth worrying about.  Similarly, a LEO satellite spends 70%
of its time below about 22 degrees.  (but it is far away and needs max
gain).  So simply design for the best operation for most of the time when
the link will work.

Remember, the satellite is  3000 km away on the horizon and very weak, but
as it gets into say 1500 km it is twice as close and 4 times (6 dB)
stonger which is a heck of a lot of gain.  When it goes directly overhead
it is another 6 dB closer which is more than *ten* times the signal on the
horizon, so don't worry about the 2% of the time it is going to be above
70 degrees.  The signa is 10 times stronger and easy to deal with.

Bob, WB4APR

-Original Message-
From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Art McBride
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:44 AM
To: 'Roger'; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies

Roger,
A SWAG, (Wild Guess) 1 degree per second at a Zenith of 90 degrees.
Anything less than 90 degrees will be slower with several minutes spent
near the horizon. You can use an orbital program to get exact numbers.
With a wide beam width antenna, the lag overhead may never require the
antenna to move with the object, as there will be time for the antenna
system to catch up after passing overhead.
Art,
KC6UQH

-Original Message-
From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Roger
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 2:34 PM
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS HamTV Frequencies

Anybody off the top of their heads know how many degrees a second swing
are (is?) required for direct aim at the ISS?  I know there are beam width
tolerances, altitude variations and degree above horizon variations but
I'm looking at Bob B's fixed antenna aiming of 15-20 degrees above horizon
to evaluate swinging a dish without torque eating up the drive train...

Roger
WA1KAT
On 5/12/2013 5:01 PM, M5AKA wrote:
 The AMSAT-UK page at
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/05/12/hamtv-from-the-iss/
provides the links, they are:

 Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Hamtvproject

 More information at
 http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV_brochure.pdf
 and http://www.amsat.it/Amsat-Italia_HamTV.pdf

 The HamTV.pdf gives the link budget, looks like there's 7dB of
coax/connector losses to overcome between the ISS transmitter and the
antenna. That document indicates a 90cm dish should be sufficient.

 I believe that it's going up on ATV 4 which is currently slated for
 June
5.

 73 Trevor M5AKA



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