Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSoC wiki account

2018-03-12 Thread Nitish Kumar
thank-you shardulc, I recieved the mail.

but I was wondering why any one was not answering my queries. Is there any
particular format then just writing mail to
apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
On 13-Mar-2018 10:19 AM, "Shardul Chiplunkar" 
wrote:

> Hi Nitish,
>
> I have created an account for you.
>
> Shardul
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> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Nitish Kumar <
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>>> I want to work on my proposal so please provide me a wiki account
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSoC wiki account

2018-03-12 Thread Shardul Chiplunkar
Hi Nitish,

I have created an account for you.

Shardul

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSoC wiki account

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Hello, introducing myself and a few questions, thanks!

2018-03-12 Thread Hèctor Alòs i Font
Hi Shardul,

Thanks for you reply. The first option (creating a fork and merging it)
seems to be a good option indeed. I'm a new user of git too, but I think I
understood to do it. In any case, if we have any problem, we'll ask in the
irc channel, as usual.

Best,
Hèctor

2018-03-13 6:55 GMT+03:00 Shardul Chiplunkar :

> Hi Claudi,
>
> About access to GitHub: Since Apertium has recently shifted to GitHub, we
> are still working things out, and there are two things that can happen.
>
> 1. The 'GitHub' way to do it is to create a personal fork of the
> repository. After you create your personal fork, you can submit a pull
> request, which Hèctor Alòs or other existing contributors can review and
> merge. After a few pull requests have been approved, admins will happily
> give you push access. (If you are unsure about forks/pull requests/etc.
> feel free to email me.)
>
> 2. The problem with the previous method is that 'admins' are not
> explicitly defined for most repositories, since we have very recently
> switched. We are figuring it out on a case-by-case basis, so thank you for
> bringing this case up :) However, the PMC members are admins of all
> repositories by default, so either they could directly give you access, or
> a specific admin could be named who would go ahead with #1.
>
> I would suggest that you start with #1. Or maybe if you have already
> contributed to the Apertium repositories in a branch or personal
> repository, please share it so that you can be given access straight away.
> I also request a member of the PMC to please provide their input on naming
> an admin for the specific case of oci-fra, or on the permissions model for
> the Romance team.
>
> About access to the wiki: I have created an account for you.
>
> Thanks,
> Shardul
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Rata Penada via Apertium-stuff <
> apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello, my name is Claudi Balaguer (username on Github: Capsot) and I am
>> currently working on apertium-oci-fra with Hèctor Alòs. I would like to
>> know if I could have access to the push function in Github on
>> apertium-oci-fra and also how to create a profile on the Apertium wiki so I
>> could work on the Pending tests. I have already worked on it and included
>> many entries so far.
>> Thanks a lot in advance
>> Sincerely,
>> Claudi
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[Apertium-stuff] GSoC wiki account

2018-03-12 Thread Nitish Kumar
I want to work on my proposal so please provide me a wiki account
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Hello, introducing myself and a few questions, thanks!

2018-03-12 Thread Shardul Chiplunkar
Hi Claudi,

About access to GitHub: Since Apertium has recently shifted to GitHub, we
are still working things out, and there are two things that can happen.

1. The 'GitHub' way to do it is to create a personal fork of the
repository. After you create your personal fork, you can submit a pull
request, which Hèctor Alòs or other existing contributors can review and
merge. After a few pull requests have been approved, admins will happily
give you push access. (If you are unsure about forks/pull requests/etc.
feel free to email me.)

2. The problem with the previous method is that 'admins' are not explicitly
defined for most repositories, since we have very recently switched. We are
figuring it out on a case-by-case basis, so thank you for bringing this
case up :) However, the PMC members are admins of all repositories by
default, so either they could directly give you access, or a specific admin
could be named who would go ahead with #1.

I would suggest that you start with #1. Or maybe if you have already
contributed to the Apertium repositories in a branch or personal
repository, please share it so that you can be given access straight away.
I also request a member of the PMC to please provide their input on naming
an admin for the specific case of oci-fra, or on the permissions model for
the Romance team.

About access to the wiki: I have created an account for you.

Thanks,
Shardul


On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Rata Penada via Apertium-stuff <
apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hello, my name is Claudi Balaguer (username on Github: Capsot) and I am
> currently working on apertium-oci-fra with Hèctor Alòs. I would like to
> know if I could have access to the push function in Github on
> apertium-oci-fra and also how to create a profile on the Apertium wiki so I
> could work on the Pending tests. I have already worked on it and included
> many entries so far.
> Thanks a lot in advance
> Sincerely,
> Claudi
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[Apertium-stuff] Hello, introducing myself and a few questions, thanks!

