Re: [android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Alright, I created an ubuntu partition, installed git, repo, eclipse, downloaded the eclair branch of android and built it. Created a Java project using 'existing src' with the android root directory. Was wondering how I should run/step through the Desk Clock application. Since there is no ADT plugin, If I Run as Java Application it simply brings up a list of internal and library modules like Svc, Command shell... Should I run the emulator in the debugger and then click on the alarm clock app? (Debugging the emulator with Eclipse http://source.android.com/source/using-eclipse.html) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: Indeed. This is called eating your own dogfood, and it's a highly valuable part of creating a high-quality product. If there's ANY reason this would inconvenience the developers, than that's a red flag that there's something that needs to be addressed -- whether it's the build/release system or inadequacies in the API, or things which aren't public which should be public (perhaps after some improvements are made and stability achieved). I'd strongly recommend a goal that anything and everything that possibly could be, be buildable with the SDK using public APIs and tools. Even the privileged stuff (which might fail at runtime with a security exception if not signed with the proper key for the platform -- but should still be buildable separately if the appropriate key is available). I suspect this would even end up making life easier for the developers of those apps. On Dec 26, 10:08 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I completely realize that it's possible to do well with the SDK, but I still believe that the top layer apps should be built with the SDK if possible. Does the calculator compile with the SDK? On Dec 27, 11:39 am, Robert rcope...@gmail.com wrote: Check out Alarm Clock Xtreme by Irene Duke. http://alarmclockxtreme.blogspot.com/ It is possible to do and do well with the SDK. On Dec 26, 7:32 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I do understand where you are coming from, though. It would be ideal that top-layer apps, especially simple ones like an alarm clock, should be buildable with the public SDK. After all, how can you create a like replacement if you don't have access to the same APIs? On Dec 27, 5:26 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- thanks, Anil Philip Please let us know if you know anyone with an unwanted pregnancy, willing to place for adoption. http://longingtoadopt.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Alright, I created an ubuntu partition, installed git, repo, eclipse, downloaded the eclair branch of android and built it. Created a Java project using 'existing src' with the android root directory. Was wondering how I should run/step through the Desk Clock application. Since there is no ADT plugin, If I Run as Java Application it simply brings up a list of internal and library modules like Svc, Command shell... Should I run the emulator in the debugger and then click on the alarm clock app? (Debugging the emulator with Eclipse http://source.android.com/source/using-eclipse.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: Indeed. This is called eating your own dogfood, and it's a highly valuable part of creating a high-quality product. Crappy Android has been improving over the last year as work has been done to update the various apps to use various final SDK APIs that weren't available when they were first written. This is often a fair amount of work, and means desired features or bug fixes can't be done, so sometimes it is slow going. If it is something you feel strongly about, many app developers would probably be happy to review contributions. Btw you can determine if an app is building against the public SDK by looking for LOCAL_SDK_VERSION in its Android.mk. A quick scan of Gingerbread shows that these app build against the public SDK: Calculator, Camera, DeskClock, Gallery3D, Mms, Music, Protips, QuickSearchBox, Tag, and LatinIME. For the original poster -- DeskClock is the new AlarmClock. The AlarmClock code has not been used since at least 2.2. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: Calculator, Camera, DeskClock, Gallery3D, Mms, Music, Protips, QuickSearchBox, Tag, and LatinIME. (And it looks like Email may be joining this illustrious list for Honeycomb.) -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Excellent! There's no question it's hard work, and there's no doubt it does compete with this or that feature. But I'm confident it will pay off in quality -- and quality, in the end, saves you time. On Dec 31, 12:16 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: Calculator, Camera, DeskClock, Gallery3D, Mms, Music, Protips, QuickSearchBox, Tag, and LatinIME. (And it looks like Email may be joining this illustrious list for Honeycomb.) -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Indeed. This is called eating your own dogfood, and it's a highly valuable