Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote: If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry. These look something like this: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux) But what is Netscape (compatible)? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
Hi, I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding the server log entries, and using BROWALIAS to create new names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably, Netscape (compatible) are certain browsers that act like Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test them and see how my web pages look in them. -- Margrit At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote: If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry. These look something like this: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux) But what is Netscape (compatible)? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
Your log file(s) record information provided by each browser. Analog, in turn, reports what it finds in your log file(s). Though it might seem reasonable to expect a browser to provide brand or vendor information, not all browsers do. When this happens, there is no simple way for any program or person to know what browser is being used. Remember, not every browser is even a browser; some are robots. Some robots include as a feature the ability to disguise identity (to prevent sites from blocking access). Your desire to be thorough in testing your site is commendable, but I suspect that the people that built the browsers that can't be easily identified aren't concerned about the appearance of your site. They probably want to get data quickly without hindrance. HTH, -- Duke Margrit McIntosh wrote: Hi, I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding the server log entries, and using BROWALIAS to create new names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably, Netscape (compatible) are certain browsers that act like Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test them and see how my web pages look in them. -- Margrit At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote: If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry. These look something like this: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux) But what is Netscape (compatible)? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + begin:vcard fn:Duke Hillard n:Hillard;Duke org:University of Louisiana at Lafayette;University Computing Support Services adr:;;P.O. Box 42770;Lafayette;LA;70504-2770;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:University Webmaster tel;work:337.482.5763 url:http://www.louisiana.edu/ version:2.1 end:vcard + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
Netscape (compatile) generally is an alias for any browser that matches Mozilla/* (compatible*. These days that's pretty much just IE. -- Jeremy Wadsack Seven Simple Machines Margrit McIntosh wrote: Hi, I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding the server log entries, and using BROWALIAS to create new names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably, Netscape (compatible) are certain browsers that act like Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test them and see how my web pages look in them. -- Margrit At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote: If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry. These look something like this: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux) But what is Netscape (compatible)? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:21 AM [GMT], Margrit McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate stats for Netscape (compatible) and MSIE: 31501: 54.89%: MSIE 25975: 45.26%: MSIE/6 5217: 9.09%: MSIE/5 281: 0.49%: MSIE/4 28: 0.05%: MSIE/3 8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible) 2971: 5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org ) 2473: 4.31%: Mozilla 2438: 4.25%: Mozilla/1 15: 0.03%: Mozilla/0 1543: 2.69%: Netscape 751: 1.31%: Netscape/4 710: 1.24%: Netscape/7 76: 0.13%: Netscape/6 3: 0.01%: Netscape/3 This is just the Browser Summary. Run the Browser report to see the full details of all the browsers used: BROWSERREP ON If you still can't figure it out, then BROWEXCLUDE the browsers that you do exclude, until all you've got left are the once that you're trying to identify. Aengus + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
Well, in that case it's everything else that lists itself as Mozilla/* (compatbile*. My guess is these are probably mosltly robots. Margrit McIntosh wrote: That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate stats for Netscape (compatible) and MSIE: 31501: 54.89%: MSIE 25975: 45.26%: MSIE/6 5217: 9.09%: MSIE/5 281: 0.49%: MSIE/4 28: 0.05%: MSIE/3 8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible) 2971: 5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org ) 2473: 4.31%: Mozilla 2438: 4.25%: Mozilla/1 15: 0.03%: Mozilla/0 1543: 2.69%: Netscape 751: 1.31%: Netscape/4 710: 1.24%: Netscape/7 76: 0.13%: Netscape/6 3: 0.01%: Netscape/3 At 04:14 PM 1/4/2005 -0800, you wrote: Netscape (compatile) generally is an alias for any browser that matches Mozilla/* (compatible*. These days that's pretty much just IE. -- Jeremy Wadsack Seven Simple Machines Margrit McIntosh wrote: Hi, I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding the server log entries, and using BROWALIAS to create new names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably, Netscape (compatible) are certain browsers that act like Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test them and see how my web pages look in them. -- Margrit At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote: If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry. These look something like this: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux) But what is Netscape (compatible)? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives + -- Jeremy Wadsack Seven Simple Machines + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
On 2005-01-04 16:14:04 -0800, Jeremy Wadsack wrote: Netscape (compatile) generally is an alias for any browser that matches Mozilla/* (compatible*. These days that's pretty much just IE. But I suppose that a better guess could be done in some cases. So, * Is it possible to know what is the mapping used by Analog for a given User-Agent? e.g. for the following ones: Mozilla/4.00 [en] (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; WebTV; NetTV; RISC OS) Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; Acorn Phoenix 2.08 [intermediate]; RISC OS 4.33 Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; Oregano/1.0; NC OS) Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; WebGet 0.18) Mozilla/4.76 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; U; Windows 95; PalmSource; PalmOS; WebPro; Tungsten Proxyless 1.1 320x320x16) * And the reverse mapping, i.e. all the User-Agent strings that contributed to some browser class in the browser summary report. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
[analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs Netscape (compatible)
Hi, can anyone tell me, in the Browser Report, the difference between Netscape and Netscape (compatible)? A portion of my output looks like this: pages: %pages: browser -: --: --- 7735: 10.73%: Netscape (compatible) 2556: 3.55%: Mozilla 2518: 3.49%: Mozilla/1 18: 0.02%: Mozilla/0 1913: 2.65%: Netscape 1045: 1.45%: Netscape/7 742: 1.03%: Netscape/4 117: 0.16%: Netscape/6 5: 0.01%: Netscape/3 1: : Netscape/5 1188: 1.65%: Safari 955: 1.33%: Safari/125 178: 0.25%: Safari/85 54: 0.07%: Safari/100 Thanks. -- Margrit McIntosh + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