2018-03-12 Thread Rata Penada via Apertium-stuff
Hello, my name is Claudi Balaguer (username on Github: Capsot) and I am 
currently working on apertium-oci-fra with Hèctor Alòs. I would like to know if 
I could have access to the push function in Github on apertium-oci-fra and also 
how to create a profile on the Apertium wiki so I could work on the Pending 
tests. I have already worked on it and included many entries so far. 
Thanks a lot in advanceSincerely,Claudi
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[Apertium-stuff] GSoC 2018 application proposal Mentor cum evaluator required for hin-pan pair and website improvements

2018-03-12 Thread Nitish Kumar
hey all,

I was asking if any mentor wants to mentor cum evaluate application for
adopting an unreleased pair.

I am working on hin-pan pair. I have set up the things locally and
currently pan lang has 8000 words. I want to take it further. This is the
thing in which we are away from Google/Yandex quality that is developing
regional languages.

Second thing, I want to develop apertium website. It lack of some bootstap
contents and proper design.

I would like to discuss more about language pairs and further application.
Any interested mentor's help would be appreciable. Thanks in advance.

with kind regards
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Hèctor Alòs i Font
2018-03-12 20:59 GMT+03:00 Marc Riera Irigoyen <
marc.riera.irigo...@gmail.com>:

> What kind of lexical coverage do Google/Yandex have ?
>>
>
> This text shows about 98% coverage for Google and 97% coverage for Yandex,
> based on words left untranslated.
>

But I think these coverages are not comparable to the ones in Apertium,
where we count as uncovered mostly proper nouns that often don't have to be
translated. How you you compare Apertium's and Yandex's or Google's
coverages, Fran?

By the way, Marc, you said that

I have not really evaluated translations from Catalan (most of the
>>> development has taken place in the other direction), but it should be
>>> more or less the same as the old pair.
>>>
>>
>>
I bet it is not. At least for French-Catalan the translation from Catalan
is a lot worse than the translation from French. Among other things, that's
because this side is much harder because of the personal pronouns. It is
not very difficult to delete them from French, but it is very difficult to
add them (only if needed) from Catalan. With a shallow syntactic analysis
it is almost impossible. There are lots of problems because of that from
Catalan to French. Often the subject pronoun in missing or, on the
contrary, it is added when it should not.
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Marc Riera Irigoyen
>
> What kind of lexical coverage do Google/Yandex have ?
>

This text shows about 98% coverage for Google and 97% coverage for Yandex,
based on words left untranslated.

What kind of effort/work do you think needs to be done to approach Google's
> quality?
> What would you say the main needs are now ?
>

The coverage is now fairly good thanks to the work done during GSoC, even
with proper nouns, but the rules have not changed much, so a good idea
would be to improve and expand them to support more patterns (English word
order changes in questions, for example, are not supported, and they are
very frequent). Of course, more work is needed on the tagger too to ensure
the rules are applied in every compatible case.

These needs are strongly related to approaching Google's translation
quality. Google Translate, thanks to it being based on corpora, has a lot
of information about different types of texts. Even if a single text is a
mix of different styles, it can easily solve them. Apertium, however, needs
to specifically know about every possible pattern and style, something
which is not reflected in neither the corpus used for tagger training nor
the transfer rules. Hence, while it can work well for what it "knows"
about, once being given something different, it outputs funny results.

One of my main goals for the near future is to rewrite everything related
to verbs to take advantage of three-staged transfer. Most of the current
rules have seen minor modifications since the switch from one-staged to
three-staged transfer and only apply for very specific patterns; a good
rewrite should offer noticeable improvements.

2018-03-12 12:21 GMT+01:00 Francis Tyers :

> El 2018-03-12 12:10, Marc Riera Irigoyen escribió:
>
>> Have you done any evaluation ? How does it compare to other systems
>>> (and
>>> the old system too) ? :)
>>>
>>
>> The pair works fairly well with encyclopedia-like texts, and has a
>> good Wikipedia coverage (92% for English and 87% for Catalan). The
>> reference translation (an English article on Greece not used during
>> development) shows a WER/PER of 51%/35%, better than the old pair's
>> 56%/40% with the same text. Yandex is slightly better than Apertium,
>> with 56%/34%, and Google stands with the best results (43%/26%). I
>> have not really evaluated translations from Catalan (most of the
>> development has taken place in the other direction), but it should be
>> more or less the same as the old pair.
>>
>
> Good to know that we are approaching the quality of Yandex! :)
>
> What kind of effort/work do you think needs to be done to approach Google's
> quality?
>
> What kind of lexical coverage do Google/Yandex have ?
>
> While the pair still needs a lot of work and love, the rewrite has
>> eased development. With good taggers on both sides, trained with
>> diverse texts (including dialogues to reflect oral language
>> constructions), as well as a reorganization/rewrite of the transfer
>> rules (inherited from the messy old pair), we should have a very
>> decent and useful language pair.
>>
>
> What would you say the main needs are now ?
>
> Fran
>



