This is interesting; I've learned stuff because of this.
Not that it's practical, but what could Hubble see? The first question
would be can it be positioned to stare down, and then how well
would it see something that close and fast?
--STeve Andre'
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On Thursday 15 October 2009 08:57:59 Tim - N3TL wrote:
Please see Page 19 of the May-June 2008 issue of The AMSAT Journal.
Patrick Seitzer, WA4DSR, provided a photo of AO-40 taken by the University of
Michigan's Curtis-Schmidt Telescope at Cerro Tololo Inter-American
Observatory in Chile. Following is information from a University of Michigan
Web page about the telescope:
The Curtis-Schmidt telescope is a 0.61 meter aperture f/3.5 Schmidt
telescope located at the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory, about 500
km north of Santiago, Chile. This telescope was originally installed at the
University of Michigan's Portage Lake Observatory in 1950, and moved to the
much clearer skies of north central Chile in 1966.
It is named for Heber D. Curtis, Director of the University of Michigan
Observatories from 1930 until 1942.
The telescope is dedicated to optical studies of artificial space debris for
NASA's Orbital Debris Program Office at the Johnson Space Center. Projects
include optical surveys for debris and follow-up observations to determine
orbits and photometric properties of recently discovered debris.
If you find the Journal photo, you'll see a field with dozens of blurred
stars and one sharp litttle white dot, which is AO-40. I believe it's safe
to say that obtaining an image with the detail necessary to try assess damage
is impossible.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
From: Mark VandeWettering kf6...@gmail.com
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:57:40 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] On the possibility of imaging AO-40 with earth bound
telescopes...
Has there been any serious attempt to take a photograph of the damaged
bird using ground based optical telescopes while it is in sunlight ?
It's not going to work. AO-40 just isn't big enough. For fun,
let's worth through
some of the details.
With modern telescopes such as
http://www.refractortelescopes.co.uk/reviews/orion/orion-shorttube-80-a-refractor-telescope/
or similiar and a modern digital camera and a known RA/DEC co-ordinate
of the satellite at any point in its orbit, it should be possible get
a fairly decent picture of what is still up there...
Note RA / DEC are astronomy co-ordinates which should be able to be
calculated from AZ/EL or TLE, but I may not be able to do it myself.
We don't need to track it, but just to image it in several consecutive
frames. From: http://www.emergentspace.com/pubs/AIAA_GNC_2002_AMSAT_A040.pdf
Table 1. Nominal Orbit Parameters for AO-40
Orbit Parameter Value
Semimajor Axis (km) 36,245
Perigee Height (km) 1,042
Apogee Height (km) 58,691
Eccentricity 0.797
Inclination (deg) 6.04
Period (hours) 19.1
Let's look at a couple of potential telescopes. The short tube
refractor that you linked to has an 80 mm (roughly 3 inch) aperature.
According to the Rayleigh criterion, that scope should be able to
resolve angles as small as about 1.5 arc seconds. At perigee, the
resolving power is 1042000 * tan(1.5 arc seconds), or about 7.5 meters
(or 25 feet). To increase the resolution by a factor of 2, you need
to to double the aperature. To get resolutions down to 1/2 a foot,
you need an aperature 50x larger, or 150 inches.
This doesn't take into account any effects of atmosphere either.
it's actually fairly rare to get sub arcsecond resolution from any
earthbound telescope without using adaptive optics.. This limits the
practicality of high resolution imaging.
Impressive photos of the space shuttle, ISS and HST have been taken
using amateur equipment, but these objects are both closer and an
order of magnitude larger than AO-40. While we might be able to
measure spin rate and the like by measuring the brightness curve,
actual imaging of the satellite isn't likely.
73 Mark K6HX
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