Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-06 Thread Margrit McIntosh 
Thank you to all of you who helped me sort out the browser info in Analog. 
I really appreciate it.

-- Margrit
At 12:45 AM 1/5/2005 +, you wrote:
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:21 AM [GMT],
Margrit McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate
> stats for "Netscape (compatible)" and "MSIE":
>
> 31501: 54.89%: MSIE
> 25975: 45.26%:   MSIE/6
>   5217:  9.09%:   MSIE/5
>281:  0.49%:   MSIE/4
> 28:  0.05%:   MSIE/3
>   8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible)
>   2971:  5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org )
>   2473:  4.31%: Mozilla
>   2438:  4.25%:   Mozilla/1
> 15:  0.03%:   Mozilla/0
>   1543:  2.69%: Netscape
>751:  1.31%:   Netscape/4
>710:  1.24%:   Netscape/7
> 76:  0.13%:   Netscape/6
>  3:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
This is just the Browser Summary. Run the Browser report to see the full
details of all the browsers used:
BROWSERREP ON
If you still can't figure it out, then BROWEXCLUDE the browsers that you
do exclude, until all you've got left are the once that you're trying to
identify.
Aengus
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Vincent Lefevre 
On 2005-01-04 16:14:04 -0800, Jeremy Wadsack wrote:
> "Netscape (compatile)" generally is an alias for any browser that 
> matches "Mozilla/* (compatible*". These days that's pretty much just IE.

But I suppose that a better guess could be done in some cases. So,

* Is it possible to know what is the mapping used by Analog for a
  given User-Agent? e.g. for the following ones:

  Mozilla/4.00 [en] (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; WebTV; NetTV; RISC 
OS)
  Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; Acorn Phoenix 2.08 [intermediate]; RISC OS 4.33
  Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; Oregano/1.0; NC OS)
  Mozilla/4.01 (Compatible; WebGet 0.18)
  Mozilla/4.76 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; U; Windows 95; PalmSource; PalmOS; 
WebPro; Tungsten Proxyless 1.1 320x320x16)

* And the reverse mapping, i.e. all the User-Agent strings that
  contributed to some browser class in the browser summary report.

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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Jeremy Wadsack 
Well, in that case it's everything else that lists itself as "Mozilla/* 
(compatbile*". My guess is these are probably mosltly robots.

Margrit McIntosh wrote:
That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate 
stats for "Netscape (compatible)" and "MSIE":

31501: 54.89%: MSIE
25975: 45.26%:   MSIE/6
 5217:  9.09%:   MSIE/5
  281:  0.49%:   MSIE/4
   28:  0.05%:   MSIE/3
 8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible)
 2971:  5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org )
 2473:  4.31%: Mozilla
 2438:  4.25%:   Mozilla/1
   15:  0.03%:   Mozilla/0
 1543:  2.69%: Netscape
  751:  1.31%:   Netscape/4
  710:  1.24%:   Netscape/7
   76:  0.13%:   Netscape/6
3:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
At 04:14 PM 1/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
"Netscape (compatile)" generally is an alias for any browser that 
matches "Mozilla/* (compatible*". These days that's pretty much just IE.

--
Jeremy Wadsack
Seven Simple Machines

Margrit McIntosh wrote:
Hi,
I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully 
decoding the server log entries, and using "BROWALIAS" to create new 
names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and 
how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. 
However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. 
Presumably, "Netscape (compatible)" are certain browsers that act 
like Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. 
However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I 
can't test them and see how my web pages look in them.

-- Margrit
At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote:
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that 
was used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log 
entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"

But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Aengus 
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:21 AM [GMT],
Margrit McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate
> stats for "Netscape (compatible)" and "MSIE":
>
> 31501: 54.89%: MSIE
> 25975: 45.26%:   MSIE/6
>   5217:  9.09%:   MSIE/5
>281:  0.49%:   MSIE/4
> 28:  0.05%:   MSIE/3
>   8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible)
>   2971:  5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org )
>   2473:  4.31%: Mozilla
>   2438:  4.25%:   Mozilla/1
> 15:  0.03%:   Mozilla/0
>   1543:  2.69%: Netscape
>751:  1.31%:   Netscape/4
>710:  1.24%:   Netscape/7
> 76:  0.13%:   Netscape/6
>  3:  0.01%:   Netscape/3

This is just the Browser Summary. Run the Browser report to see the full
details of all the browsers used:

BROWSERREP ON

If you still can't figure it out, then BROWEXCLUDE the browsers that you
do exclude, until all you've got left are the once that you're trying to
identify.