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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Nitish Kumar
the first main need I see is to focus on regional languages and I have
adobted such a regional language as part of this summer, and I would like
to contribute in it
On 12-Mar-2018 4:52 PM, "Francis Tyers"  wrote:

> El 2018-03-12 12:10, Marc Riera Irigoyen escribió:
>
>> Have you done any evaluation ? How does it compare to other systems
>>> (and
>>> the old system too) ? :)
>>>
>>
>> The pair works fairly well with encyclopedia-like texts, and has a
>> good Wikipedia coverage (92% for English and 87% for Catalan). The
>> reference translation (an English article on Greece not used during
>> development) shows a WER/PER of 51%/35%, better than the old pair's
>> 56%/40% with the same text. Yandex is slightly better than Apertium,
>> with 56%/34%, and Google stands with the best results (43%/26%). I
>> have not really evaluated translations from Catalan (most of the
>> development has taken place in the other direction), but it should be
>> more or less the same as the old pair.
>>
>
> Good to know that we are approaching the quality of Yandex! :)
>
> What kind of effort/work do you think needs to be done to approach Google's
> quality?
>
> What kind of lexical coverage do Google/Yandex have ?
>
> While the pair still needs a lot of work and love, the rewrite has
>> eased development. With good taggers on both sides, trained with
>> diverse texts (including dialogues to reflect oral language
>> constructions), as well as a reorganization/rewrite of the transfer
>> rules (inherited from the messy old pair), we should have a very
>> decent and useful language pair.
>>
>
> What would you say the main needs are now ?
>
> Fran
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] GSoC 2018 candidate

2018-03-12 Thread Nitish Kumar
can I get some follow-ups for it

regards
Nitish Kumar
On 06-Mar-2018 1:50 AM, "Nitish Kumar"  wrote:

> I am Nitish, I am working on developing a language pair and also chose to
> develop apertium website and make it cooler.
>
> I took an entry-level task in which I got 100% score. I want to get into
> apertium through GSOC and it is also a need of mine.
>
> please tell me whom to approach for language pair evaluation.
>
> with kind regards
> Nitish Kumar
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Francis Tyers

El 2018-03-12 12:10, Marc Riera Irigoyen escribió:

Have you done any evaluation ? How does it compare to other systems
(and
the old system too) ? :)


The pair works fairly well with encyclopedia-like texts, and has a
good Wikipedia coverage (92% for English and 87% for Catalan). The
reference translation (an English article on Greece not used during
development) shows a WER/PER of 51%/35%, better than the old pair's
56%/40% with the same text. Yandex is slightly better than Apertium,
with 56%/34%, and Google stands with the best results (43%/26%). I
have not really evaluated translations from Catalan (most of the
development has taken place in the other direction), but it should be
more or less the same as the old pair.


Good to know that we are approaching the quality of Yandex! :)

What kind of effort/work do you think needs to be done to approach 
Google's

quality?

What kind of lexical coverage do Google/Yandex have ?


While the pair still needs a lot of work and love, the rewrite has
eased development. With good taggers on both sides, trained with
diverse texts (including dialogues to reflect oral language
constructions), as well as a reorganization/rewrite of the transfer
rules (inherited from the messy old pair), we should have a very
decent and useful language pair.


What would you say the main needs are now ?

Fran

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Marc Riera Irigoyen
>
> Have you done any evaluation ? How does it compare to other systems (and
> the old system too) ? :)
>

The pair works fairly well with encyclopedia-like texts, and has a good
Wikipedia coverage (92% for English and 87% for Catalan). The reference
translation (an English article on Greece not used during development)
shows a WER/PER of 51%/35%, better than the old pair's 56%/40% with the
same text. Yandex is slightly better than Apertium, with 56%/34%, and
Google stands with the best results (43%/26%). I have not really evaluated
translations from Catalan (most of the development has taken place in the
other direction), but it should be more or less the same as the old pair.

