Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver Authentication and Applet

[Rob Mayoff]

+-- On Mar 6, Karthik said:
> I need to pass the username that the user enters to my java code as an applet
> parameter. How can I do it ?

Instead of typing in "hostname:port/xyz.html", you should type in
"hostname:port/xyz.tcl". Make xyz.tcl a Tcl program that generates the
HTML that loads the applet. xyz.tcl can get the HTTP username using
[ns_conn authuser] and put it in a PARAM tag in the APPLET entity. For
example:

set username [ns_quotehtml [ns_conn authuser]]
ns_return 200 text/html "
My Applet





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"

In your applet, you can access that parameter using the getParameter
method of the Applet class.



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[AOLSERVER] AOLserver Authentication and Applet

[Karthik]

Hello,
I have an AOL-Server running which loads an applet in a browser window aftter
the user types in the correct username and password . I use the AOL-Server
authentication module - which throws up the password window. I am not sure -
how to pass the username to my applet code. Any suggestions ?

This is the flow - I type in  hostname:portnumber/xyz.html - AOL server throws
up the authentication window and I type in the username and password - click OK
and then my applet loads from xyz.html.

I need to pass the username that the user enters to my java code as an applet
parameter. How can I do it ?

-k



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[AOLSERVER] more modules for Jamie's list

[Andrew Piskorski]

Jamie, here are some AOLserver modules that are missing from your
list:
  http://empoweringminds.mle.ie/openacs/aolserver_modules

You've got most of the programming languages listed on the AOLserver
Wiki, but at least PHP and Stanard ML are missing:

  http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver
  http://www.smlserver.org/

Also, the Tcl Threads extension, which is an enhanced superset of
AOLserver thread, nsv, etc. functionality, specifically supports
compiling as an AOLserver module, so you should probably list it too:

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl/

It would probably make sense to eventually build the Threads extension
as a standard component of AOLserver, as an alternative (or completely
in place of) the older AOLserver nsv stuff.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] Topic gripe .. was Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[madhusudhanarao sunkara]

hi,
i guessed you are right they are talking something
diffenernt other than  aolserver virtual hosting.
there is nothing to do with the discussion
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:49:43 -0500
I assume this thread of conversation falls under the 'fantasy' part of the
subject line? Can we start a new thread please? J2EE or Vignette or Other
Technologies or something. This hasn't had anything to do with virtual
hosting for about 20 messages now :)


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[AOLSERVER] Topic gripe .. was Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[alfred]

I assume this thread of conversation falls under the 'fantasy' part of the
subject line? Can we start a new thread please? J2EE or Vignette or Other
Technologies or something. This hasn't had anything to do with virtual
hosting for about 20 messages now :)



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Re: [AOLSERVER] AS 4.0 (beta 2) running on privledge port

[Peter M. Jansson]

4.0b2 on RH8, at the moment, but it was a customized 6.2 up until last
Wednesday, all with the -b running.  My nssock is global, and here's its
config:
ns_section ns/module/nssock
ns_param   port$httpport
ns_param   hostname$hostname
ns_param   address $address
Where I've previously done:

set httpport 80
set hostname somehostname
set address 192.168.1.239
If you don't set the address in the nssock config, it might use INADDR_ANY
as the default, and if you don't prebind to all addresses (including the
loopback), you would probably get permission failures binding to the port.
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 10:47 AM, Brett Schwarz wrote:

Hummm, I have tried it on 2 different machines now, and it still does
not work...even with the -b option. I have tried other ports as well
(i.e. 81, 82, etc).
What version of 4.0 do you have (i.e. beta 1, beta 2, cvs)?

I tried the same with 3.5.1, and that worked.

I am on SuSE Linux 7.3, if that matters at all.

Humm, I guess I need to do some more digging...

