[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
So clarify this once and for all. Unless I buy the phone as a developer phone, ie out of contract, the provider doesnt not have to give me access to be able to install out of market apps, ie my own developed apps unless they are on the market? On Jan 10, 10:05 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. You can still use adb to push app to the device, AFAIK. Yes. Full adb support most be there for it to be compatible. This allows all of the development tools to work. Being able to install non-Market apps through the UI is a completely different issue, and not covered by the CDD because it is not needed for development. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Your phrasing is confusing. The CDD *requires* that for a device to ship with Market it *must* have full ADB support. This is what you use to develop applications on a device: install them, debug them, and everything else involved with development. Being able to install non-Market apps as a *user* (not a *developer*) through the UI is a completely different issue, not covered by the CDD, and not impacting a developer who is developing apps on their device. You as a developer are perfectly capable of installing your own apps on any device that has Market. You will not be able to put those apps up on a web site for users to download outside of Market. Also developer phone != out of contract. In fact, developer phone is a bad term to use. Every Android phone with Market is a third party developer phone. There are a few phones that allow reflashing of their system images, which is intended for developers of the platform itself to be able to replace the entire firmware with their own build. Also these phones aren't only available out of contract; it is a decision that the manufacturer makes that is independent of how they sell it. (Google being the only one I believe doing this with the Nexus phones, and both models so far have been available with or without contract, because they are intended to be great for end users as much as being a tool for platform developers.) On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: So clarify this once and for all. Unless I buy the phone as a developer phone, ie out of contract, the provider doesnt not have to give me access to be able to install out of market apps, ie my own developed apps unless they are on the market? On Jan 10, 10:05 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. You can still use adb to push app to the device, AFAIK. Yes. Full adb support most be there for it to be compatible. This allows all of the development tools to work. Being able to install non-Market apps through the UI is a completely different issue, and not covered by the CDD because it is not needed for development. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Dianne Thank you for your time in clearing up this matter. I now have clear understanding. Again thank you. On Jan 11, 1:11 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Your phrasing is confusing. The CDD *requires* that for a device to ship with Market it *must* have full ADB support. This is what you use to develop applications on a device: install them, debug them, and everything else involved with development. Being able to install non-Market apps as a *user* (not a *developer*) through the UI is a completely different issue, not covered by the CDD, and not impacting a developer who is developing apps on their device. You as a developer are perfectly capable of installing your own apps on any device that has Market. You will not be able to put those apps up on a web site for users to download outside of Market. Also developer phone != out of contract. In fact, developer phone is a bad term to use. Every Android phone with Market is a third party developer phone. There are a few phones that allow reflashing of their system images, which is intended for developers of the platform itself to be able to replace the entire firmware with their own build. Also these phones aren't only available out of contract; it is a decision that the manufacturer makes that is independent of how they sell it. (Google being the only one I believe doing this with the Nexus phones, and both models so far have been available with or without contract, because they are intended to be great for end users as much as being a tool for platform developers.) On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: So clarify this once and for all. Unless I buy the phone as a developer phone, ie out of contract, the provider doesnt not have to give me access to be able to install out of market apps, ie my own developed apps unless they are on the market? On Jan 10, 10:05 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. You can still use adb to push app to the device, AFAIK. Yes. Full adb support most be there for it to be compatible. This allows all of the development tools to work. Being able to install non-Market apps through the UI is a completely different issue, and not covered by the CDD because it is not needed for development. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Sony Ericsson X10a as sold by ATT does not meet this standard I believe. On Jan 8, 3:25 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM, JP joachim.pfeif...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 8, 7:57 am, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Dev phones are for people devising alternative firmware. They are not necessary for ordinary Android SDK development. ... but sure are a good idea to have. We've seen a selection of dogs where USB drivers weren't available or LogCat wouldn't pick anything up because the device wouldn't provide any output on the USB port... I also like the presence of dev devices so scope can be established when writing proposals, along the line of ... tested on the Android reference devices Google Ion and Nexus One. It is required for a device to ship with Market that it full support development and debugging over USB. If you find a device with Market where this doesn't work, please let us know -- we aggressively pursue CDD incompatibilities to get them fixed (it is a requirement for someone to ship with Market to fix any such issues that are found). That said, yes the dev devices are partly there to be a benchmark for how that platform is expected to behave. (Though for most cases you can test against the base platform using the emulator as well.) I sometimes like to refer to them as Android reference devices. :) -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Sony Ericsson X10a as sold by ATT does not meet this standard I believe. The ATT devices don't have side-loading through the UI enabled. They still allow development (including installing) through ADB, and as I said if they didn't this would be a very large violation of the CDD. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Can you provide more details about CDD or confirm that the X10A as sold by ATT meets the CDD standard and is fully available for developer use with all features running. On Jan 10, 2:18 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Sony Ericsson X10a as sold by ATT does not meet this standard I believe. The ATT devices don't have side-loading through the UI enabled. They still allow development (including installing) through ADB, and as I said if they didn't this would be a very large violation of the CDD. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
