[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector

2009-10-28 Thread Rocky Jones

There are two neat concepts from the early days of communications experiments 
using satellites and Echo is one of them (the other is SCORE).

There were a lot of ideas for follow on echos...one used a gravity gradient 
pole to stop the balloon from spinning and keeping it pointed to the earth, 
allowing a directional reflector to be installed in the balloon...another used 
a radar reflector like concept inside the balloon to increase the amount of DB 
that returned...

The problems were large however.  Doppler shift and tracking were issues at 
the time (and probably still are)..the antennas were going to have to be large 
(really large).

My elmer in Dallas when he was in the USAF did some radar experiments with 
echo...I got to see it a few times.

SCORE probably has more relevance to todays possibilities.  

Robert WB5MZO
  
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[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector

2009-10-28 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner


 were there any ham radio projects (either through amsat-na or abroad)
 that implemented a passive reflector on an orbital vehicle like
 Project Echo

   
Not long ago I saw some webpages and emails about some hams using ISS 
(or was it Mir?) as a passive reflector.

Coincidently, I was reading about the West Ford project, which was 
launches of millions of small wire dipoles to be used as reflectors. 
Some of those clusters are still in orbit. I wonder if they are still in 
a dense enough field to reflect the 8 Ghz? signal they were designed for.

73, Drew KO4MA

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[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector

2009-10-28 Thread Rocky Jones


Drew.  I had forgotten about West Ford...but they are all gone.  While in grad 
school we tried some reflection test using the then prototype of the SPS 48E 
and there was nothing...

Robert WB5MZO
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  were there any ham radio projects (either through amsat-na or abroad)
  that implemented a passive reflector on an orbital vehicle like
  Project Echo
 

 Not long ago I saw some webpages and emails about some hams using ISS 
 (or was it Mir?) as a passive reflector.
 
 Coincidently, I was reading about the West Ford project, which was 
 launches of millions of small wire dipoles to be used as reflectors. 
 Some of those clusters are still in orbit. I wonder if they are still in 
 a dense enough field to reflect the 8 Ghz? signal they were designed for.
 
 73, Drew KO4MA
 
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[amsat-bb] Re: using a microsat as a potential high altitude VHF reflector

2009-10-28 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Space-Track is still tracking several clusters of Westford needles, 
although they are certainly spread out and thinning fast. Some are still 
nearly in their original orbits. As evidence:

WESTFORD NEEDLES
1 00602U 63014E   09300.68434638 +.0003 +0-0 +1-3 0 07665
2 00602 087.3316 050.1496 0032690 004.4295 355.6847 08.67203352471339

73, Drew KO4MA






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