Thanks,

   --brett

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 17:24, Peter M. Jansson wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote:

However, NsPreBind does
nothing is the -b or -B option are not given, when, I believe it should
pre bind anyways from what is given in the config file. I could be wrong
here.
My inittab line:

ww:345:respawn:/usr/local/aolserver-4.0/bin/nsd -i -b 192.168.1.239:80 -u
web -g web -t /usr/local/aolserver-4.0/click.tcl
You must specify the -b on the command line,  It does work.



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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Bas Scheffers]

Edward Wilson said:
> Not Tomcat, they bought a small European company that
> made a light/fast servlet container.  The next closest
> substitute is Tomcat; but it's definitely not Tomcat.
They didn't buy the company (http://www.orionserver.com/), they just paid
them a shitload of money to allow them to include it with Oracle and
rebrand it. My company has the same deal with them, but that's not due to
millions, simply the fact that we (or rather one Java guru in our company)
has helped out so much debugging it. If you are wondering why they haven't
released any new versions/patches in a while, that is because 1) they are
taking a holiday on their Oracle millions and 2) it is just that damn
good! Although I suspect some changes will be comming to make good use of
Java 1.4's non-blocking I/O. (which Tcl has had for years, ofcourse!)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] AS 4.0 (beta 2) running on privledge port

[Brett Schwarz]

Hummm, I have tried it on 2 different machines now, and it still does
not work...even with the -b option. I have tried other ports as well
(i.e. 81, 82, etc).

What version of 4.0 do you have (i.e. beta 1, beta 2, cvs)?

I tried the same with 3.5.1, and that worked.

I am on SuSE Linux 7.3, if that matters at all.

Humm, I guess I need to do some more digging...

Thanks,

   --brett

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 17:24, Peter M. Jansson wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote:
>
> > However, NsPreBind does
> > nothing is the -b or -B option are not given, when, I believe it should
> > pre bind anyways from what is given in the config file. I could be wrong
> > here.
> >
>
> My inittab line:
>
> ww:345:respawn:/usr/local/aolserver-4.0/bin/nsd -i -b 192.168.1.239:80 -u
> web -g web -t /usr/local/aolserver-4.0/click.tcl
>
> You must specify the -b on the command line,  It does work.
>
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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Edward Wilson]

> Oracle got smart ... didn't 8i and 9i's web admin
> interface just run
> Apache Tomcat on a nonstandard port?
Not Tomcat, they bought a small European company that
made a light/fast servlet container.  The next closest
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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Dossy]

On 2003.03.06, Bas Scheffers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's rather silly that, considering that probably 90% of Vignette
> customers run Oracle, they do not support the Oracle 9i J2EE server, for
> which you do not need to pay anything extra. This server actualy is
> Orion! The only thing different from the default Orion seems to be the
> example config for an Oracle database pool. You even start it with "java
> -jar orion.jar"!

Oracle got smart ... didn't 8i and 9i's web admin interface just run
Apache Tomcat on a nonstandard port?

Oracle's forcing companies to use free and/or open source software
without knowing it!  I love it.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Bas Scheffers]

Peter M. Jansson said:
> When Java-bashing, we should keep in mind that JBoss is a J2EE server
> that' s freely-available, which kinda kills the "pay another load of
> money" argument, and it runs inside either Tomcat or Jetty, which are
> both free (and maybe even Free).
I am not bashing J2EE, it's a sound technology but, for the web overkill
most of the time, IMHO.

I work for a company with a J2EE product, we love Orion, probably the best
around. To make it more marketable, we want it to also work on other J2EE
server. Unfortunately, a lot was left open in the specifications and while
99.999% of the code is valid, deployment descriptors are not. In
Vignette's documentation, they only ever mentioned support for IBM and BEA
and that is where the "load of money" comment comes from.

