Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. I'm sure more than one of us would be willing to do that if it meant more support... On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:24 PM, fadden fad...@android.com wrote: On Mar 3, 6:52 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, fadden fad...@android.com wrote: Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. Well there's an idea ... :D I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. I never claimed that you all responding was some kind of success - I think we can all agree this thread was overall rather pointless (in fact I said so early on). I'm simply pointing out the fact that 5 of you now have taken a few minutes of your time to comment on this thread and that that is so much more than we can expect regarding actual, legitimate issues concerning the Android Market. Yes, I realize none of you work on Market and I'm by no means trying to group you all with those idiots. So many of you are readily available to contribute to many threads and it's always appreciated. It's the fact that there's not even a single individual on the Market end of things that is willing or able to contribute to even the simplest of issues that has me so royally peeved. But whatever. I don't expect any of you to understand. I'm sure things are nice and cushy being on the inside. But man oh man if you could experience life as a lowly Android Devlepor for just one week you might start ranting and bitching as much as I do around here. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Of course! Probably more so than most. However, you didn't respond to the thread I linked to, so my statement still stands. Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. Oh, I think you mean this thread, concerning being banned from the Market: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cf94566a81affbfb Of course you are correct - this forum is not about the Market and, as you posted, questions should go to the Market Support Forum. Fair enough. So let's take a look over there, shall we? Here is the same question about the in-app billing not working: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=331d1590e7ae94dbhl=en And here is the same question about the content policy that you told the OP to post in the support forum: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?fid=6d6cc0380c0b10d500049d3f4f0f3433hl=en Now let's count the total number of responses from Google. Zero. In fact, the only response to either question is from yours truly telling the poster that no one is going to respond to them. Even sadder, my responses are the best answer. Unfortunately, I continue to be correct. See, the problem is that people go to the official support forum looking for help and they get ignored. Then they move over into other Android-related forums hoping to get answers. Unfortunately, they are either ignored again or are re-directed back to the appropriate forum where they were ignored to begin with. It is *beyond* frustrating. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. Understood. I meant no offense to any of you and I'm sure the other two that I personally have not seen around here before help out elsewhere that I'm not aware of. My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. And *that* is what I find so very sad about this situation. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Agree with everything you said TreKing. While I really appreciate the effort Dianne shows towards this list, I wish there were more Android developers putting the same effort out in other areas of the Android ecosystem. Having such insight into the Market would be a very welcome addition. -- Chris Stewart http://chriswstewart.com On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Of course! Probably more so than most. However, you didn't respond to the thread I linked to, so my statement still stands. Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. Oh, I think you mean this thread, concerning being banned from the Market: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cf94566a81affbfb Of course you are correct - this forum is not about the Market and, as you posted, questions should go to the Market Support Forum. Fair enough. So let's take a look over there, shall we? Here is the same question about the in-app billing not working: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=331d1590e7ae94dbhl=en And here is the same question about the content policy that you told the OP to post in the support forum: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?fid=6d6cc0380c0b10d500049d3f4f0f3433hl=en Now let's count the total number of responses from Google. Zero. In fact, the only response to either question is from yours truly telling the poster that no one is going to respond to them. Even sadder, my responses are the best answer. Unfortunately, I continue to be correct. See, the problem is that people go to the official support forum looking for help and they get ignored. Then they move over into other Android-related forums hoping to get answers. Unfortunately, they are either ignored again or are re-directed back to the appropriate forum where they were ignored to begin with. It is *beyond* frustrating. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. Understood. I meant no offense to any of you and I'm sure the other two that I personally have not seen around here before help out elsewhere that I'm not aware of. My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. And *that* is what I find so very sad about this situation. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone name an app that's been removed from the market that didn't deserve it? Take your pick: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/search.py?ctx=en%3Asearchboxforum=1query=app+suspended Many of those posts are from people that did not realize they were violating any terms. Some of them are very clear that they don't think they did anything wrong, don't know why they got pulled, and just want to know the reason so they can update their apps and not violate anything. But of course when Google yanks an app, they don't explain *why*. Maybe you violated terms, or maybe someone on the Market team is having a bad day and picks an app at random. Who knows. This is fairly convenient as not providing a reason means Google has nothing to defend, can yank apps at their whim, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Hmm. Lots of them. When Mars comes around next time for its closest pass, we'll have to send a message to the market team about that. Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but life hasn't been discovered on Mars yet. For all we know, the Market team is stationed on Europa or Titan. Perhaps we should scatter the message across the whole solar system. Of course we may be missing the most obvious answer: Mole people perhaps? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
you do know that means spam against anyone. Not just him On 2 Mar 2011 05:29, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp:// source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8. .. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
There are always idiots like this in any platform, something is not right for them, so they have to decide they are the voice of everyone else, To be honest the only part of this that worries me is. * we will dissuade other developers* *from developing Android projects, and we will work tirelessly to* *counter any of Google's hypocritical claims about Openness in the* *media.* * * Not so worried about whatever this guy made disapearing, but how many good developers pushed away by the likely lies spouted by him? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: This is silly. Can't you find something better to do? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
2011/3/2 JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) jalex...@gmail.com H who do I really hate? Ironically, the fact that you have written this, makes it more obvious what a nightmare Android Market is at the moment. Can you explain that? I'm pretty sure she was joking, and I at least thought it was pretty funny. Something I would say =) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/318e43185f556724/fd60e3b077091a15?lnk=raot asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
I'm with it :) might as well give it a shot. On Mar 2, 2011 10:55 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: As Bill Ted would say, this is sad and bogus at the same time... On Mar 3, 11:41 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent thread http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Do I not count as a response from Google? Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/318e43185f556724/fd60e3b077091a15?lnk=raot asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Rich, I am very sorry you feel this way. However, setting up an online form that may be used by anyone to spam a few individuals working on Android is not the appropriate solution (especially since these individuals, including myself, do *not* work on Market.) On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8...http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ab94cdf1c46d90d2 --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
H who do I really hate? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp:// source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
