Re: JUST A MORAL OBLIGATION [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

2001-08-14 Thread Hcottin

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Rich,
Go to the link. Sadly, it is just a new group of people in the Balkans 
who thought they could be left undisturbed by the rampages of the US 
government and NATO. (good sources there, though, it is well done, the 
webpage).

As they calmly went about their Macedonian independent business for the 
past 10 years or so, many of the people of Macedonia may have thought they 
would be safe from NATO machinations . Now,  they are learning the truth. The 
same forces that broke up Yugoslavia and the liars who talk out of two sides 
of their mouths are coming after them. To paraphrase Niemoeller,
 They came for the Slovenians but I wasn't a Slovenian, so I didn't speak 
out, and they came for the Croatians but I wasn't a Croatian so i didn't 
speak out, and they came for the Bosnians, but I wasn't a Bosnian so i didn't 
speak out, and they came for the Serbs (they ALWAYS came for the Serbs) and I 
didn't speak out., And now when they came for the Macedonians (and make no 
mistake it will be the Greeks, next, in Chimeria, as the fascists among the 
Albanians call it), there was no one left to speak out. 

So many of the Yugoslav people in the US and Canada are and were 
conservative and anti-socialist, that they never really understood why the 
US/NATO went after their country. It is infuriating, but that is a major part 
of the problem. So many are bewildered and depressed and confused by the 
events of the last 12 years. They see the connection with oil and resources, 
pipelines and  cheap labor of the east, but they don't REALLY  get it, 
because they may not have opposed US policy toward the rest of the world or 
may  have been beneficiaries of the system which exploits others. 
The Anti-Globalist movement needs to take this on. To oppose NATO 
expansion is a priority that has to make the links with anti-imperialist 
struggle and the anti-Militarist struggle. It's coming. Some of the youth see 
it. We are all trying to clarify it.  I am optimistic!
Regards, 
Heather 

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Re: JUST A MORAL OBLIGATION [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

2001-08-14 Thread Richard Roper

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Heather,

yes, I found it was one I had visited before. A lot of
the Macedonian leadership STILL don't realise what's
happening. 

What I really object to is the role of our very own
Master Tony and his acolytes in this.
One news item - they started work on the crucial
underwater Bosporus crossing section of the pipeline
last month - it was obvious that the stories of
short-distance pipelines from Varna and a Black Sea
ferry service of supertankers was a blind. 

Nice 0ne - I'd forgotten about the Pastor Neimoller
quote.

The reason for this is that in the US. and Canada many
are related to Ustasa or Chetniks who left in 1945 or
have been influenced by them. Another problem is lack
of publicity on the WWII massacres - no co-incidence,
i discovered that truman and the US. gov't were very
strongly pro-Mikhailovic and the Chetniks, far more so
than their British creators, with several spreads in
Time devoted to him and a faction of the US.
administration - (the C. on FR, and Dulles) -  wanted
to go for the old British scheme of an invasion in SE.
Europe to put him in power, well after the British had
switched to Tito.

The result is more clarity in Britain, the Ustasa's
activities were known years ago and strangely some of
the strongest voices were right-wing - former militaty
liaison officers to Tito's HQ. Straight in in 1991 -
Fourth Reich !.
There were some very good documentaries on The
Ratlines.

But we have another problem, the Left almost
entirely went along with the official propaganda. I'm
just firing off a few broadsides at the moment to try
to get them to take some action on macedonia,

RR.


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 Rich,
 Go to the link. Sadly, it is just a new group of
 people in the Balkans 
 who thought they could be left undisturbed by the
 rampages of the US 
 government and NATO. (good sources there, though, it
 is well done, the 
 webpage).
 
 As they calmly went about their Macedonian
 independent business for the 
 past 10 years or so, many of the people of Macedonia
 may have thought they 
 would be safe from NATO machinations . Now,  they
 are learning the truth. The 
 same forces that broke up Yugoslavia and the liars
 who talk out of two sides 
 of their mouths are coming after them. To paraphrase
 Niemoeller,
  They came for the Slovenians but I wasn't a
 Slovenian, so I didn't speak 
 out, and they came for the Croatians but I wasn't a
 Croatian so i didn't 
 speak out, and they came for the Bosnians, but I
 wasn't a Bosnian so i didn't 
 speak out, and they came for the Serbs (they ALWAYS
 came for the Serbs) and I 
 didn't speak out., And now when they came for the
 Macedonians (and make no 
 mistake it will be the Greeks, next, in Chimeria,
 as the fascists among the 
 Albanians call it), there was no one left to speak
 out. 
 
 So many of the Yugoslav people in the US and
 Canada are and were 
 conservative and anti-socialist, that they never
 really understood why the 
 US/NATO went after their country. It is infuriating,
 but that is a major part 
 of the problem. So many are bewildered and depressed
 and confused by the 
 events of the last 12 years. They see the connection
 with oil and resources, 
 pipelines and  cheap labor of the east, but they
 don't REALLY  get it, 
 because they may not have opposed US policy toward
 the rest of the world or 
 may  have been beneficiaries of the system which
 exploits others. 
 The Anti-Globalist movement needs to take this
 on. To oppose NATO 
 expansion is a priority that has to make the links
 with anti-imperialist 
 struggle and the anti-Militarist struggle. It's
 coming. Some of the youth see 
 it. We are all trying to clarify it.  I am
 optimistic!
 Regards, 
 Heather 
 
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