Aengus

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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Margrit McIntosh 


That can't be correct, because the analog output creates separate stats
for "Netscape (compatible)" and "MSIE":
31501: 54.89%: MSIE
25975: 45.26%:   MSIE/6
 5217:  9.09%:   MSIE/5
  281:  0.49%:   MSIE/4
   28:  0.05%:   MSIE/3
 8651: 15.07%: Netscape (compatible)
 2971:  5.18%: WebVac ([EMAIL PROTECTED] WebVac.org
)
 2473:  4.31%: Mozilla
 2438:  4.25%:   Mozilla/1
   15:  0.03%:   Mozilla/0
 1543:  2.69%: Netscape
  751:  1.31%:   Netscape/4
  710:  1.24%:   Netscape/7
   76:  0.13%:   Netscape/6
    3:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
At 04:14 PM 1/4/2005 -0800, you wrote:
"Netscape (compatile)"
generally is an alias for any browser that matches "Mozilla/*
(compatible*". These days that's pretty much just IE.

-- 
Jeremy Wadsack
Seven Simple Machines

Margrit McIntosh wrote:
Hi,
I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding
the server log entries, and using "BROWALIAS" to create new
names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how
many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. However,
the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably,
"Netscape (compatible)" are certain browsers that act like
Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I
still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test them
and see how my web pages look in them.
-- Margrit

At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote:
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -,
Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was
used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log
entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"
But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog:

Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Jeremy Wadsack 
"Netscape (compatile)" generally is an alias for any browser that 
matches "Mozilla/* (compatible*". These days that's pretty much just IE.

--
Jeremy Wadsack
Seven Simple Machines

Margrit McIntosh wrote:
Hi,
I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully 
decoding the server log entries, and using "BROWALIAS" to create new 
names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and 
how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. 
However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. 
Presumably, "Netscape (compatible)" are certain browsers that act like 
Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I 
still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test 
them and see how my web pages look in them.

-- Margrit
At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote:
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was 
used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log 
entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"

But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Duke Hillard 
Your log file(s) record information provided by each browser.
Analog, in turn, reports what it finds in your log file(s).  Though
it might seem reasonable to expect a browser to provide brand
or vendor information, not all browsers do.  When this happens,
there is no simple way for any program or person to know what
browser is being used.  Remember, not every browser is even a
browser; some are robots.  Some robots include as a feature the
ability to disguise identity (to prevent sites from blocking access).
Your desire to be thorough in testing your site is commendable,
but I suspect that the people that built the browsers that can't be
easily identified aren't concerned about the appearance of your
site.  They probably want to get data quickly without hindrance.
HTH,
-- Duke
Margrit McIntosh wrote:
Hi,
I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully 
decoding the server log entries, and using "BROWALIAS" to create new 
names. For example, I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and 
how many are Windows. This info then appears in the Browser Report. 
However, the Browser Summary breaks down the browsers by vendor. 
Presumably, "Netscape (compatible)" are certain browsers that act like 
Netscape but are not from the Netscape company or vendor. However, I 
still can't tell what those browsers actually are, so I can't test 
them and see how my web pages look in them.

-- Margrit
At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote:
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was 
used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log 
entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"

But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?
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Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Margrit McIntosh 
Hi,
I've been partly able to answer my own questions, by carefully decoding the 
server log entries, and using "BROWALIAS" to create new names. For example, 
I can tell how many of my IE 5 users are Mac and how many are Windows. This 
info then appears in the Browser Report. However, the Browser Summary 
breaks down the browsers by vendor. Presumably, "Netscape (compatible)" are 
certain browsers that act like Netscape but are not from the Netscape 
company or vendor. However, I still can't tell what those browsers actually 
are, so I can't test them and see how my web pages look in them.

-- Margrit
At 09:17 PM 1/4/2005 +0100, you wrote:
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"
But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Vincent Lefevre 
On 2005-01-04 18:53:41 -, Aengus wrote:
> If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used
> to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry.
> These look something like this:
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
> "Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"

But what is "Netscape (compatible)"?

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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Jeremy Wadsack 
Check you coinfiguration for BROWALIAS commands that might be setting 
these names. IIRC, the latest versions of Analog (5 and 6) do not need 
any BROWALIAS command to properly identify Internet Explorer, etc.

--
Jeremy Wadsack
Seven Simple Machines

Margrit McIntosh wrote:
I sent this query a while back and got no answer. Anyone want to take 
a crack at it? This is with regard to the Browser Summary. In our 
server logs, the appCodeName is ALWAYS Mozilla, and the appName for 
Mozilla, Netscape, Safari and Firefox is always "Netscape." So how 
does the report derive "Mozilla," "Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"?

