Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
A very well said. On 15 May 2011 11:18, Adam Ratana adam.rat...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great thread. I'd like to add to the below points: - do something in a domain you know well and enjoy, that will touch on various areas of the android platform - solve an interesting problem in that domain that android/mobile/etc may be uniquely suitable for - set some limits on what your version 1.0 will be - dive deep into it... you're subscribed to this group and there's a wealth of knowledge here in the archives and among the braintrust that reply to intelligent questions and topics -- literally, the google engineers who write the SDK respond to pertinent threads! - sleep less, sacrifice some time to learn as much as you can, really, _sleep less_! - make lots of mistakes, fail, do things the wrong way and then improve - publish - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! After you make your first app, you'll be in a much better position to get android work, as you'll have something to show for your general development skills, in an android product you've produced. On Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Brill Pappin wrote: haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
My thoughts have been that if you still have that attitude about writing programs, you haven't had to do it for days straight without sleep. (This is not necessarily the same thing as doing it for days without sleep just for the fun of it.) Sure, I still *enjoy* it, but there gets to be a point where I acknowledge that it's not what I would choose to do every second of my life. Another thing that people haven't properly hit on is that, sure, if you got to write exactly what you want to, exactly how you want to do it, you probably *will* love it. But if you're making money, this is almost never the case. There are many issues that you have control over, but there are also many issues which you don't control. There are always times where you have to do things that just seem, a bit contrived. Your boss may say we need this to do ... in ... way when it's obviously suboptimal. The typical response that people might say is either to tell your boss to stuff it in which case you're unemployed, or come up with a better solution and show it to your boss which (after trying it myself a few times) the boss typically says well, this is nice, but it's not what we asked for, go back and do ... in ... way! However, this isn't all bad. There are certainly times when you've been forced to do something boring, probably in a college class if you took one. If your classes were full of interesting assignments that were constantly enlightening, that's great. However, most of the time, lots of assignments in college classes are fairly boring, rudimentary, but you still learn a bit from that kind of stuff. So yes, I think it's enjoyable, but there are certainly lackluster parts of any job, and programming is no exception. Kris On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:14 AM, harold alcala harold@gmail.com wrote: A very well said. On 15 May 2011 11:18, Adam Ratana adam.rat...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great thread. I'd like to add to the below points: - do something in a domain you know well and enjoy, that will touch on various areas of the android platform - solve an interesting problem in that domain that android/mobile/etc may be uniquely suitable for - set some limits on what your version 1.0 will be - dive deep into it... you're subscribed to this group and there's a wealth of knowledge here in the archives and among the braintrust that reply to intelligent questions and topics -- literally, the google engineers who write the SDK respond to pertinent threads! - sleep less, sacrifice some time to learn as much as you can, really, _sleep less_! - make lots of mistakes, fail, do things the wrong way and then improve - publish - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! After you make your first app, you'll be in a much better position to get android work, as you'll have something to show for your general development skills, in an android product you've produced. On Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Brill Pappin wrote: haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
I've been creating we sites for about 6 yrs bought a smart phone and caught the bug. I'm still new to apps. But loving it harold alcala harold@gmail.com wrote: A very well said. On 15 May 2011 11:18, Adam Ratana adam.rat...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great thread. I'd like to add to the below points: - do something in a domain you know well and enjoy, that will touch on various areas of the android platform - solve an interesting problem in that domain that android/mobile/etc may be uniquely suitable for - set some limits on what your version 1.0 will be - dive deep into it... you're subscribed to this group and there's a wealth of knowledge here in the archives and among the braintrust that reply to intelligent questions and topics -- literally, the google engineers who write the SDK respond to pertinent threads! - sleep less, sacrifice some time to learn as much as you can, really, _sleep less_! - make lots of mistakes, fail, do things the wrong way and then improve - publish - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! After you make your first app, you'll be in a much better position to get android work, as you'll have something to show for your general development skills, in an android product you've produced. On Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Brill Pappin wrote: haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
