[android-beginners] Re: Should anyone be allowed to alter Android OS and Applications?
Funny this is a topic that deals with something all Developers should know about. On Sep 27, 2:53 am, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Jeffrey Blattman wrote: the big deal is that the license does not grant the right to re-distribute. this is pretty standard for a closed source license. while it's true that most (all?) android phones come with the google apps today, there's no requirement of that and it may not be the case in the future. mr. cell phone maker can take AOSP and build their own dist and choose not to include the google apps. google doesn't want mr. happy phone owners to be able to install a 3rd party dist that includes the google apps. why not? because mr. happy vendor didn't license the apps from google, and the apps weren't tested on mr. happy vendor's hardware. Where Mr. Happy Vendor = Archos, among others. @Fugita: This list is for introductory QA on developing with the Android SDK. For other topics, please post to the [android-discuss] list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)http://commonsware.com|http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need help for your Android OSS project?http://wiki.andmob.org/hado --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Should anyone be allowed to alter Android OS and Applications?
Understood but they come with the phone already so what is the big deal? It is not like CM is altering the Google Applications. He is altering the OS. On Sep 26, 10:09 pm, Jeffrey Blattman jeffrey.blatt...@gmail.com wrote: unfortunately, it's not that simple. there are parts of android dists like CM that are not in AOSP. the google apps are a major, glaring example. their license clearly does not allow them to be re-distributed. so you can make a custom android dist, but it can't include google mail, google maps, google contacts, etc. the analogy would be if you created a custom linux dist and bundled a bunch of for-pay, closed-source software with it. no one would question why that is illegal. i think a lot of people just assume that those google android apps are open source. they aren't. On 9/26/09 6:56 PM, Fugita wrote: It is an Open Operating System with the code released for all to use but developers have stopped Modifying the Stock OS because it seems it is illegal! WHAT... I mean really it is OPEN! Meaning we can do what we want with the code as long as we are not selling it for profit, right? I just don't get it. I mean with developers out there like Cyanogen making the OS better, I'd be looking at his work to see what could be done to add changes to the OS and MAKE IT BETTER! Why not listen to the community instead of trying to shut them down! -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Should anyone be allowed to alter Android OS and Applications?
the big deal is that the license does not grant the right to re-distribute. this is pretty standard for a closed source license. while it's true that most (all?) android phones come with the google apps today, there's no requirement of that and it may not be the case in the future. mr. cell phone maker can take AOSP and build their own dist and choose not to include the google apps. google doesn't want mr. happy phone owners to be able to install a 3rd party dist that includes the google apps. why not? because mr. happy vendor didn't license the apps from google, and the apps weren't tested on mr. happy vendor's hardware. On 9/26/09 11:03 PM, Fugita wrote: Understood but they come with the phone already so what is the big deal? It is not like CM is altering the Google Applications. He is altering the OS. On Sep 26, 10:09pm, Jeffrey Blattman jeffrey.blatt...@gmail.com wrote: unfortunately, it's not that simple. there are parts of android dists like CM that are not in AOSP. the google apps are a major, glaring example. their license clearly does not allow them to be re-distributed. so you can make a custom android dist, but it can't include google mail, google maps, google contacts, etc. the analogy would be if you created a custom linux dist and bundled a bunch of for-pay, closed-source software with it. no one would question why that is illegal. i think a lot of people just assume that those google android apps are open source. they aren't. On 9/26/09 6:56 PM, Fugita wrote: It is an Open Operating System with the code released for all to use but developers have stopped Modifying the Stock OS because it seems it is illegal! WHAT... I mean really it is OPEN! Meaning we can do what we want with the code as long as we are not selling it for profit, right? I just don't get it. I mean with developers out there like Cyanogen making the OS better, I'd be looking at his work to see what could be done to add changes to the OS and MAKE IT BETTER! Why not listen to the community instead of trying to shut them down! -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --
[android-beginners] Re: Should anyone be allowed to alter Android OS and Applications?
Jeffrey Blattman wrote: the big deal is that the license does not grant the right to re-distribute. this is pretty standard for a closed source license. while it's true that most (all?) android phones come with the google apps today, there's no requirement of that and it may not be the case in the future. mr. cell phone maker can take AOSP and build their own dist and choose not to include the google apps. google doesn't want mr. happy phone owners to be able to install a 3rd party dist that includes the google apps. why not? because mr. happy vendor didn't license the apps from google, and the apps weren't tested on mr. happy vendor's hardware. Where Mr. Happy Vendor = Archos, among others. @Fugita: This list is for introductory QA on developing with the Android SDK. For other topics, please post to the [android-discuss] list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need help for your Android OSS project? http://wiki.andmob.org/hado --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Should anyone be allowed to alter Android OS and Applications?
unfortunately, it's not that simple. there are parts of android dists like CM that are not in AOSP. the google apps are a major, glaring example. their license clearly does not allow them to be re-distributed. so you can make a custom android dist, but it can't include google mail, google maps, google contacts, etc. the analogy would be if you created a custom linux dist and bundled a bunch of for-pay, closed-source software with it. no one would question why that is illegal. i think a lot of people just assume that those google android apps are open source. they aren't. On 9/26/09 6:56 PM, Fugita wrote: It is an Open Operating System with the code released for all to use but developers have stopped Modifying the Stock OS because it seems it is illegal! WHAT... I mean really it is OPEN! Meaning we can do what we want with the code as long as we are not selling it for profit, right? I just don't get it. I mean with developers out there like Cyanogen making the OS better, I'd be looking at his work to see what could be done to add changes to the OS and MAKE IT BETTER! Why not listen to the community instead of trying to shut them down! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --
