Re: [anti-abuse-wg] So many idiots. So little time.
In message , you wrote: >Am 13.08.22 um 14:13 schrieb jer...@hackersbescherming.nl: >> I would say perfect for that anti abuse training! > >Training is useful if you want to learn and achieve the training subject >matter. Serverius (like many other >hosting/colocation providers) is in the business of deflecting trouble from >their customers. In an old antispam forum >post I found this quote without exact source, which could be used verbatim by >most of them: > >> Serverius IT infrastructure is providing underlying infrastructure services >> without any hosting activities. Serverius >> is not a hosting provider as it has no data carrier hardware like servers or >> disk storage services under management >> (only our clients do). Serverius is only providing the parent data center >> colocation of client hardware and/or IP >> connectivity services that are used by clients to build their own >> infrastructure. Their services are used by millions >> of companies in the world. Therefore Serverius does not know what Serverius >> network users are hosting (it's >> technically impossible for us to see and forbidden by law) and Serverius is >> therefore not liable for what our customer >> hosts behind its own network and/or on his own infrastructure. >Legally, they may be right (of course they are not allowed to peek into their >customer's servers). However, there's >something more to it - you could have contract and AUP clauses which prohibit >spamming/abuse and give the provider >leverage to enforce that prohibition. But some providers apparently prefer to >keep such clauses out of their contracts >and don't want to waste money on abuse desk training because a well-paying >customer is a well-paying customer after all. >"Pecunia non olet", as Vespasian is reported to have said. Digital Ocean apparently has the exact same sort of "Not our problem man!" attitude. I've reported spams to them, and they say "OK, thanks. We have forwarded this to our customer." (Nice of them to do this so that their customer can then DDoS me.) Regards, rfg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] So many idiots. So little time.
Am 13.08.22 um 14:13 schrieb jer...@hackersbescherming.nl: I would say perfect for that anti abuse training! Training is useful if you want to learn and achieve the training subject matter. Serverius (like many other hosting/colocation providers) is in the business of deflecting trouble from their customers. In an old antispam forum post I found this quote without exact source, which could be used verbatim by most of them: Serverius IT infrastructure is providing underlying infrastructure services without any hosting activities. Serverius is not a hosting provider as it has no data carrier hardware like servers or disk storage services under management (only our clients do). Serverius is only providing the parent data center colocation of client hardware and/or IP connectivity services that are used by clients to build their own infrastructure. Their services are used by millions of companies in the world. Therefore Serverius does not know what Serverius network users are hosting (it's technically impossible for us to see and forbidden by law) and Serverius is therefore not liable for what our customer hosts behind its own network and/or on his own infrastructure. Legally, they may be right (of course they are not allowed to peek into their customer's servers). However, there's something more to it - you could have contract and AUP clauses which prohibit spamming/abuse and give the provider leverage to enforce that prohibition. But some providers apparently prefer to keep such clauses out of their contracts and don't want to waste money on abuse desk training because a well-paying customer is a well-paying customer after all. "Pecunia non olet", as Vespasian is reported to have said. Those are not the target group for anti abuse training. They would probably need it, but first they would need the will to stop network abuse emanating from their infrastructure. Cheers, Hans-Martin -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] So many idiots. So little time.
I would say perfect for that anti abuse training! Because if u can't solve the below and some other important issues that excist (for at least one or more decades) with the current system that whole training is useless. Even when it's made with good intentions and all, in my opinion it's useless and will not solve the real problem. Just like all the big problems in this world why not try to create patches that create even more problems instead of solving the real issue I couldn't resist to react on this one (sorry) -Original Message- From: anti-abuse-wg On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: zaterdag 13 augustus 2022 01:01 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] So many idiots. So little time. [ part 1 - text/plain - Notification 574B ] This is the mail system at host segfault.tristatelogic.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system : host mail.serverius.net[91.221.69.174] said: 554 5.7.1 This message has been blocked because ASE reports it as spam. (in reply to end of DATA command) [ part 2 - message/delivery-status - Delivery report 435B (suppressed) ] [ part 3 - message/rfc822 - Undelivered Message 23.2KB ] Number is required after -h Return-Path: Received: by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix, from userid 1237) id 754EF4E7D0; Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: ab...@serverius.net Cc: spamrepo...@tristatelogic.com Subject: Spam from your network (AS50673): [194.104.236.160] Date: 12 Aug 2022 14:59:24 -0700 X-Rfg-Spam-Report: (AS50673): [194.104.236.160] Message-Id: <20220812215924.754ef4e...@segfault.tristatelogic.com> ... -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