Well, I think how people feel day to day is completely different from having a particular mindset about something. Obviously personally and professionally it's almost impossible to feel this way constantly. But, if someone is attacking something new, I felt those were some good points to add, because if the passion and love for the process itself is not there it's going to be hard to ramp up quickly and execute on a high level. It's probably fair to say that everyone posting in this particular thread loves technology and has a love for creating things with it. To your point, it's pretty rare to be absolutely in love with what you're doing for money on a day to day basis, especially when sacrifices are made and there are people to answer to, but I firmly believe that attitude and mindset make the difference between people who get beaten down by their particular current setting and station in life, and those who are able to stay energetic and positive beyond the negatives -- long term. So obviously this thread is way off track, to the guy who wants to get android work professionally, cliff notes, if you're only in it for the money, you're going to find it hard to compete with people who are in it for more than just that. Personally, I don't have much credibility posting in this thread, with just one hobbyist app out there, but I always feel people should be encouraged to try new things, and the more people working on Android the better the community becomes. On Monday, May 16, 2011 6:32:01 PM UTC-4, Kristopher Micinski wrote: My thoughts have been that if you still have that attitude about writing programs, you haven't had to do it for days straight without sleep. (This is not necessarily the same thing as doing it for days without sleep just for the fun of it.) Sure, I still *enjoy* it, but there gets to be a point where I acknowledge that it's not what I would choose to do every second of my life. Another thing that people haven't properly hit on is that, sure, if you got to write exactly what you want to, exactly how you want to do it, you probably *will* love it. But if you're making money, this is almost never the case. There are many issues that you have control over, but there are also many issues which you don't control. There are always times where you have to do things that just seem, a bit contrived. Your boss may say we need this to do ... in ... way when it's obviously suboptimal. The typical response that people might say is either to tell your boss to stuff it in which case you're unemployed, or come up with a better solution and show it to your boss which (after trying it myself a few times) the boss typically says well, this is nice, but it's not what we asked for, go back and do ... in ... way! However, this isn't all bad. There are certainly times when you've been forced to do something boring, probably in a college class if you took one. If your classes were full of interesting assignments that were constantly enlightening, that's great. However, most of the time, lots of assignments in college classes are fairly boring, rudimentary, but you still learn a bit from that kind of stuff. So yes, I think it's enjoyable, but there are certainly lackluster parts of any job, and programming is no exception. Kris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
- Original Message - From: Andrew Gregory To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development Apart from the obvious of starting your own app from scratch, you could try searching for an open source Android project and fix some bugs or add a feature. Andrew Hmm - I fancy that idea as I can't think of one of my own at the moment - where would I find them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
Search for Android on google code. On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.uk wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Gregory To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development Apart from the obvious of starting your own app from scratch, you could try searching for an open source Android project and fix some bugs or add a feature. Andrew Hmm - I fancy that idea as I can't think of one of my own at the moment - where would I find them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Raghav Sood http://www.raghavsood.com/ http://www.androidappcheck.com/ http://www.telstop.tel/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
- Original Message - From: Raghav Sood To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development Search for Android on google code. Ahh - I thanks I didn't know that existed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On May 15, 2011, at 6:18 AM, Adam Ratana wrote: - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! I can't help from leaving a comment on this point. For me, the whole buzz around Android reminds me a lot of the times we had back in 90s on C64 (here in Finland at least). Back then, almost all of my friends had a personal 'software house', writing some kind of a game from their head using basic mostly. This time there's the Internet, making it a bit more of a 'global' thing, but I see many similarities. In the 90s you showcased your application to your parents and friends most of the time, now you have AppStore etc for wider audience. But all the same, I've been very pleased to see how many people have gotten involved into software development, thanks to Android, and maybe iOS too (I really have no idea what's happening on that side) lately. So yeah, from what I've seen so far, there seem to many people, me included, who really enjoy all this. -- H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
This is a great thread. I'd like to add to the below points: - do something in a domain you know well and enjoy, that will touch on various areas of the android platform - solve an interesting problem in that domain that android/mobile/etc may be uniquely suitable for - set some limits on what your version 1.0 will be - dive deep into it... you're subscribed to this group and there's a wealth of knowledge here in the archives and among the braintrust that reply to intelligent questions and topics -- literally, the google engineers who write the SDK respond to pertinent threads! - sleep less, sacrifice some time to learn as much as you can, really, _sleep less_! - make lots of mistakes, fail, do things the wrong way and then improve - publish - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! After you make your first app, you'll be in a much better position to get android work, as you'll have something to show for your general development skills, in an android product you've produced. On Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Brill Pappin wrote: haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
