Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

[Alessandro Vesely]

Hi chairs, all,

I think this is a great working group.  Periods of silence are physiological; 
for example, they may arise after a thorough discussion about a proposed point 
which is eventually found to be unfeasible.  The idea to force every abuse-c to 
actually receive email messages and act on them suits that example.


If there are security topics that the current charter doesn't cover, 
re-chartering is certainly a good idea.  The chairs are great, especially 
Brian, and I see no reason to select new ones.  Closing the working group would 
be a matter of regret and I hope it's not going to happen.



Best
Ale


On Thu 21/Mar/2024 10:09:00 +0100 Markus de Brün wrote:


Dear Anti-Abuse Working Group Members,


As Co-Chairs, we have been carefully monitoring the discussions on the mailing 
list and are concerned about the current state of stagnation and lack of progress.


After consideration and discussion among the Co-Chairs, we believe it is 
necessary to initiate a dialogue regarding the future direction of our working 
group. Some action is needed to revitalise our efforts.



The Co-Chairs have discussed a number of options, both between ourselves and 
with the RIPE Chair Team. However, due to the lack of general engagement, and 
the circular conversations on the list, we see three viable options at this point::



 1.

Re-charteringthe working group, possibly transitioning it into a Security
Working Group to broaden our scope and address related concerns
comprehensively. (The current charter can be found here:
https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/anti-abuse/
)

 2.

It is possible we are simply the wrong Co-Chairs at the wrong time, so we
can step-downand allow the working group to select new Co-Chairs.

 3.

Closing the working groupif consensus cannot be reached on a viable path
forward.


It may be that there are people in the Working Group who are eager to propose 
new policies, or embark on a project to systematically examine the abuse 
ecosystem, but over the last year or so, there has been no evidence this is the 
case.



However, we firmly believe that the best course of action is to engage all 
members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group in an open and transparent discussion 
about the challenges we face and the opportunities for positive change. Your 
input and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of our community.



Therefore, we are inviting you to participate actively in this crucial 
conversation. We encourage you to share your thoughts, suggestions, and 
concerns regarding the current state of the working group and your vision for 
its future direction.



Your input will help inform our next steps and guide the evolution of the 
Anti-Abuse Working Group. We encourage you to share your feedback openly on the 
mailing list so that all members can participate in the conversation. We hope 
to discuss the status at RIPE88.



Thank you for reading this far. We look forward to your active participation in 
shaping the future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.



Best regards,

Brian, Tobias, Markus





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[anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

[Markus de Brün]

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Dear Anti-Abuse Working Group Members,


As Co-Chairs, we have been carefully monitoring the discussions on the 
mailing list and are concerned about the current state of stagnation and 
lack of progress.


After consideration and discussion among the Co-Chairs, we believe it is 
necessary to initiate a dialogue regarding the future direction of our 
working group. Some action is needed to revitalise our efforts.



The Co-Chairs have discussed a number of options, both between ourselves 
and with the RIPE Chair Team. However, due to the lack of general 
engagement, and the circular conversations on the list, we see three 
viable options at this point::



1.

   Re-charteringthe working group, possibly transitioning it into a
   Security Working Group to broaden our scope and address related
   concerns comprehensively. (The current charter can be found here:
   https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/anti-abuse/
   )

2.

   It is possible we are simply the wrong Co-Chairs at the wrong time,
   so we can step-downand allow the working group to select new Co-Chairs.

3.

   Closing the working groupif consensus cannot be reached on a viable
   path forward.


It may be that there are people in the Working Group who are eager to 
propose new policies, or embark on a project to systematically examine 
the abuse ecosystem, but over the last year or so, there has been no 
evidence this is the case.



However, we firmly believe that the best course of action is to engage 
all members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group in an open and transparent 
discussion about the challenges we face and the opportunities for 
positive change. Your input and perspectives are invaluable in shaping 
the future of our community.



Therefore, we are inviting you to participate actively in this crucial 
conversation. We encourage you to share your thoughts, suggestions, and 
concerns regarding the current state of the working group and your 
vision for its future direction.



Your input will help inform our next steps and guide the evolution of 
the Anti-Abuse Working Group. We encourage you to share your feedback 
openly on the mailing list so that all members can participate in the 
conversation. We hope to discuss the status at RIPE88.



Thank you for reading this far. We look forward to your active 
participation in shaping the future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.



Best regards,

Brian, Tobias, Markus

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