Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-09 Thread Daniele Segato

Hi,

It is Upon to you to decide if you want to do startService() or 
bindService()


The meaning of startService is: wake up the service (create it if 
doesn't exist) and give it this command.


The service should know what's doing and, if the command is already 
running should just discard the new request (or whatever logic fit your 
app).


BindService say: give me a binder object to the service so that I can 
ask it directly for information.


Usually you send command with startService() and then forgot you asked 
for them.


If you want to know the state of a Service instead you bind to it.

A good practice I use when I have to show the state of some operation 
going on in background is binding to a service in the activity 
onCreate() and unbinding in onDestroy().


I define my service with a binder interface to let binded activities ask 
for informations about the state of the service (how many task are 
running, how many are pending, the progress of each one for example) and 
when I need (or when the user ask) I start a command with 
startService(). I develop the service so that it know what it is doing 
(which threads are running and doing what) so I know when to call 
stopSelf() when no more threads / operations are running.


I think Google Play app is doing something similar when showing if you 
are installing / upgrading an application.


This works very well because even if your activity die, is rotated or 
you need to know what's going on from different activities you just have 
to bind to it and ask.


Said so if you need to sync data remotely when opening your activity you 
should be using SyncAdapters

http://developer.android.com/training/sync-adapters/index.html

Regards,
Daniele Segato


On 08/08/2013 08:02 PM, ashish wrote:

Hi,

suppose an activity start a background service in the oncreate method
and now user switch to other activity and when my app is working in the
background then system kill my activity life-cycle but when i return to
my activity then system call the oncreate method of  my application and
then android system again start a new service again even the last one
working in the background..

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:53:27 AM UTC-8, Daniele Segato wrote:

On 08/08/2013 01:40 PM, ashish wrote:
  I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't
find any
  valid reasons to use it. E.g.
 
   1.
 
  By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
  applications don't want.
 
   2.
 
  A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own
thread.
  But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method
  |stopService(new Intent(getApplicationContext(),
  MyService.class));| does not stop the running service. Again
this is
  a problem.
 
  If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads
are
  better than services. Am I right?

You've been already told by others that Services should be used to
MANAGE separate thread(s).

The important part is that while an application is used to interact
with
the user a Service has no UI and can run in background.

And with background I don't necessary mean off-the-main-thread.
I mean that they can run even if the application (activities) is not
used at the time.

Services have a simpler life cycle in respect to activities and they
are
not influenced or killed by the framework by changes in configurations.

Furthermore the framework will kill activities before starting to kill
services. And if the framework decide to kill your service you can
specify what you want to do with the request you received (drop it, ask
the framework to re-do it, etc...)

Services are a main component of the system and it is good practice to,
for example, use them to update underling data (better if using a
SyncAdapter) and manage remote calls.

regards,
Daniele Segato

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-09 Thread Daniele Segato

Hi,

I think you should tell to us what you are trying to do cause repeating 
that you do startService the second time and it does not work doesn't 
mean a thing if we don't know what you want to do and what your service 
does.


Regards,
Daniele Segato

On 08/08/2013 08:32 PM, ashish wrote:

Hi,
if one service is working in the background and we again start the
service then onstart method for second time does not work until first
one finish execution

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:08:54 AM UTC-8, Streets Of Boston wrote:

Send another Intent (different action) to the IntentService.
Override the onStartCommand to catch this Intent and this could
allow you to stop/interrupt the ongoing process in the
IntentService's background thread.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:04:33 PM UTC-4, ashish wrote:

Hi,

if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the
service from the other class.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher
Micinski wrote:

Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a
thread (e.g., if it's about to return from a download
operation), you want to periodically check a flag.

You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion
(from activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that
with configuration changes they're trickier to get right.
  Instead if you need background work that fits the model,
an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

Kris


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com
wrote:

I read about services in Android very carefully, but I
didn't find any valid reasons to use it. E.g.

 1.

By default services run in the main thread, which
most of the applications don't want.

 2.

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns
it own thread. But if a service runs on a seprate
thread, then the method |stopService(new
Intent(getApplicationContext(),
MyService.class));| does not stop the running
service. Again this is a problem.

If we want to do some background operations, then I
think threads are better than services. Am I right?

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[android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread ashish


I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any 
valid reasons to use it. E.g.

   1. 
   
   By default services run in the main thread, which most of the 
   applications don't want.
   2. 
   
   A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. But 
   if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method stopService(new 
   Intent(getApplicationContext(), MyService.class)); does not stop the 
   running service. Again this is a problem.
   
If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are 
better than services. Am I right?

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Kristopher Micinski
Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if
it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically
check a flag.

