Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Mark Phillips]

I have the same observation. However, I don't know where everyone went!

I recently posted to stack overflow and received more and faster responses
(ie no responses from this list). When I google for an android issue, I get
lots of stack overflow response.

Maybe stack-overflow is better.

Mark

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> I used to get dozens of posts per day from this
> list.  Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Steve Gabrilowitz]

seems to me that in addition to the traffic volume going down, the ratio of
unanswered questions is going up - maybe that's part of the reason?
On Oct 23, 2015 3:15 PM, "Mark Phillips"  wrote:

> I have the same observation. However, I don't know where everyone went!
>
> I recently posted to stack overflow and received more and faster responses
> (ie no responses from this list). When I google for an android issue, I get
> lots of stack overflow response.
>
> Maybe stack-overflow is better.
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Tobiah  wrote:
>
>> I used to get dozens of posts per day from this
>> list.  Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[TreKing]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Tobiah  wrote:

> Has the buzz moved to another forum?


Google dropped official support for this forum quite some time ago, in
favor of StackOverflow. There was a post, either in this group or the dev
blog, or somewhere (can't find it now) announcing such. After that,
Googlers (D. Hackborn et al) and more prominent members like Mark Murphy
slowly stopped posting, and the traffic has been in perpetual decline.

Shame - there have been some good times in this group.

-
TreKing  - Chicago
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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Mark Phillips]

TreKing - thanks for the clarification!

Someone at Google should update https://developer.android.com/support.html
and remove the link to this group if they really want to kill it.

I submitted a bug report -
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=191384. Not sure if it
will really bubble to the top of the stack anytime soon! ;)

Mark

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, TreKing  wrote:

>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Tobiah  wrote:
>
>> Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>
>
> Google dropped official support for this forum quite some time ago, in
> favor of StackOverflow. There was a post, either in this group or the dev
> blog, or somewhere (can't find it now) announcing such. After that,
> Googlers (D. Hackborn et al) and more prominent members like Mark Murphy
> slowly stopped posting, and the traffic has been in perpetual decline.
>
> Shame - there have been some good times in this group.
>
>
> -
> TreKing  - Chicago
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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Kristopher Micinski]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Mark Phillips
 wrote:
> I recently posted to stack overflow and received more and faster responses
> (ie no responses from this list). When I google for an android issue, I get
> lots of stack overflow response.

Along with this, I think the number of questions that warrant a novel
answer are going down: i.e., I don't as frequently see questions that
ask challenging technical questions that can't be looked up in API
documentation.

StackOverflow's android tag is generally of low quality compared to
some other tags because it contains lots of people asking questions
that could easily be answered by looking at the API documentation. But
SO's model incentivizes people to answer these questions anyway, since
they'll receive points. (Of course, SO as a community knows this and
does seem to care about closing these questions actively, but it still
persists.)

Along with the reasons TreKing mentioned, you might also consider that
over time a large knowledge base of Android answers has accumulated,
meaning that new questions are less frequent. (Possible counterpoint:
the API is always changing.) I think the big reason things have
dropped off is that the most valuable answers were given by
Android/Google's staff, who don't post as frequently. Some still post
on other lists, e.g., `android-platform` or
`android-security-discuss`.

Kris

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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Mark Phillips]

Well, I got a response to my bug report (
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=191384). I asked that
the link to android-developers forum be removed and a link to Stack
Overflow added. Here is the first comment so far.

"Because StackOverFlow is Not a , And If a new Developper
Didn'nt Notice by himself/herself that StackOverFlow  Then this
person should Not Developp, This also can be interpreted as a 
So don't Modify it"

I guess I should consider myself spanked for the temerity of questioning
the conscience of the king.

I agree with Kris that the responses on Stack Overflow can be less than
optimal, and it takes a fair amount of effort to wade through the chaff to
find the wheat. I think the volume on Stack Overflow is caused more by (a)
changing nature of the Android API (b) increasing numbers of new Android
developers (
http://blog.appfigures.com/app-stores-growth-accelerates-in-2014/).

It seems the five of us have done our bit this week to keep the
android-developers forum alive!

