[amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was watching the stream, it sure looked like they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that these spacewalks don't occur every day tells me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks responsible did not have their act together and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's not like we're talking about a software bug that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking about an external, visible and physical thing. Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what percentage doesn't really matter) and the satellite does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality because either it was damaged during the deployment or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more important what's the follow up to this? I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission. The communication between the two seemed a bit .. well let's say unprofessional. Cheers, Mike K5TRI On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote: > No .. Linear .. Transponder ! > > Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos for a > job well done. > > VK4FHAW > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
The only thing that comes to mind when people act or perform the way they do is when there is no accountablility or competition. With the shuttle now in mothballs, a monopoly getting into space has already settled in. Just look at the statement made by Russian officials how they planned on "sinking" the ISS by 2020. They recanted later, through some tactical convincing, and claimed it was all a misunderstanding or misquote. Yea, right. Get use to it people, this is just starting. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "Michael Schulz" To: "AMSAT BB" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ... > So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was > watching the stream, it sure looked like > they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that > these spacewalks don't occur every day tells > me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks > responsible did not have their act together > and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's > not like we're talking about a software bug > that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking > about an external, visible and physical thing. > > Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what > percentage doesn't really matter) and the satellite > does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality > because either it was damaged during the deployment > or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more > important what's the follow up to this? > > I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission. > The communication between the two seemed a > bit .. well let's say unprofessional. > > Cheers, > Mike K5TRI > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote: > >> No .. Linear .. Transponder ! >> >> Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos >> for a job well done. >> >> VK4FHAW >> ___ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
As I think on this more, this is classic diplomacy in action. We, the ham community are going to need to do a polite dance around issues like roughness, etc. The answer about refunding is that no one will. If we crab loudly enough, it will not be possible to do more things like this. IF we paid full freight, then yes we'd have more of a 'right', but I'll bet that entities who have experiments done have some sort of clause in their agreement which indemnifies the ISS if things go wrong. The effort for this can't be less than $500,000 if you totaled it up. Space is still a very experimental workplace. ...How long did the various US astronauts train for Hubble missions? I'm not excusing rough or really careless handing, but things happen. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en72 On 08/03/11 17:15, Michael Schulz wrote: > So let me play devils advocate here for a second or three. When I was > watching the stream, it sure looked like > they didn't really give a rats ass about the satellite. The fact that these > spacewalks don't occur every day tells > me that there's some effort behind them. So how can it be that the folks > responsible did not have their act together > and check something truly obvious like .. uhm .. an antenna? I mean it's not > like we're talking about a software bug > that only could've been uncovered after it was all done. No, we're talking > about an external, visible and physical thing. > > Now here's the rub. If AMSAT paid for it (to which degree and what percentage > doesn't really matter) and the satellite > does not have the desired and expected (and paid for) functionality because > either it was damaged during the deployment > or before (also doesn't really matter) who will refund AMSAT? Even more > important what's the follow up to this? > > I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission. The > communication between the two seemed a > bit .. well let's say unprofessional. > > Cheers, > Mike K5TRI > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Andy Kellner wrote: > >> No .. Linear .. Transponder ! >> >> Thank you very much Alexander Samokutyaev, Sergei Volkov and Roscosmos for a >> job well done. >> >> VK4FHAW >> ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
Very unprofessional, i'm sure others also noticed how they couldn't even follow basic instructions about not clipping both safety harness onto the one grab rail. If they cant even follow basic instructions such as this, I am totally baffled how they were selected for the progress 28 let alone a very important EVA No doubt some of this is down to translation, but it sure sounded like on quite a few occasions the cosmonauts were just disregarding instructions from ground control, it also sounded like there were quite a few disagreements and some heated words between them. Truly unprofessional, I seriously doubt it would have gone like this if it had been a NASA spacewalk. Well, we're stuck with it, an expensive lesson learned. - Don't let the ruskies anywhere near P-3E! Anyone manage to hit the transponder on UHF yet? 73 Pete 2i0VAX > > I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission. The > communication between the two seemed a > bit .. well let's say unprofessional. > > Cheers, > Mike K5TRI ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ...
Hello Pete , I followed nasatv ARRISsat unprofessional I have to say I agree with you seemed ridiculous to me when I heard that was missing the antenna of 70cm. P3E support !! 73 Roberto de iw5bsf - Original Message - From: "P.H." To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:58 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Three Words ... > Very unprofessional, i'm sure others also noticed how they couldn't > even follow basic instructions about not clipping both safety harness > onto the one grab rail. > If they cant even follow basic instructions such as this, I am totally > baffled how they were selected for the progress 28 let alone a very > important EVA > > No doubt some of this is down to translation, but it sure sounded like > on quite a few occasions the cosmonauts were just disregarding > instructions from ground control, it also sounded like there were > quite a few disagreements and some heated words between them. > > Truly unprofessional, I seriously doubt it would have gone like this > if it had been a NASA spacewalk. > > Well, we're stuck with it, an expensive lesson learned. - Don't let > the ruskies anywhere near P-3E! > > Anyone manage to hit the transponder on UHF yet? > > 73 > > Pete > > 2i0VAX >> >> I sure did not get the impression that it was a well coordinated mission. >> The communication between the two seemed a >> bit .. well let's say unprofessional. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike K5TRI > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