It's rather silly that, considering that probably 90% of Vignette
customers run Oracle, they do not support the Oracle 9i J2EE server, for
which you do not need to pay anything extra. This server actualy is
Orion! The only thing different from the default Orion seems to be the
example config for an Oracle database pool. You even start it with "java
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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Dossy]

On 2003.03.06, Peter M. Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:35 AM, Bas Scheffers wrote:
>
> >So now they charge a pinky ammount for what is just a
> >simple J2EE application, which only runs on J2EE servers that you have to
> >pay another load on money for!
>
> When Java-bashing, we should keep in mind that JBoss is a J2EE server that'
> s freely-available, which kinda kills the "pay another load of money"
> argument, and it runs inside either Tomcat or Jetty, which are both free
> (and maybe even Free).

IIRC, Vignette's only going to support IBM WebSphere and BEA WebLogic.
Those licenses are far from cheap.

I could be wrong, though.  Vignette might get smart and support JBoss or
Orion or Tomcat, but I'm doubtful.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

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On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 04:35 AM, Bas Scheffers wrote:

So now they charge a pinky ammount for what is just a
simple J2EE application, which only runs on J2EE servers that you have to
pay another load on money for!
When Java-bashing, we should keep in mind that JBoss is a J2EE server that'
s freely-available, which kinda kills the "pay another load of money"
argument, and it runs inside either Tomcat or Jetty, which are both free
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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Dossy]

On 2003.03.06, Larry W. Virden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hey, I'd /love/ an AOLserver conference if I could get my employer to
> > > pay for me to attend it!  :-)
>
> If the kind readers here wouldn't mind 'slumming' there's always
> the Tenth Annual Tcl/Tk Conference http://mini.net/tcl/6274 > .

Ann Arbor, Michigan?  Argh.  Not exactly my idea of a "hot summer
getaway destination" ... ;-)

Looks like I can get a flight from EWR to DTW on Continental for $265
round-trip, though.  Northwest for $255 ... what's the discount that's
mentioned on the webpage:  "Northwest will offer a discounted fare to
Tcl/Tk attendees."

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> > Hey, I'd /love/ an AOLserver conference if I could get my employer to
> > pay for me to attend it!  :-)

If the kind readers here wouldn't mind 'slumming' there's always
the Tenth Annual Tcl/Tk Conference http://mini.net/tcl/6274 > .
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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

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Dossy said:
> I dunno, it was a great excuse to go to Texas -- if it weren't for
> Vignette, I don't think I'd ever voluntarily visit Texas.
Although I hear Austin is the most tolerable place there! ;-)

> If we do a get-together, North Carolina's a good choice, I think.  Cheap
I'll meet you there. last (and only) time I was there (in August '02) I
came down with mono and was stuck in a friend's place in Chapel Hill for a
week before paying through the nose to get back home instead of visiting
another friend in Charlotte, burning tons of film and going to a wedding
in Maine. Maybe I'll have more luck the second time around! ;-)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

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On 2003.03.06, Bas Scheffers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dossy said:
> > I hear so many different rumors, I've started to just ignore them all.
> The documetation is actualy up on the support site. I read it, and not a
> trace of Tcl anywhere. Completely different architecture and no IDE
> anymore. The company I am at now had a "workshop" (I wasn't there) on
> implementing V7. Interestingly enough, however, this was a PowerPoint
> workshop, no sign of any software!

This is funny because chatting with some VPS folks, they say "no, Tcl
support will be in V/7, it's just not clear how, yet."

Vaporware ...

> > Hey, I'd /love/ an AOLserver conference if I could get my employer to
> > pay for me to attend it!  :-)
> But can it be somewhere other than Texas!? Although I went in 2000 to the
> one in Phoenix, and stayed for another two weeks driving to the canyon,
> vegas and ending up in Sanfran. Gotta love those conferences! ;-)

I dunno, it was a great excuse to go to Texas -- if it weren't for
Vignette, I don't think I'd ever voluntarily visit Texas.

If we do a get-together, North Carolina's a good choice, I think.  Cheap
airfare for me from New Jersey, and Hilton Head is supposed to be a nice
place to go.