Here's what I wrote last month:
Hi, can anyone tell me, in the Browser Report, the difference between 
"Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"? A portion of my output looks 
like this:

pages: %pages: browser
-: --: ---
 7735: 10.73%: Netscape (compatible)
 2556:  3.55%: Mozilla
 2518:  3.49%:   Mozilla/1
   18:  0.02%:   Mozilla/0
 1913:  2.65%: Netscape
 1045:  1.45%:   Netscape/7
  742:  1.03%:   Netscape/4
  117:  0.16%:   Netscape/6
5:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
1:   :   Netscape/5
 1188:  1.65%: Safari
  955:  1.33%:   Safari/125
  178:  0.25%:   Safari/85
   54:  0.07%:   Safari/100
Thanks.
-- Margrit McIntosh
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Re: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Aengus 

- Original Message - 
From: "Margrit McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Support for analog web log analyzer" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:31 PM
Subject: [analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)


> I sent this query a while back and got no answer. Anyone want to take
a
> crack at it? This is with regard to the Browser Summary. In our server
> logs, the appCodeName is ALWAYS Mozilla, and the appName for Mozilla,
> Netscape, Safari and Firefox is always "Netscape." So how does the
report
> derive "Mozilla," "Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"?

If you look in your logfiles, you'll see that the Browser that was used
to make each request is recorded, usually at the end of each log entry.
These look something like this:
"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)"
"Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)"

"Mozilla" was the name used by the original Netscape browser. At the
time, some web servers would check the browser type, and only serve up
"rich" content to browsers that identified themselves as Mozilla. So
when Internet Explorer turned up, and began to support much of the
functionality that Netscape had, IE found that it had to use Mozilla in
it's Browser ID too, or else those servers would only display text
pages, or wouldn't display the "eye-candy" that made (some!) people want
to use the Internet - but they tacked on the (compatible...)
information, to tell what browser was really being used.

"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)" is obviously IE
version 4.0.
"Mozilla/4.0 [en] (X11; I; Linux)" is Netscape 4.0. (Those two entries
came from the sample log file that is included with Analog).

Firefox is a member of the Mozilla family - it identifies itself as
Mozilla 5.0 and Firefox 1.0, and also mentions the Gecko rendering
engine that it uses:
Mozilla/5.0+(Windows;+U;+Windows+NT+5.0;+en-GB;+rv:1.7.5)+Gecko/20041110
+Firefox/1.0

Safari is a Mac browser - I don't know if it has any direct connection w
ith the original Mozilla codebase.

Aengus

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[analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2005-01-04 Thread Margrit McIntosh 
I sent this query a while back and got no answer. Anyone want to take a 
crack at it? This is with regard to the Browser Summary. In our server 
logs, the appCodeName is ALWAYS Mozilla, and the appName for Mozilla, 
Netscape, Safari and Firefox is always "Netscape." So how does the report 
derive "Mozilla," "Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"?

Here's what I wrote last month:
Hi, can anyone tell me, in the Browser Report, the difference between 
"Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"? A portion of my output looks like this:

pages: %pages: browser
-: --: ---
 7735: 10.73%: Netscape (compatible)
 2556:  3.55%: Mozilla
 2518:  3.49%:   Mozilla/1
   18:  0.02%:   Mozilla/0
 1913:  2.65%: Netscape
 1045:  1.45%:   Netscape/7
  742:  1.03%:   Netscape/4
  117:  0.16%:   Netscape/6
5:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
1:   :   Netscape/5
 1188:  1.65%: Safari
  955:  1.33%:   Safari/125
  178:  0.25%:   Safari/85
   54:  0.07%:   Safari/100
Thanks.
-- Margrit McIntosh
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[analog-help] Browsers: Netscape vs "Netscape (compatible)

2004-11-16 Thread Margrit McIntosh 
Hi, can anyone tell me, in the Browser Report, the difference between 
"Netscape" and "Netscape (compatible)"? A portion of my output looks like this:

pages: %pages: browser
-: --: ---
 7735: 10.73%: Netscape (compatible)
 2556:  3.55%: Mozilla
 2518:  3.49%:   Mozilla/1
   18:  0.02%:   Mozilla/0
 1913:  2.65%: Netscape
 1045:  1.45%:   Netscape/7
  742:  1.03%:   Netscape/4
  117:  0.16%:   Netscape/6
5:  0.01%:   Netscape/3
1:   :   Netscape/5
 1188:  1.65%: Safari
  955:  1.33%:   Safari/125
  178:  0.25%:   Safari/85
   54:  0.07%:   Safari/100
Thanks.
-- Margrit McIntosh
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