You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from
activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration
changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work
that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

Kris


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashish.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1.

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
applications don't want.
2.

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. But
if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method stopService(new
Intent(getApplicationContext(), MyService.class)); does not stop the
running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are
 better than services. Am I right?

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Daniele Segato

On 08/08/2013 01:40 PM, ashish wrote:

I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any
valid reasons to use it. E.g.

 1.

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
applications don't want.

 2.

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread.
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method
|stopService(new Intent(getApplicationContext(),
MyService.class));| does not stop the running service. Again this is
a problem.

If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are
better than services. Am I right?


You've been already told by others that Services should be used to 
MANAGE separate thread(s).


The important part is that while an application is used to interact with 
the user a Service has no UI and can run in background.


And with background I don't necessary mean off-the-main-thread.
I mean that they can run even if the application (activities) is not 
used at the time.


Services have a simpler life cycle in respect to activities and they are 
not influenced or killed by the framework by changes in configurations.


Furthermore the framework will kill activities before starting to kill 
services. And if the framework decide to kill your service you can 
specify what you want to do with the request you received (drop it, ask 
the framework to re-do it, etc...)


Services are a main component of the system and it is good practice to, 
for example, use them to update underling data (better if using a 
SyncAdapter) and manage remote calls.


regards,
Daniele Segato

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread ashish
Hi,

suppose an activity start a background service in the oncreate method and 
now user switch to other activity and when my app is working in the 
background then system kill my activity life-cycle but when i return to my 
activity then system call the oncreate method of  my application and then 
android system again start a new service again even the last one working in 
the background..  

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:53:27 AM UTC-8, Daniele Segato wrote:

 On 08/08/2013 01:40 PM, ashish wrote: 
  I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any 
  valid reasons to use it. E.g. 
  
   1. 
  
  By default services run in the main thread, which most of the 
  applications don't want. 
  
   2. 
  
  A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. 
  But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
  |stopService(new Intent(getApplicationContext(), 
  MyService.class));| does not stop the running service. Again this is 
  a problem. 
  
  If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are 
  better than services. Am I right? 

 You've been already told by others that Services should be used to 
 MANAGE separate thread(s). 

 The important part is that while an application is used to interact with 
 the user a Service has no UI and can run in background. 

 And with background I don't necessary mean off-the-main-thread. 
 I mean that they can run even if the application (activities) is not 
 used at the time. 

 Services have a simpler life cycle in respect to activities and they are 
 not influenced or killed by the framework by changes in configurations. 

 Furthermore the framework will kill activities before starting to kill 
 services. And if the framework decide to kill your service you can 
 specify what you want to do with the request you received (drop it, ask 
 the framework to re-do it, etc...) 

 Services are a main component of the system and it is good practice to, 
 for example, use them to update underling data (better if using a 
 SyncAdapter) and manage remote calls. 

 regards, 
 Daniele Segato 


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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread ashish
Hi,

if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the service from the 
other class.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

 Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

 FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if 
 it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically 
 check a flag.

 You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from 
 activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration 
 changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work 
 that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

 Kris


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any 
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1. 

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the 
applications don't want.
2. 

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. 
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
 stopService(new 
Intent(getApplicationContext(), MyService.class)); does not stop the 
running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are 
 better than services. Am I right?
  
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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Kristopher Micinski
That's not how it works, you're misunderstanding services.

That's what happens if you use a thread, so in fact you're exactly
switching the meaning of a service.

First of all, the service won't have it's `onStart` executed until your
oncreate returns anyway, since it just pushes messages onto the looper.
 Then the service will be started, but if it's already doing work, just
recognize that by keeping some sort of state inside your service.

Kris


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM, ashish ashish.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 suppose an activity start a background service in the oncreate method and
 now user switch to other activity and when my app is working in the
 background then system kill my activity life-cycle but when i return to my
 activity then system call the oncreate method of  my application and then
 android system again start a new service again even the last one working in
 the background..


 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:53:27 AM UTC-8, Daniele Segato wrote:

 On 08/08/2013 01:40 PM, ashish wrote:
  I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any
  valid reasons to use it. E.g.
 
   1.
 
  By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
  applications don't want.
 
   2.
 
  A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread.
  But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method
  |stopService(new Intent(getApplicationContext()**,
  MyService.class));| does not stop the running service. Again this
 is
  a problem.
 
  If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are
  better than services. Am I right?

 You've been already told by others that Services should be used to
 MANAGE separate thread(s).

 The important part is that while an application is used to interact with
 the user a Service has no UI and can run in background.

