[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[bagelboy]

Even with stock LVL the user can still clear the user data as it uses
Shared Preferences. Using the SD card is a good idea whether you are
using LVL or not.

LVL is a sledgehammer to crack a nut in this case.

On Dec 15, 4:18 am, Chris Stratton  wrote:
> On Dec 14, 5:33 pm, Jake Basile  wrote:
>
> > If it's for licensing, couldn't you use something like the 
> > LVL?
> > Anything you write to a system you don't control (the device) is going to be
> > non-permanent.
>
> Right idea, but bagelboy would need his own server, as I don't believe
> the android market licensing service is available for free
> applications.  Allowing it to be used for time limited trials might be
> a good idea though - it would make things very easy for the developer,
> since they'd just ship the "paid" apk and use some market setting to
> set the pre-purchase trial period.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[bagelboy]

>
> Then just use the SD card if you're only concerned about "the less savvy
> freetards".
>
> That's a great perception you have of your users, by the way.
>

I don't have a bad perception of my users, I was just being
sarcastic.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[Chris Stratton]

On Dec 14, 5:33 pm, Jake Basile  wrote:
> If it's for licensing, couldn't you use something like the 
> LVL?
> Anything you write to a system you don't control (the device) is going to be
> non-permanent.

Right idea, but bagelboy would need his own server, as I don't believe
the android market licensing service is available for free
applications.  Allowing it to be used for time limited trials might be
a good idea though - it would make things very easy for the developer,
since they'd just ship the "paid" apk and use some market setting to
set the pre-purchase trial period.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[Jake Basile]

If it's for licensing, couldn't you use something like the 
LVL? 
Anything you write to a system you don't control (the device) is going to be 
non-permanent.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[Chris Stratton]

On Dec 14, 4:12 pm, bagelboy  wrote:
> I understand your point, however as a developer I have a problem that
> needs fixing and this is one of the possible solutions.
>
> When google provide me a way to create demo and licensing algorithms
> that cannot be defeated by the user simply clearing the app data then
> I'll stop trying to find a way to create a persistent file.

The simple answer is to create the persistent file on a computer you
own (a remote server) rather than fighting google to try to create it
on one owned by the user.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[TreKing]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:12 PM, bagelboy  wrote:

> When google provide me a way to create demo and licensing algorithms that
> cannot be defeated by the user simply clearing the app data then I'll stop
> trying to find a way to create a persistent file.
>

Looks like you're never going to stop trying then. Good luck.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM, bagelboy  wrote:

> I know it's not going to defeat all freetards but it will defeat the less
> savvy freetards
>

Then just use the SD card if you're only concerned about "the less savvy
freetards".

That's a great perception you have of your users, by the way.

-
TreKing  - Chicago
transit tracking app for Android-powered devices

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[bagelboy]

No arguments here. I know it's not going to defeat all freetards but
it will defeat the less savvy freetards.

On Dec 14, 3:25 pm, TreKing  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:29 AM, bagelboy  wrote:
> > A user can clear app data, I want a file that is persistent
>
> A user can clear their SD card, or perform a factor reset to wipe their
> phones. By that logic, there's no such thing as "persistent" data storage on
> a device.
>
> -
> TreKing  - Chicago
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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[bagelboy]

I understand your point, however as a developer I have a problem that
needs fixing and this is one of the possible solutions.

When google provide me a way to create demo and licensing algorithms
that cannot be defeated by the user simply clearing the app data then
I'll stop trying to find a way to create a persistent file.

On Dec 14, 5:25 pm, Chris Stratton  wrote:
> On Dec 14, 3:29 am, bagelboy  wrote:
>
> > A user can clear app data, I want a file that is persistent
>
> If you find a way to do that, the android architects will probably
> consider it a bug in need of fixing.  As an application developer you
> aren't supposed to be able to do anything permanent to the user's
> device.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[Chris Stratton]

On Dec 14, 3:29 am, bagelboy  wrote:
> A user can clear app data, I want a file that is persistent

If you find a way to do that, the android architects will probably
consider it a bug in need of fixing.  As an application developer you
aren't supposed to be able to do anything permanent to the user's
device.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[Bret Foreman]

You should use Amazon S3 for this purpose. Not only will your data be
protected when the user clears data on the phone but the user can
access their data on multiple phones.

Here's the (beta) library from Amazon: http://aws.amazon.com/sdkforandroid/

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[TreKing]

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:29 AM, bagelboy  wrote:

> A user can clear app data, I want a file that is persistent


A user can clear their SD card, or perform a factor reset to wipe their
phones. By that logic, there's no such thing as "persistent" data storage on
a device.

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[android-developers] Re: Use shared preferences on non-app directory file

[bagelboy]

A user can clear app data, I want a file that is persistent

On Dec 13, 9:50 pm, TreKing  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, bagelboy  wrote:
> > Is there a way to use shared preferences on a different directory?
>
> What for? SharedPrefs are for storing name value pairs. What difference does
> it make where it's stored?
>
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