[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
On 9 Aug 2011 at 19:45, Floyd Rodgers wrote: Date sent: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:45:23 -0500 From: Floyd Rodgers kc5...@swbell.net Subject:[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps Copies to: 'AMSAT-BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org There is also another possible issue to consider in that the 847 when first powered up sends a full power transmit for a very short time. Could be this is the missing link explaining why i burn 2 preamp in the past? but i always put the power knob at minimum when i turned off the 847. I will have to test it as i measure about 5W even if the RF power is set to 0!! Full power i'm not sure but even 5W is enough to kill a preamp - Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
There is also another possible issue to consider in that the 847 when first powered up sends a full power transmit for a very short time. As does all those 800-series YAESUs... 8-( Very bad ALC-circuit. Some of them having longer delay -- longer pulse out. Could be this is the missing link explaining why i burn 2 preamp in the past? but i always put the power knob at minimum when i turned off the 847. I will have to test it as i measure about 5W even if the RF power is set to 0!! Full power i'm not sure but even 5W is enough to kill a preamp Luc Leblanc VE2DWE -jari oh3uw ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
Sebastian, The bias T is for powering up the preamp if you didn't have the radio that supplied power. I have these preamps and work well with my IC-910 when I use them. Good Luck, Dee, NB2F -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian, W4AS Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:31 PM To: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
Dont know about those particular ones, but I am using a pair of Dressler mast mounted pre-amps with the 847. I supply the 12 V via the coax and they perform beautifully. Cheers, Andreas - VK4FHAW --- On Tue, 9/8/11, Sebastian, W4AS w...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Sebastian, W4AS w...@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps To: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Received: Tuesday, 9 August, 2011, 4:30 AM Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
My thanks to everyone who has responded. 4 out of 4 say it's ok to use the 847 to power the preamp. I put up the 432 one today, but with the KP2 control box, just in case. But I will go ahead and remove the box, and let the 847 power it. One interesting response was to be careful if there is anything inline between the rig and preamp. Lightning protection, or even an SWR power meter, could affect the sending of voltage. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Lowell White wrote: Hi Sebastian, I'll be interested in knowing that also... thanks for asking. I also have an FT-847 in my stable and have the KP2/2m on my soon to acquire list. 73, Lowell K9LDW -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:34:22 AM CDT From: Sebastian, W4AS w...@bellsouth.net To: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
I agree on the possibility of some line loss to the unit. The longer the coax run the more problems you may have with it properly switching. I found this to be especially true of the early models of the Mirage mast mounted preamps. Even the power T can be a problem if the wire run is long. Presently, I am using my unit on the IC-910 without any problems, but the coax run is less than 50' of 9913. I would recommend holding onto the KP-2 for awhile. If the rig is border lined with the output voltage being around 12 volts instead of around 13.8 volts, there could be enough loss (even .5 volts) can cause erratic operation. Using the KP-2 allows you to use a separate voltage allowing sufficient amount to the preamp. Reid, W4UPD On 8/9/2011 7:41 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote: My thanks to everyone who has responded. 4 out of 4 say it's ok to use the 847 to power the preamp. I put up the 432 one today, but with the KP2 control box, just in case. But I will go ahead and remove the box, and let the 847 power it. One interesting response was to be careful if there is anything inline between the rig and preamp. Lightning protection, or even an SWR power meter, could affect the sending of voltage. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Lowell White wrote: Hi Sebastian, I'll be interested in knowing that also... thanks for asking. I also have an FT-847 in my stable and have the KP2/2m on my soon to acquire list. 73, Lowell K9LDW -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:34:22 AM CDT From: Sebastian, W4ASw...@bellsouth.net To: AMSAT-BBamsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
On this, would it be possible to power preamps for 70cm and 2m through coax if the antennas are split using a diplexer? Or would 12v go to both on TX and fry one of them? Tim K6TW -Original Message- From: Sebastian, W4AS [mailto:w...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:41 PM To: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps My thanks to everyone who has responded. 4 out of 4 say it's ok to use the 847 to power the preamp. I put up the 432 one today, but with the KP2 control box, just in case. But I will go ahead and remove the box, and let the 847 power it. One interesting response was to be careful if there is anything inline between the rig and preamp. Lightning protection, or even an SWR power meter, could affect the sending of voltage. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Lowell White wrote: Hi Sebastian, I'll be interested in knowing that also... thanks for asking. I also have an FT-847 in my stable and have the KP2/2m on my soon to acquire list. 73, Lowell K9LDW -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:34:22 AM CDT From: Sebastian, W4AS w...@bellsouth.net To: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps
Look carefully at the power consumption on the preamp. If it is less than the max for the 847 (which I forget the maximum current), you could use it powered from the radio. BUT pay careful attention that anything between the radio and the preamp does not provide a dead short from center conductor to shield. In my case a lightning protection part shows as a dead short. This would of course zap the internal power supply parts in the 847. In my case, I just provide external power and hard key the preamp from the radio. (The preamp is actually in the shack not on the tower.) Another problem in my install is I am using a pair of duplexers to combine the 2m and 70cm to run in a section of 7/8 hardline. The 2m ports pass voltage. The 70cm ports do not and present yet another short circuit on the coax. I do this arrangement to gain the low loss for a 150 foot run to the tower base. I also benefit using this technique to avoid interference problems between 70cm and 2m. This gets me about 120db of isolation between the two ports. There is also another possible issue to consider in that the 847 when first powered up sends a full power transmit for a very short time. Also another stupid pet trick is never plug into the data port when the radio is on. Seems simple, but when the tip/sleeve/ring cross the right contacts, a full power transmit occurs. Yup, cost me my best preamp while playing the Arecibo EME fun a while back. On 8/9/2011 7:07 PM, Tim Goodrich wrote: On this, would it be possible to power preamps for 70cm and 2m through coax if the antennas are split using a diplexer? Or would 12v go to both on TX and fry one of them? Tim K6TW -Original Message- From: Sebastian, W4AS [mailto:w...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:41 PM To: AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Mirage preamps My thanks to everyone who has responded. 4 out of 4 say it's ok to use the 847 to power the preamp. I put up the 432 one today, but with the KP2 control box, just in case. But I will go ahead and remove the box, and let the 847 power it. One interesting response was to be careful if there is anything inline between the rig and preamp. Lightning protection, or even an SWR power meter, could affect the sending of voltage. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Aug 9, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Lowell White wrote: Hi Sebastian, I'll be interested in knowing that also... thanks for asking. I also have an FT-847 in my stable and have the KP2/2m on my soon to acquire list. 73, Lowell K9LDW -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:34:22 AM CDT From: Sebastian, W4ASw...@bellsouth.net To: AMSAT-BBamsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Mirage preamps Before I destroy these, is anyone using Mirage KP-2 mast mounted preamps with a Yaesu FT-847? I picked up a couple of them recently, and they came with the control box (which appears to be a bias tee) that supplies 12 volts via the coax line, in order to power them. The FT-847 can already supply 12 volts up the coax to mast mounted preamps; but I wonder if these Mirage preamps require the use of the control box for some reason. I would prefer to use the rig to power the preamps, but the manual doesn't mention that option. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