 And with background I don't necessary mean off-the-main-thread.
 I mean that they can run even if the application (activities) is not
 used at the time.

 Services have a simpler life cycle in respect to activities and they are
 not influenced or killed by the framework by changes in configurations.

 Furthermore the framework will kill activities before starting to kill
 services. And if the framework decide to kill your service you can
 specify what you want to do with the request you received (drop it, ask
 the framework to re-do it, etc...)

 Services are a main component of the system and it is good practice to,
 for example, use them to update underling data (better if using a
 SyncAdapter) and manage remote calls.

 regards,
 Daniele Segato

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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Streets Of Boston
Send another Intent (different action) to the IntentService. Override the 
onStartCommand to catch this Intent and this could allow you to 
stop/interrupt the ongoing process in the IntentService's background thread.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:04:33 PM UTC-4, ashish wrote:

 Hi,

 if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the service from the 
 other class.

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

 Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

 FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if 
 it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically 
 check a flag.

 You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from 
 activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration 
 changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work 
 that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

 Kris


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any 
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1. 

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the 
applications don't want.
2. 

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. 
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
 stopService(new 
Intent(getApplicationContext(), MyService.class)); does not stop the 
running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are 
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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Kristopher Micinski
You send a message to the service to stop the thread.  Then the service
stops the thread, by setting some flag or condition variable.

Kris


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM, ashish ashish.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the service from the
 other class.


 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

 Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

 FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if
 it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically
 check a flag.

 You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from
 activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration
 changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work
 that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

 Kris


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1.

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
applications don't want.
2.

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread.
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
 stopService(new
Intent(getApplicationContext()**, MyService.class)); does not stop
the running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are
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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread ashish
Hi,
if one service is working in the background and we again start the service 
then onstart method for second time does not work until first one finish 
execution

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:08:54 AM UTC-8, Streets Of Boston wrote:

 Send another Intent (different action) to the IntentService. Override the 
 onStartCommand to catch this Intent and this could allow you to 
 stop/interrupt the ongoing process in the IntentService's background thread.

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:04:33 PM UTC-4, ashish wrote:

 Hi,

 if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the service from 
 the other class.

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

 Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

 FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if 
 it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically 
 check a flag.

 You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from 
 activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration 
 changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work 
 that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

 Kris


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any 
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1. 

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the 
applications don't want.
2. 

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread. 
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
 stopService(new 
Intent(getApplicationContext(), MyService.class)); does not stop 
the running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are 
 better than services. Am I right?
  
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Re: [android-developers] What is the use of services in Android?

2013-08-08 Thread Kristopher Micinski
When you start the same service again, it just has its onstart called:
nothing changes.  There's no such thing as a second service created,
there's only one of them in memory.

Additionally: I think everyone has mentioned that services run on the main
thread: how would one be running in the background and have another pop up.
 There's only one service, and as long as you send it messages it gets them.

If you instead mean that you're having `onStart` delayed until the other
one finishes, that's because it runs on the main thread.  By the way, you
shouldn't be doing anything in `onStart`, the same as how you shouldn't do
anything blocking in activities.  Again, you just *coordinate* threads
using your service.

Kris



On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM, ashish ashish.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 if one service is working in the background and we again start the service
 then onstart method for second time does not work until first one finish
 execution


 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:08:54 AM UTC-8, Streets Of Boston wrote:

 Send another Intent (different action) to the IntentService. Override the
 onStartCommand to catch this Intent and this could allow you to
 stop/interrupt the ongoing process in the IntentService's background thread.

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:04:33 PM UTC-4, ashish wrote:

 Hi,

 if a service starts a  new thread then how i can stop the service from
 the other class.

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:51:19 AM UTC-8, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

 Usually you use a service to coordinate a thread.

 FYI most of the time you don't want to outright kill a thread (e.g., if
 it's about to return from a download operation), you want to periodically
 check a flag.

 You probably don't want to use threads in their raw fashion (from
 activities) for a few reasons, one of which being that with configuration
 changes they're trickier to get right.  Instead if you need background work
 that fits the model, an AsyncTask is an appropriate design.

 Kris


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:40 AM, ashish ashis...@gmail.com wrote:

 I read about services in Android very carefully, but I didn't find any
 valid reasons to use it. E.g.

1.

By default services run in the main thread, which most of the
applications don't want.
2.

A service can run on a seperate thread if it spawns it own thread.
But if a service runs on a seprate thread, then the method 
 stopService(new
Intent(getApplicationContext()**, MyService.class)); does not stop
the running service. Again this is a problem.

 If we want to do some background operations, then I think threads are
 better than services. Am I right?

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