While the pair still needs a lot of work and love, the rewrite has eased
development. With good taggers on both sides, trained with diverse texts
(including dialogues to reflect oral language constructions), as well as a
reorganization/rewrite of the transfer rules (inherited from the messy old
pair), we should have a very decent and useful language pair.

Thanks for your support!

Marc

2018-03-11 23:59 GMT+01:00 Francis Tyers :

> El 2018-03-11 23:41, Marc Riera Irigoyen escribió:
>
>> Dear Apertiumers,
>>
>> After intense work during last year's GSoC and the following months,
>> I'm glad to announce that the apertium-eng-cat pair, currently in
>> apertium-incubator, is finally testvoc clean and ready for trunk. This
>> is a rewrite and a replacement of the original English-Catalan (en-ca)
>> pair, which was becoming increasingly out of date and hard to
>> maintain.
>>
>> The new pair includes everything the old pair did (rule-wise), but has
>> a considerably larger dix (~65,000 stems) and features several
>> innovations compared to what we had before:
>>
>> * Lexical selection rules (mainly eng>cat)
>> * Perceptron tagger for English
>> * Constraint Grammar
>> * Apertium-separable module
>>
>> These changes are important not only because of the improvements, but
>> also because Java compatibility cannot be kept (as with
>> apertium-fra-cat). As there is no possible fallback mode in the new
>> pair until these modules get ported to Java or a different approach
>> with C++/Java is taken, the best idea could be to temporarily use the
>> old pair as fallback for the new one.
>>
>> I will keep doing my best to improve the quality of this pair and use
>> it as a test bench for innovative modules and development approaches.
>>
>>
> PS. Congratulations on the release! :)
>
> F.
>



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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Hèctor Alòs i Font
Bona feina, Marc! I moltes gràcies per a les millores en el diccionari
català, particularment en els noms propis, de què ens hem aprofitat els
altres que treballem en parells "catalans".
Hèctor

2018-03-12 1:41 GMT+03:00 Marc Riera Irigoyen :

> Dear Apertiumers,
>
> After intense work during last year's GSoC and the following months, I'm
> glad to announce that the apertium-eng-cat pair, currently in
> apertium-incubator, is finally testvoc clean and ready for trunk. This is a
> rewrite and a replacement of the original English-Catalan (en-ca) pair,
> which was becoming increasingly out of date and hard to maintain.
>
> The new pair includes everything the old pair did (rule-wise), but has a
> considerably larger dix (~65,000 stems) and features several innovations
> compared to what we had before:
>
> * Lexical selection rules (mainly eng>cat)
> * Perceptron tagger for English
> * Constraint Grammar
> * Apertium-separable module
>
> These changes are important not only because of the improvements, but also
> because Java compatibility cannot be kept (as with apertium-fra-cat). As
> there is no possible fallback mode in the new pair until these modules get
> ported to Java or a different approach with C++/Java is taken, the best
> idea could be to temporarily use the old pair as fallback for the new one.
>
> I will keep doing my best to improve the quality of this pair and use it
> as a test bench for innovative modules and development approaches.
>
> Marc
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium eng-cat release

2018-03-12 Thread Joan
Molt bé. Jo no el faig servir, potset a partir d'ara. I quan estigui en
funcionament, ho diré als de la wikimedia fundation.

Joan Lleonart

El dia 11 març 2018 23:59, "Francis Tyers"  va
escriure:

> El 2018-03-11 23:41, Marc Riera Irigoyen escribió:
>
>> Dear Apertiumers,
>>
>> After intense work during last year's GSoC and the following months,
>> I'm glad to announce that the apertium-eng-cat pair, currently in
>> apertium-incubator, is finally testvoc clean and ready for trunk. This
>> is a rewrite and a replacement of the original English-Catalan (en-ca)
>> pair, which was becoming increasingly out of date and hard to
>> maintain.
>>
>> The new pair includes everything the old pair did (rule-wise), but has
>> a considerably larger dix (~65,000 stems) and features several
>> innovations compared to what we had before:
>>
>> * Lexical selection rules (mainly eng>cat)
>> * Perceptron tagger for English
>> * Constraint Grammar
>> * Apertium-separable module
>>
>> These changes are important not only because of the improvements, but
>> also because Java compatibility cannot be kept (as with
>> apertium-fra-cat). As there is no possible fallback mode in the new
>> pair until these modules get ported to Java or a different approach
>> with C++/Java is taken, the best idea could be to temporarily use the
>> old pair as fallback for the new one.
>>
>> I will keep doing my best to improve the quality of this pair and use
>> it as a test bench for innovative modules and development approaches.
>>
>>
> PS. Congratulations on the release! :)
>
> F.
>
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