Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

2020-04-12 Thread Samuel Sloniker
No, that is not what I proposed. I proposed to switch html-tools and the
Wiki to Material Design.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:06 PM Bernard Chardonneau 
wrote:

> As Jonathan N Washington, I disagry with this proposal.
>
> First, we certainly do not need hundreds of Web interfaces for
> Apertium. One web interface working on any Web browser, even 5
> or 10 years old used on any operating system may be enough.
>
> HTML forms (with textareas, imput zones, checkboxes and lists of
> choices), PHP scripts to run it, few CSS and very few javascript
> (it can be usefull to get the size of the window and to adjust
> automatically textarea size and URL input zone width) may be
> enough for a translation website.
>
> I did one for Apertium : http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org working
> even with old web browser with only that. As I don't have root
> access on the server and as Apertium needs newer and newer versions
> if system libraries, translation don't work with a lot of language
> pairs, but there is no problem for the web interface.
>
> 7 years ago or earlier, it was necessary to have an external reader
> for watching videos taken from Web. Now, except for interactive
> editors like framapad and framacalc (or any google equivalent) and
> direct (not pre recorded) audio ou video, HTML code (whitch can be
> generated by PHP script or similar) is enough for quite any website
> and it is enough for a translator using Apertium. And a website of
> that kind, will work the same on any web browser (or more than 99 %)
> presently used.
>
> Your proposal is to develop specific web interfaces done to work
> only on several platforms as there are sotfware only working on
> Windows (for example).
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:31:57 -0700
> > From: Samuel Sloniker 
> > To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal
> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> > I added some more pros as well as a few cons.
> >
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Use_Material_Design#In_detail
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jonathan Washington <
> > jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That's not a good reason to choose something.  As you yourself were
> > > noting about our use of certain frameworks in html-tools, popularity
> > > isn't a good criterion.
> > >
> > > The way this should work is the proposer (potentially with other
> > > interested parties) does a thorough review of the options and opens up
> > > discussion in the community based on those options.  Proposing one
> > > option with no reasoning (except that it "seems fairly popular") or
> > > context is unlikely to win anyone over.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > 9 apr 2020, C.a. tarixində 13:47 tarixində Samuel Sloniker
> > >  yazdı:
> > > >
> > > > No particular reason, it just seems fairly popular.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 Jonathan Washington <
> > > jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Why Material and not some other standard?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Jonathan
> > > >>
> > > >> 8 apr 2020, Ç. tarixində 16:02 tarixində Samuel Sloniker
> > > >>  yazdı:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > (for the next PMC)
> > > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Use_Material_Design
> > > >> > ___
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> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> > > >
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> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> > >
> >
> 
> Bernard Chardonneau (France)
> Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
> GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31
>
> An alternative Apertium translation website :
> http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org
>
> Multilingual websites for my free softwares :
> http://libremail.free.fr and http://libremail.tuxfamily.org
> http://cyloop.tuxfamily.org (mainly translated with Apertium)
>
> My general website (in french only)
> http://bech.free.fr
>
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal

2020-04-12 Thread Bernard Chardonneau
As Jonathan N Washington, I disagry with this proposal.

First, we certainly do not need hundreds of Web interfaces for
Apertium. One web interface working on any Web browser, even 5
or 10 years old used on any operating system may be enough.

HTML forms (with textareas, imput zones, checkboxes and lists of
choices), PHP scripts to run it, few CSS and very few javascript
(it can be usefull to get the size of the window and to adjust
automatically textarea size and URL input zone width) may be
enough for a translation website.

I did one for Apertium : http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org working
even with old web browser with only that. As I don't have root
access on the server and as Apertium needs newer and newer versions
if system libraries, translation don't work with a lot of language
pairs, but there is no problem for the web interface.

7 years ago or earlier, it was necessary to have an external reader
for watching videos taken from Web. Now, except for interactive
editors like framapad and framacalc (or any google equivalent) and
direct (not pre recorded) audio ou video, HTML code (whitch can be
generated by PHP script or similar) is enough for quite any website
and it is enough for a translator using Apertium. And a website of
that kind, will work the same on any web browser (or more than 99 %)
presently used.

Your proposal is to develop specific web interfaces done to work
only on several platforms as there are sotfware only working on
Windows (for example).



> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:31:57 -0700
> From: Samuel Sloniker 
> To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] PMC proposal
> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> I added some more pros as well as a few cons.
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Use_Material_Design#In_detail
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jonathan Washington <
> jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's not a good reason to choose something.  As you yourself were
> > noting about our use of certain frameworks in html-tools, popularity
> > isn't a good criterion.
> >
> > The way this should work is the proposer (potentially with other
> > interested parties) does a thorough review of the options and opens up
> > discussion in the community based on those options.  Proposing one
> > option with no reasoning (except that it "seems fairly popular") or
> > context is unlikely to win anyone over.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan
> >
> > 9 apr 2020, C.a. tarixində 13:47 tarixində Samuel Sloniker
> >  yazdı:
> > >
> > > No particular reason, it just seems fairly popular.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 Jonathan Washington <
> > jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Why Material and not some other standard?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jonathan
> > >>
> > >> 8 apr 2020, Ç. tarixində 16:02 tarixində Samuel Sloniker
> > >>  yazdı:
> > >> >
> > >> > (for the next PMC)
> > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/PMC_proposals/Use_Material_Design
> > >> > ___
> > >> > Apertium-stuff mailing list
> > >> > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> Apertium-stuff mailing list
> > >> Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Apertium-stuff mailing list
> > > Apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> >
> >
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> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff
> >
>

Bernard Chardonneau (France)
Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31

An alternative Apertium translation website :
http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org

Multilingual websites for my free softwares :
http://libremail.free.fr and http://libremail.tuxfamily.org
http://cyloop.tuxfamily.org (mainly translated with Apertium)

My general website (in french only)
http://bech.free.fr


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