CDD Details here http://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html I believe it should be. Kumar Bibek http://techdroid.kbeanie.com http://www.kbeanie.com On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Can you provide more details about CDD or confirm that the X10A as sold by ATT meets the CDD standard and is fully available for developer use with all features running. On Jan 10, 2:18 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Sony Ericsson X10a as sold by ATT does not meet this standard I believe. The ATT devices don't have side-loading through the UI enabled. They still allow development (including installing) through ADB, and as I said if they didn't this would be a very large violation of the CDD. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. If I try to root the phone it will remove the 3G and WIFI from functionality from the phone. At this point I am considering the need that I may need buy a new phone just for the soul purpose of being able to test the apps I'm developing. Am I wrong to think that there must be something that ATT can provide me with to root the phone so I can develop on it? On Jan 10, 4:38 pm, Kumar Bibek coomar@gmail.com wrote: CDD Details herehttp://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html I believe it should be. Kumar Bibekhttp://techdroid.kbeanie.comhttp://www.kbeanie.com On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Can you provide more details about CDD or confirm that the X10A as sold by ATT meets the CDD standard and is fully available for developer use with all features running. On Jan 10, 2:18 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Sony Ericsson X10a as sold by ATT does not meet this standard I believe. The ATT devices don't have side-loading through the UI enabled. They still allow development (including installing) through ADB, and as I said if they didn't this would be a very large violation of the CDD. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. You can still use adb to push app to the device, AFAIK. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Leon Moreyn-Android Development lmor...@earthcam.com wrote: Ok. So here is what I am trying to understand. I have an X10A from ATT. I can not develop on the phone because it doesn't allow me to install third party none market applications. You can still use adb to push app to the device, AFAIK. Yes. Full adb support most be there for it to be compatible. This allows all of the development tools to work. Being able to install non-Market apps through the UI is a completely different issue, and not covered by the CDD because it is not needed for development. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On 8 Jan., 21:25, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: That said, yes the dev devices are partly there to be a benchmark for how that platform is expected to behave. [...] I sometimes like to refer to them as Android reference devices. :) Don't you think reference devices should be publicly available? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Hi I now have a Nexus S as well as a Nexus One. Nexus One has better back camera with zoom and more pixels. Nexus One has better framerate on my 2d game 58fps vs 52fps Nexus S. Nexus S has 2.3 vs 2.2 (not for long). Nexus S has front camera + gyro + nfc (nfc is not much use here without tags). Not much difference (unfortunately). I too like to test on the google dev devices. Regards On Jan 9, 8:19 pm, RobBln robert.jaemmr...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 Jan., 21:25, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: That said, yes the dev devices are partly there to be a benchmark for how that platform is expected to behave. [...] I sometimes like to refer to them as Android reference devices. :) Don't you think reference devices should be publicly available? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On 19 Dez. 2010, 01:08, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. This applies also to the availability of Nexus One and ADP2: Why are they available as dev phone when every recent phone has the same or better features? And what's the use of a Nexus S when any other high- end Android device does just as well? If Android 2.3 is available globally, then the Android 2.3 reference phone should be available globally too. But maybe Google can't because Best Buy has exclusive rights to (not) distribute Nexus S globally. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:34 AM, RobBln robert.jaemmr...@googlemail.com wrote: This applies also to the availability of Nexus One and ADP2: Why are they available as dev phone when every recent phone has the same or better features? Dev phones are for people devising alternative firmware. They are not necessary for ordinary Android SDK development. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 3.4 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Jan 8, 7:57 am, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Dev phones are for people devising alternative firmware. They are not necessary for ordinary Android SDK development. ... but sure are a good idea to have. We've seen a selection of dogs where USB drivers weren't available or LogCat wouldn't pick anything up because the device wouldn't provide any output on the USB port... I also like the presence of dev devices so scope can be established when writing proposals, along the line of ... tested on the Android reference devices Google Ion and Nexus One. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM, JP joachim.pfeif...