Mark

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Kristopher Micinski  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Mark Phillips
>  wrote:
> > I recently posted to stack overflow and received more and faster
> responses
> > (ie no responses from this list). When I google for an android issue, I
> get
> > lots of stack overflow response.
>
> Along with this, I think the number of questions that warrant a novel
> answer are going down: i.e., I don't as frequently see questions that
> ask challenging technical questions that can't be looked up in API
> documentation.
>
> StackOverflow's android tag is generally of low quality compared to
> some other tags because it contains lots of people asking questions
> that could easily be answered by looking at the API documentation. But
> SO's model incentivizes people to answer these questions anyway, since
> they'll receive points. (Of course, SO as a community knows this and
> does seem to care about closing these questions actively, but it still
> persists.)
>
> Along with the reasons TreKing mentioned, you might also consider that
> over time a large knowledge base of Android answers has accumulated,
> meaning that new questions are less frequent. (Possible counterpoint:
> the API is always changing.) I think the big reason things have
> dropped off is that the most valuable answers were given by
> Android/Google's staff, who don't post as frequently. Some still post
> on other lists, e.g., `android-platform` or
> `android-security-discuss`.
>
> Kris
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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[Daniele Segato]

Oh!
I totally missed that!

someone at Google should also write this in capital letter and make a 
sticky post stay on the top and redirecting to stack overflow.


On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 4:23:40 AM UTC+2, Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> TreKing - thanks for the clarification!
>
> Someone at Google should update https://developer.android.com/support.html 
> and remove the link to this group if they really want to kill it.
>
> I submitted a bug report - 
> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=191384. Not sure if it 
> will really bubble to the top of the stack anytime soon! ;)
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, TreKing 
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Tobiah > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>>
>>
>> Google dropped official support for this forum quite some time ago, in 
>> favor of StackOverflow. There was a post, either in this group or the dev 
>> blog, or somewhere (can't find it now) announcing such. After that, 
>> Googlers (D. Hackborn et al) and more prominent members like Mark Murphy 
>> slowly stopped posting, and the traffic has been in perpetual decline.
>>
>> Shame - there have been some good times in this group.
>>
>>
>> -
>> TreKing  - Chicago 
>> transit tracking app for Android-powered devices
>>
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[jtoolsdev]

And before they wanted developers to use StackOverflow they wanted us to 
use the Google+ developr groups which are kind of a mess to sort through.  
And then there was the Android Google group for those who were publishing 
apps on the "Android Market".  That was a fun group with many folks whose 
experience with software development way predated Android (or Palm for that 
matter).

On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-7, TreKing wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Tobiah > 
> wrote:
>
>> Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>
>
> Google dropped official support for this forum quite some time ago, in 
> favor of StackOverflow. There was a post, either in this group or the dev 
> blog, or somewhere (can't find it now) announcing such. After that, 
> Googlers (D. Hackborn et al) and more prominent members like Mark Murphy 
> slowly stopped posting, and the traffic has been in perpetual decline.
>
> Shame - there have been some good times in this group.
>
>
> -
> TreKing  - Chicago 
> transit tracking app for Android-powered devices
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is this list dying?

[luiX_]

It seems normal: people using stack overflow usually (not so often) search
of an answer before asking, it wan't the common way of doing things. I
dropped my atention from this forum because I used to see the same
questions over and over again.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:54 PM jtoolsdev  wrote:

> And before they wanted developers to use StackOverflow they wanted us to
> use the Google+ developr groups which are kind of a mess to sort through.
> And then there was the Android Google group for those who were publishing
> apps on the "Android Market".  That was a fun group with many folks whose
> experience with software development way predated Android (or Palm for that
> matter).
>
> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-7, TreKing wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Tobiah  wrote:
>>
>>> Has the buzz moved to another forum?
>>
>>
>> Google dropped official support for this forum quite some time ago, in
>> favor of StackOverflow. There was a post, either in this group or the dev
>> blog, or somewhere (can't find it now) announcing such. After that,
>> Googlers (D. Hackborn et al) and more prominent members like Mark Murphy
>> slowly stopped posting, and the traffic has been in perpetual decline.
>>
>> Shame - there have been some good times in this group.
>>
>>
>> -
>> TreKing  - Chicago
>> transit tracking app for Android-powered devices
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