Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation)
Brett Schwarz schrieb: Just curious...did you have to do anything special to get it working inside aolserver? There are two ways of using tcl libthread in aolsever: (a) configure it for plain tcl (standard), load into aolserver with package require; you get tsv:: etc. (b) configure with --with-aolserver, load it as an aolserver module from the startup script; in this case libthread overloads nsv etc. with (a) you have the advantage with standard tcl compatibility, with (b) one can run existing aolserver applications (OpenACS, ...) on it, still getting the performance gain, and - for me the most important benefit - you get threads that can easily communitcate via the event-loop used in the tcl thread library. -gustaf neumann - Original Message From: Jay Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:17:38 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation) just FYI I am using the tsv (from the thread package) functions within aolserver and, at least for my uses, it is faster than the nsv equivalents. (and it is a namespace :-)) It also has a number of advantages, I can run the same code outside of aolserver, the tsv::lock allows me to run a block of code under the shared mutex, and it has a more complete set of list functions. Jay Jim Davidson wrote: Hi, Brent Welch wrote some ns_share code which worked with Tcl variable traces to emulate the original code. It works except for a few edge cases but is generally considered less efficient and flexible than the new nsv_* commands. So, when I say we gave up on ns_share I mean we stopped applying our patches to the Tcl core for ns_share, allowing us to use the Tcl source un-altered. -Jim On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote: True -- the original threading in AOLserver 2.0 way back in 1995 (yes, 1995) was based on a thread-safe hacked Tcl 7.3. I can't recall where I got it -- I think someone at UCB did the work. We later hacked Tcl 7.4 and 8.1 on our own before enough support was in the Tcl core and we were ready to give up on ns_share which was a significant hack that couldn't reasonably be brought forward. I was just looking at file.tcl, and it still uses ns_share. Is that ok? Or should that be changed? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation)
package require Thread Brett Schwarz wrote: Just curious...did you have to do anything special to get it working inside aolserver? - Original Message From: Jay Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:17:38 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation) just FYI I am using the tsv (from the thread package) functions within aolserver and, at least for my uses, it is faster than the nsv equivalents. (and it is a namespace :-)) It also has a number of advantages, I can run the same code outside of aolserver, the tsv::lock allows me to run a block of code under the shared mutex, and it has a more complete set of list functions. Jay Jim Davidson wrote: Hi, Brent Welch wrote some ns_share code which worked with Tcl variable traces to emulate the original code. It works except for a few edge cases but is generally considered less efficient and flexible than the new nsv_* commands. So, when I say we gave up on ns_share I mean we stopped applying our patches to the Tcl core for ns_share, allowing us to use the Tcl source un-altered. -Jim On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote: True -- the original threading in AOLserver 2.0 way back in 1995 (yes, 1995) was based on a thread-safe hacked Tcl 7.3. I can't recall where I got it -- I think someone at UCB did the work. We later hacked Tcl 7.4 and 8.1 on our own before enough support was in the Tcl core and we were ready to give up on ns_share which was a significant hack that couldn't reasonably be brought forward. I was just looking at file.tcl, and it still uses ns_share. Is that ok? Or should that be changed? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. begin:vcard fn:Jay J. Rohr n:Rohr;Jay email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation)
Just curious...did you have to do anything special to get it working inside aolserver? - Original Message From: Jay Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:17:38 PM Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation) just FYI I am using the tsv (from the thread package) functions within aolserver and, at least for my uses, it is faster than the nsv equivalents. (and it is a namespace :-)) It also has a number of advantages, I can run the same code outside of aolserver, the tsv::lock allows me to run a block of code under the shared mutex, and it has a more complete set of list functions. Jay Jim Davidson wrote: Hi, Brent Welch wrote some ns_share code which worked with Tcl variable traces to emulate the original code. It works except for a few edge cases but is generally considered less efficient and flexible than the new nsv_* commands. So, when I say we gave up on ns_share I mean we stopped applying our patches to the Tcl core for ns_share, allowing us to use the Tcl source un-altered. -Jim On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote: True -- the original threading in AOLserver 2.0 way back in 1995 (yes, 1995) was based on a thread-safe hacked Tcl 7.3. I can't recall where I got it -- I think someone at UCB did the work. We later hacked Tcl 7.4 and 8.1 on our own before enough support was in the Tcl core and we were ready to give up on ns_share which was a significant hack that couldn't reasonably be brought forward. I was just looking at file.tcl, and it still uses ns_share. Is that ok? Or should that be changed? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation)
Hi, Brent Welch wrote some ns_share code which worked with Tcl variable traces to emulate the original code. It works except for a few edge cases but is generally considered less efficient and flexible than the new nsv_* commands. So, when I say we gave up on ns_share I mean we stopped applying our patches to the Tcl core for ns_share, allowing us to use the Tcl source un-altered. -Jim On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Brett Schwarz wrote: True -- the original threading in AOLserver 2.0 way back in 1995 (yes, 1995) was based on a thread-safe hacked Tcl 7.3. I can't recall where I got it -- I think someone at UCB did the work. We later hacked Tcl 7.4 and 8.1 on our own before enough support was in the Tcl core and we were ready to give up on ns_share which was a significant hack that couldn't reasonably be brought forward. I was just looking at file.tcl, and it still uses ns_share. Is that ok? Or should that be changed? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
Re: [AOLSERVER] ns_share (was Active participation)
On 2008.04.16, Jay Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the tsv (from the thread package) functions within aolserver and, at least for my uses, it is faster than the nsv equivalents. [...] Can we please see the benchmarks (code and results) you used to demonstrate this? -- Dossy Shiobara | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body of SIGNOFF AOLSERVER in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