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 8, 7:57 am, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Dev phones are for people devising alternative firmware. They are not necessary for ordinary Android SDK development. ... but sure are a good idea to have. We've seen a selection of dogs where USB drivers weren't available or LogCat wouldn't pick anything up because the device wouldn't provide any output on the USB port... I also like the presence of dev devices so scope can be established when writing proposals, along the line of ... tested on the Android reference devices Google Ion and Nexus One. It is required for a device to ship with Market that it full support development and debugging over USB. If you find a device with Market where this doesn't work, please let us know -- we aggressively pursue CDD incompatibilities to get them fixed (it is a requirement for someone to ship with Market to fix any such issues that are found). That said, yes the dev devices are partly there to be a benchmark for how that platform is expected to behave. (Though for most cases you can test against the base platform using the emulator as well.) I sometimes like to refer to them as Android reference devices. :) -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Hi, Android NFC would be much more useful if it supported NFC device to device comms. Unfortunately the 2.3 sdk only supports reading tags, hopefully it will be updated in future to provide full NFC support for device to device comms... Regards On Dec 22, 5:42 pm, r...@thelogicbox richlarco...@gmail.com wrote: Seems we all agree NFC is a significant hardware advancement! So the question remains for all non-US developers - how can we get our hands on hardware without paying over the odds or waiting months for our local carriers to deliver? We don't need access to every newphonethat comes to market, just those introducing key advancements. NFC surely has to be up there as the most significant enhancement since Android begun? Does anyone know if there are any other NFC hardware devices or emulators we could test with? On Dec 22, 4:50 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bogdan Hlevca bogdan.hle...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Sorry, but I fail to understand your logic. I may be mistaken, but I thought she was being sarcastic. Yes, sorry, I should have put a smiley. (Really I should not have written it at all, darn late-night posting.) Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. Are you really an engineer? Read again the above sentence and please translate into plain English. Seems pretty clear - there's nothing hugely new in theNexusSbesides the NFC stuff. Anything else you should be able to develop and test on other recent phones. Yep. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Dec 8, 2:17 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. Google's Online Phone Store was GOOD! Bring it back, give it more time, don't worry about useless journalists hanging shit on it (e.g. saying its a flop)...it was REALLY, REALLY GOOD! Oh, and mor countries (especially Australia)! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:15 PM, metal mikey coref...@gmail.com wrote: Google's Online Phone Store was GOOD! Bring it back, give it more time, don't worry about useless journalists hanging shit on it (e.g. saying its a flop)...it was REALLY, REALLY GOOD! The useless journalists were just stating facts - which were stated by Google itself: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/nexus-one-changes-in-availability.html - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication this link might help you Regards, Nishant Bhargava -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Sorry, but I fail to understand your logic. How would developers around the world make an unfair competition. I would rather think that it is the other way around since they don't have access to this phone. Don't you think? If you want to say that US developers need to have a clear advantage, then your logic would make sense. Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. Are you really an engineer? Read again the above sentence and please translate into plain English. Bogdan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Hmmm... lets see.. I just went to the website of 2 of your big electronics stores, MediaMarkt and Saturn to see if I could buy the really nice Toshiba Android tablet that I saw on my last trip to Osnabrueck ... Oh.. they don't have webstores or a presence in the USA. Want to put them in the same category as BestBuy? I don't. It's a fact that not all hardware is available all over the world. In the 4 year's I spent in Germany (and NO it wasn't military, rather working for one of your large automotive supplier companies in an area where there were no US military bases) I saw a lot of neat electronic stuff that wasn't available over here. On every trip I make a point to visit MediaMarkt to find out what's new. Get used to the fact that you won't have everything available in Germany just as we don't have everything over here. Find someone who is coming over here to pick you up one or 2 (the Euro exchange price will be pretty good!) or wait until they are sold over there. THe Nexus One is (or at least was in November) available at Vodaphone. On Dec 17, 5:14 am, RobBln robert.jaemmr...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 Dez., 04:17, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. I'm sorry, but this answer is very ignorant for all non-US developers willing to develop cool new NFC and gyro apps. There is no Best Buy in Berlin, Germany and f***in' Best Buy refuses any online orders to non- US destinations. So this 19th Century U.S. only Best Buy shoppe seems to be an EPIC FAIL in a globalized economy. So, please, Google, do provide the Nexus S as a developer phone officially ASAP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
I don't see unfair competition in supplying this phone as a Dev Phone. Doesn't the android developer market allow US developers to buy the phone as well (like the nexus One and ADP2)? On Dec 19, 1:08 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, r...@thelogicbox richlarco...@gmail.comwrote: Valid point, or maybe it's intentional for non-US developers to be significantly disadvantaged? Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Understand there's logistical challenges for global distribution, but surely it's in everyone's interest to find ways for developers around the globe to gain access to such significant hardware updates before high st users (well at least not months after!). Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bogdan Hlevca bogdan.hle...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Sorry, but I fail to understand your logic. I may be mistaken, but I thought she was being sarcastic. Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. Are you really an engineer? Read again the above sentence and please translate into plain English. Seems pretty clear - there's nothing hugely new in the Nexus S besides the NFC stuff. Anything else you should be able to develop and test on other recent phones. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