Apart from the obvious of starting your own app from scratch, you could try searching for an open source Android project and fix some bugs or add a feature. Andrew On 15 May 2011 11:19, Adam Ratana adam.rat...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great thread. I'd like to add to the below points: - do something in a domain you know well and enjoy, that will touch on various areas of the android platform - solve an interesting problem in that domain that android/mobile/etc may be uniquely suitable for - set some limits on what your version 1.0 will be - dive deep into it... you're subscribed to this group and there's a wealth of knowledge here in the archives and among the braintrust that reply to intelligent questions and topics -- literally, the google engineers who write the SDK respond to pertinent threads! - sleep less, sacrifice some time to learn as much as you can, really, _sleep less_! - make lots of mistakes, fail, do things the wrong way and then improve - publish - have fun, experience some joy and passion for the process, it's an end in itself! After you make your first app, you'll be in a much better position to get android work, as you'll have something to show for your general development skills, in an android product you've produced. On Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Brill Pappin wrote: haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] How did you get into Android development
How did people on this list get from learning about Android to getting paid work developing apps. In other words how did you get past the no experience no work stage? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On 13 May 2011 12:24, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.ukwrote: How did people on this list get from learning about Android to getting paid work developing apps. In other words how did you get past the no experience no work stage? You miss the point. If you are not a programmer in general sense then I suggest you look for other job. But if you are programmer then you got experience. Experience in programming. So it's irrelevant if Android or anything is new platform for you or not. Or if Java or other language is something you do know or not. These are just *tools*, like hammers or drills. If you do not know certain type of tool then you can simply learn how to use it because you got experience with that type of tools like programming languages, software development etc. Regards, Marcin Orlowski *Tray Agenda http://bit.ly/trayagenda* - keep you daily schedule handy... *Date In Tray* http://bit.ly/dateintraypro - current date at glance... WebnetMobile on *Facebook http://webnetmobile.com/fb/* and *Twitterhttp://webnetmobile.com/twitter/ * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
- Original Message - From: Marcin Orlowski To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development On 13 May 2011 12:24, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.uk wrote: How did people on this list get from learning about Android to getting paid work developing apps. In other words how did you get past the no experience no work stage? You miss the point. If you are not a programmer in general sense then I suggest you look for other job. But if you are programmer then you got experience. Experience in programming. So it's irrelevant if Android or anything is new platform for you or not. Or if Java or other language is something you do know or not. These are just tools, like hammers or drills. If you do not know certain type of tool then you can simply learn how to use it because you got experience with that type of tools like programming languages, software development etc. Regards, Marcin Orlowski I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
13.05.2011 17:02, Knutsford Software пишет: I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. Depends on how exactly you would like to get paid. If you write an app and sell it yourself (free/paid versions, premium features or content), then you don't have to show proof of experience to anyone. If on the other hand, you're going to interview for one of those openings that require 25 years of Java / 5 years of Android / 10 years of iPhone, well, that could be a pretty difficult situation. :) -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.uk wrote: The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. You could try doing some work to show people. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
- Original Message - From: Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development 13.05.2011 17:02, Knutsford Software пишет: I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. Depends on how exactly you would like to get paid. If you write an app and sell it yourself (free/paid versions, premium features or content), then you don't have to show proof of experience to anyone. If on the other hand, you're going to interview for one of those openings that require 25 years of Java / 5 years of Android / 10 years of iPhone, well, that could be a pretty difficult situation. :) -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com I whd had wondered about writing one myself if I only I could only think of something. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
Well, that's the trick to make yourself rich, I guess... thinking of a pretty good application, and do it before no one else :-) On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.uk wrote: - Original Message - From: Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com To: android-developers@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development 13.05.2011 17:02, Knutsford Software пишет: I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. Depends on how exactly you would like to get paid. If you write an app and sell it yourself (free/paid versions, premium features or content), then you don't have to show proof of experience to anyone. If on the other hand, you're going to interview for one of those openings that require 25 years of Java / 5 years of Android / 10 years of iPhone, well, that could be a pretty difficult situation. :) -- Kostya Vasilyev -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com I whd had wondered about writing one myself if I only I could only think of something. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- --- http://aitorTheRed.blogspot.com http://www.last.fm/user/aitorTheRed/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Aitor Mendaza Ormaza aitorthe...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's the trick to make yourself rich, I guess... thinking of a pretty good application, and do it before no one else :-) Not necessarily. Someone can create an that is about the same as yours *after* you, and get millions of users by using their superior marketing power. Of course, if your app is good enough, they may offer to buy you out first :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.uk wrote: I whd had wondered about writing one myself if I only I could only think of something. Scratch your own itch to get started. Find something you really need or want, write an app for that, and possibly open source it. You will have the incentive to make it better and learn in the process, because you actually use it. Once it gets to level 'awesome', you can show it to people to convince them you are that good :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