part of creating a high-quality product. If there's ANY reason this would inconvenience the developers, than that's a red flag that there's something that needs to be addressed -- whether it's the build/release system or inadequacies in the API, or things which aren't public which should be public (perhaps after some improvements are made and stability achieved). I'd strongly recommend a goal that anything and everything that possibly could be, be buildable with the SDK using public APIs and tools. Even the privileged stuff (which might fail at runtime with a security exception if not signed with the proper key for the platform -- but should still be buildable separately if the appropriate key is available). I suspect this would even end up making life easier for the developers of those apps. On Dec 26, 10:08 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I completely realize that it's possible to do well with the SDK, but I still believe that the top layer apps should be built with the SDK if possible. Does the calculator compile with the SDK? On Dec 27, 11:39 am, Robert rcope...@gmail.com wrote: Check out Alarm Clock Xtreme by Irene Duke. http://alarmclockxtreme.blogspot.com/ It is possible to do and do well with the SDK. On Dec 26, 7:32 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I do understand where you are coming from, though. It would be ideal that top-layer apps, especially simple ones like an alarm clock, should be buildable with the public SDK. After all, how can you create a like replacement if you don't have access to the same APIs? On Dec 27, 5:26 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:26 PM, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows Pick an application to study and run that builds with the Android SDK, then. Most, if not all, applications that are part of the Android firmware must be built as part of the firmware. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to *Advanced* Android Development_ Version 1.9 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
I do understand where you are coming from, though. It would be ideal that top-layer apps, especially simple ones like an alarm clock, should be buildable with the public SDK. After all, how can you create a like replacement if you don't have access to the same APIs? On Dec 27, 5:26 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Check out Alarm Clock Xtreme by Irene Duke. http://alarmclockxtreme.blogspot.com/ It is possible to do and do well with the SDK. On Dec 26, 7:32 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I do understand where you are coming from, though. It would be ideal that top-layer apps, especially simple ones like an alarm clock, should be buildable with the public SDK. After all, how can you create a like replacement if you don't have access to the same APIs? On Dec 27, 5:26 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
I completely realize that it's possible to do well with the SDK, but I still believe that the top layer apps should be built with the SDK if possible. Does the calculator compile with the SDK? On Dec 27, 11:39 am, Robert rcope...@gmail.com wrote: Check out Alarm Clock Xtreme by Irene Duke. http://alarmclockxtreme.blogspot.com/ It is possible to do and do well with the SDK. On Dec 26, 7:32 pm, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I do understand where you are coming from, though. It would be ideal that top-layer apps, especially simple ones like an alarm clock, should be buildable with the public SDK. After all, how can you create a like replacement if you don't have access to the same APIs? On Dec 27, 5:26 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: Would prefer not to have to - since I am on Windows On Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:02:55 AM UTC-6, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Cannot compile Desk Alarm Clock (branch eclair ver 2.1)
Correct, you cannot compile these modules with the SDK alone. You need to download the platform source and compile those. I don't know the details. On Dec 26, 11:35 am, longingtoadopt.com anil.r...@gmail.com wrote: I want to study and run through the Desk Alarm Clock in order to understand it. I cloned the branch for eclair ver 2.1. However, it does not compile: Description Resource Path Location Type ACTION_ALARM_CHANGED cannot be resolved or is not a field Alarms.java /DeskClock/src/com/android/deskclock line 464 Java Problem com.android.internal.R cannot be resolved to a variable AlarmKlaxon.java /DeskClock/src/com/android/deskclock line 207 Java Problem com.android.internal.R cannot be resolved to a variable DeskClock.java /DeskClock/src/com/android/deskclock line 574 Java Problem com.android.internal.R cannot be resolved to a variable SetAlarm.java /DeskClock/src/com/android/deskclock line 115 Java Problem The constructor Vibrator() is not visible AlarmKlaxon.java /DeskClock/src/com/android/deskclock line 89 Java Problem How do I get past these errors? Any help appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