I understood it that way as well, but NFC is a *major* addition... at least in the circles I run in. - Brill Pappin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bogdan Hlevca bogdan.hle...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Sorry, but I fail to understand your logic. I may be mistaken, but I thought she was being sarcastic. Yes, sorry, I should have put a smiley. (Really I should not have written it at all, darn late-night posting.) Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. Are you really an engineer? Read again the above sentence and please translate into plain English. Seems pretty clear - there's nothing hugely new in the Nexus S besides the NFC stuff. Anything else you should be able to develop and test on other recent phones. Yep. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Seems we all agree NFC is a significant hardware advancement! So the question remains for all non-US developers - how can we get our hands on hardware without paying over the odds or waiting months for our local carriers to deliver? We don't need access to every new phone that comes to market, just those introducing key advancements. NFC surely has to be up there as the most significant enhancement since Android begun? Does anyone know if there are any other NFC hardware devices or emulators we could test with? On Dec 22, 4:50 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bogdan Hlevca bogdan.hle...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Sorry, but I fail to understand your logic. I may be mistaken, but I thought she was being sarcastic. Yes, sorry, I should have put a smiley. (Really I should not have written it at all, darn late-night posting.) Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. Are you really an engineer? Read again the above sentence and please translate into plain English. Seems pretty clear - there's nothing hugely new in the Nexus S besides the NFC stuff. Anything else you should be able to develop and test on other recent phones. Yep. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Aah, assumptions. Do you know if it'll be released as an ADP 4? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
No idea. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:26 AM, MrChaz mrchazmob...@gmail.com wrote: Aah, assumptions. Do you know if it'll be released as an ADP 4? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Haha. by making sure the unfair competition advantage stays at home :) I love free trade... On Dec 18, 7:08 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, r...@thelogicbox richlarco...@gmail.comwrote: Valid point, or maybe it's intentional for non-US developers to be significantly disadvantaged? Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On 8 Dez., 04:17, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. I'm sorry, but this answer is very ignorant for all non-US developers willing to develop cool new NFC and gyro apps. There is no Best Buy in Berlin, Germany and f***in' Best Buy refuses any online orders to non- US destinations. So this 19th Century U.S. only Best Buy shoppe seems to be an EPIC FAIL in a globalized economy. So, please, Google, do provide the Nexus S as a developer phone officially ASAP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Valid point, or maybe it's intentional for non-US developers to be significantly disadvantaged? Understand there's logistical challenges for global distribution, but surely it's in everyone's interest to find ways for developers around the globe to gain access to such significant hardware updates before high st users (well at least not months after!). If you fancy sending a container downunder, i'm sure i'll be able to find enough needy developers to prepay the transit. On Dec 17, 9:14 pm, RobBln robert.jaemmr...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 Dez., 04:17, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. I'm sorry, but this answer is very ignorant for all non-US developers willing to develop cool new NFC and gyro apps. There is no Best Buy in Berlin, Germany and f***in' Best Buy refuses any online orders to non- US destinations. So this 19th Century U.S. only Best Buy shoppe seems to be an EPIC FAIL in a globalized economy. So, please, Google, do provide the Nexus S as a developer phone officially ASAP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:14 AM, RobBln robert.jaemmr...@googlemail.comwrote: On 8 Dez., 04:17, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. I'm sorry, but this answer is very ignorant for all non-US developers willing to develop cool new NFC and gyro apps. Sorry, you didn't make any mention in your original message about being non-US. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 3:48 PM, r...@thelogicbox richlarco...@gmail.comwrote: Valid point, or maybe it's intentional for non-US developers to be significantly disadvantaged? Yes, we need to protect our US application developers from unfair competition. Understand there's logistical challenges for global distribution, but surely it's in everyone's interest to find ways for developers around the globe to gain access to such significant hardware updates before high st users (well at least not months after!). Except for NFC, I don't think there is much any other high-end Android device would be holding you back from doing. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
How about sending me a free one, oh, make it an ATT network version please. I dislike T-M. (in the mean time, I'll continue to enjoy the heck out of my Nexus One) -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Sure you will, in the US... Us Canadian are always the last to gen anything google releases... it even goes to Europe first! - Brill On Dec 7, 10:17 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-)
Hi, It's a long walk from here in Australia to Best Buy, hence requesting it as a Dev phone ;-) They are starting to appear in ebay with +$200 or more over the rrp... Regards ps Wish it had 8MP+ camera (!), guess I'll have to buy some other non google nexus phone as well... On Dec 8, 2:17 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: You will be able to walk into Best Buy and buy one as soon as it comes out. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:28 PM, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Google Nexus S - Please provide as DEV phone, asap :-) Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