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

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Dossy said:
> I hear so many different rumors, I've started to just ignore them all.
The documetation is actualy up on the support site. I read it, and not a
trace of Tcl anywhere. Completely different architecture and no IDE
anymore. The company I am at now had a "workshop" (I wasn't there) on
implementing V7. Interestingly enough, however, this was a PowerPoint
workshop, no sign of any software!

> Hey, I'd /love/ an AOLserver conference if I could get my employer to
> pay for me to attend it!  :-)
But can it be somewhere other than Texas!? Although I went in 2000 to the
one in Phoenix, and stayed for another two weeks driving to the canyon,
vegas and ending up in Sanfran. Gotta love those conferences! ;-)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Dossy]

On 2003.03.06, Bas Scheffers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dossy said:
> > "Uh, sir, Vignette Corporation already makes a Tcl-enabled application
> > server for several million dollars already."
>
> Have you seen "V7"? As a complete surprise, it can do something pretty
> much straight out of the box. Although, in true Vignette style, not very
> good and not very usefull. However, there is NO Tcl support in their next
> version anymore. So now they charge a pinky ammount for what is just a
> simple J2EE application, which only runs on J2EE servers that you have to
> pay another load on money for!

I hear so many different rumors, I've started to just ignore them all.

One rumor is that V/7 will have zero Tcl support at all.  Another is
that the page generator will be implemented in Java but call out to a
Tcl interp. for any Tcl code (basically moving Tcl out of the core).
Another is that Tcl will stay where it is and there'll be better
multiplexing between Java/JSP and Tcl pages.

I'll believe it when I see it.  If Vignette stays in business long
enough for V/7 to see the light of day, I'll be amazed.  I'm waiting for
them to go tits-up so I can convince my organization to migrate our
large investment in Tcl code from Vignette to AOLserver.  *evil grin*

> - Have an annual mass, tax deductible, brain-dead three day sales
> presentation disguised as a politicaly correct technical and strategy
> workshop and call it "AOLserver Attic"

Hey, I'd /love/ an AOLserver conference if I could get my employer to
pay for me to attend it!  :-)

> Bas "I made a lot of money creating sites in Vignette for companies that
> didn't know any better" Scheffers. ;-)

Rock on.  I love Vignette.  Developing sites in Vignette pays for my
car, my mortgage, feeds my family, etc.  :-)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

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alfred said:
> FWIW - I have one client with approximately 10,000 domains being served
> from a single Aolserver instance. We point all the domains to a single
Yeah, but I bet you don't let the individual users of each "virtual
server" write their own code to run, do you? :)

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Re: [AOLSERVER] virtual hosting options and a fantasy ....

[Bas Scheffers]

Dossy said:
> "Uh, sir, Vignette Corporation already makes a Tcl-enabled application
> server for several million dollars already."
Have you seen "V7"? As a complete surprise, it can do something pretty
much straight out of the box. Although, in true Vignette style, not very
good and not very usefull. However, there is NO Tcl support in their next
version anymore. So now they charge a pinky ammount for what is just a
simple J2EE application, which only runs on J2EE servers that you have to
pay another load on money for!

Here are some ideas to attract more CEOs, VPs of marketing and people with
an MBA in general to use AOLserver:
- Give them quotes on aolserver.com on how it increased their ROI by
reducing their TTM.
- Have an annual mass, tax deductible, brain-dead three day sales
presentation disguised as a politicaly correct technical and strategy
workshop and call it "AOLserver Attic"
- Say we support Java simply because we have figured out Tcl blend and
then load a different JVM for every thread. (though Vignette can not do
multithreaded Tcl, so they run a seperate daemon instead...)
- Support ASP by simply running IIS in the background and requesting any
.asp pages from it
- And most important off all: don't give any clues as to what is actualy
on offer untill we have actualy made the sale. Not willing to write off
the investment, they will keep paying their ever increasing license fees.

Bas "I made a lot of money creating sites in Vignette for companies that
didn't know any better" Scheffers. ;-)



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