On 13 May 2011 15:02, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.ukwrote: I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. If you are programmer then you shall have bunch of apps you wrote for yourself while you'd been learning android. These apps got usually no value for anyone else - these are sort of hello worlds with wide variety of complexicity. This gives you knowledge on how things shall be done (your know-how :). You did not necesairly need to have platform related portfolio (definitely helps if you want to be paid for someone who does not know you at all though), but if you got record of previous activity and this record indicates you had to be knowledgeable enough to had these tasks completed (or customer approaches you by recommendation) then people may approach you asking for doing something on Android. If you are serious on your works, matured enough then you simply know your limits. Customer tells you what he wants, you evalue if your know how suffices to have things done and if not, you evaluate if you can elevate your skills to required level. If your answer is yes then you take the challenge, then get things done right, then get paid and eventually got something real in your porftolio. If your answer is no and you hope be ready for next project, you tell your customer sorry, not this time, I am busy :), and try to catch up with what you lacked (or at least with hardest parts). Simple as that. Works perfectly fine for me for many years. Regards, Marcin Orlowski *Tray Agenda http://bit.ly/trayagenda* - keep you daily schedule handy... *Date In Tray* http://bit.ly/dateintraypro - current date at glance... WebnetMobile on *Facebook http://webnetmobile.com/fb/* and *Twitterhttp://webnetmobile.com/twitter/ * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
I sent my app to the hiring manager, they liked it. I got hired. The end. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Marcin Orlowski webnet.andr...@gmail.comwrote: On 13 May 2011 15:02, Knutsford Software i...@knutsford-software.co.ukwrote: I am a programmer. The point is how do you get paid Android work if you haven't already done some that you can show people. It is the catch 22 situation. How have other people on the list manages to get out of it. If you are programmer then you shall have bunch of apps you wrote for yourself while you'd been learning android. These apps got usually no value for anyone else - these are sort of hello worlds with wide variety of complexicity. This gives you knowledge on how things shall be done (your know-how :). You did not necesairly need to have platform related portfolio (definitely helps if you want to be paid for someone who does not know you at all though), but if you got record of previous activity and this record indicates you had to be knowledgeable enough to had these tasks completed (or customer approaches you by recommendation) then people may approach you asking for doing something on Android. If you are serious on your works, matured enough then you simply know your limits. Customer tells you what he wants, you evalue if your know how suffices to have things done and if not, you evaluate if you can elevate your skills to required level. If your answer is yes then you take the challenge, then get things done right, then get paid and eventually got something real in your porftolio. If your answer is no and you hope be ready for next project, you tell your customer sorry, not this time, I am busy :), and try to catch up with what you lacked (or at least with hardest parts). Simple as that. Works perfectly fine for me for many years. Regards, Marcin Orlowski *Tray Agenda http://bit.ly/trayagenda* - keep you daily schedule handy... *Date In Tray* http://bit.ly/dateintraypro - current date at glance... WebnetMobile on *Facebook http://webnetmobile.com/fb/* and *Twitterhttp://webnetmobile.com/twitter/ * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- ~ Jeremiah:9:23-24 Android 2D MMORPG: http://solrpg.com/, http://www.youtube.com/user/revoltingx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] How did you get into Android development
haha, particularly since 25 years ago, hardly anyone knew java (if it was even released). I have something between 15 or 16 years of experience with java now now (exact numbers are fuzzy in my old age)... and I started with java 1.1 :) In fact i think its only about 17 years old! Anyway. If your writing code for someone else, there are multiple ways that can work, but demonstrating an published app should be pretty good proof. Our group decided to publish apps ourselves because we wanted some that didn't exist or we were not satisfied with what we could get. Even with four apps in the market, it doesn't pay us nearly enough to replace our day jobs... so we work at night and use the money we make to support our customers and buy hardware when we want it (or to finance some other startup project idea). I personally also get to develop on the Android platform for my clients (the ones where I actually make my living) but its a side thing, simply one of the many many skills I'm expected to have or to able to handle in order to get a large hourly rate. The long and the short of it is. Start. or i guess if your a nike fan. Just Do It. With luck you'll get an opportunity, and when you do you will have something to show for it. You are lucky in that right now Android developers are in short supply so your more likely to land a job doing it with minimal experience than you will be later. Personally, I'll never go back to a cubical farm if I can help it, but its taken years to get to that stage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
