[Apertium-stuff] Releases for everything

[Tino Didriksen]

Given that Apertium has undergone big changes and a binary compat break
since last formal release, just about everything is getting re-released and
re-packaged.

So if any of you have any changes that will break binary compat, and that
you can commit this week, now would be a good time to make those.

-- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Francis Tyers]

El 2020-09-21 15:07, Tino Didriksen escribió:

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 10:10, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
 wrote:


Considering the trouble people have just setting up their own e-mail
server without getting constantly spam-listed by other people's
Gmail
accounts – and the fact that the mailing lists are supposed to be
public
anyway – it'd be nice to have a third party host our mailing
lists.


We have at least 2 private mailing lists: PMC and GSoC mentors. The
PMC list we absolutely should run ourselves on our own server(s) for
confidentiality reasons, and better so that future PMC members can
actually refer to the archives. GSoC lists are per year, but no less
confidential.

So if we're going to run mailman or whatever for those, we might as
well run it for all of them - with appropriate public mirrors for the
relevant lists. We could even run the Sourcehut software, if it's that
good.

But yes, it is annoying to run your own MTA. There's unfortunately a
lot of email providers that blacklists IPs for rather annoying and bad
reasons. But the wiki already sends mail from the apertium.org [1]
server, so we know that works.



The Wiki is a single email and often doesn't work.

I think the internal lists don't run mailman, they're just distribution 
lists.


And agree that a lot of email providers are rubbish about people running
their own MTAs.

Fran


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Tino Didriksen]

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 10:10, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer 
wrote:

> Considering the trouble people have just setting up their own e-mail
> server without getting constantly spam-listed by other people's Gmail
> accounts – and the fact that the mailing lists are supposed to be public
> anyway – it'd be nice to have a third party host our mailing lists.
>

We have at least 2 private mailing lists: PMC and GSoC mentors. The PMC
list we absolutely should run ourselves on our own server(s) for
confidentiality reasons, and better so that future PMC members can actually
refer to the archives. GSoC lists are per year, but no less confidential.

So if we're going to run mailman or whatever for those, we might as well
run it for all of them - with appropriate public mirrors for the relevant
lists. We could even run the Sourcehut software, if it's that good.

But yes, it is annoying to run your own MTA. There's unfortunately a lot of
email providers that blacklists IPs for rather annoying and bad reasons.
But the wiki already sends mail from the apertium.org server, so we know
that works.

-- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Francis Tyers]

El 2020-09-21 11:13, Flammie A Pirinen escribió:

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 07:44:25PM -0700, Samuel Sloniker wrote:

I've also thought about the possibility of a forum?


Forums can be nice but I think have different function than mailing
list..


Discourse looks nice.



Is this discourse.mozilla.org? I really dislike that, last I was forced
to move bug report from github issues to discourse and it manaaged to 
be

worse than github issue for discussing.



Agree, I think if you are big and have a lot of non-technical people 
doing

support, like Mozilla, then probably Discourse is good. But for Apertium
I'm not sure it makes sense.

As far as I understand there isn't good IRC/Matrix integration, and 
ideally

we'd like to see that.

Fran


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Tino Didriksen]

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 12:13, Flammie A Pirinen  wrote:

> > Discourse looks nice.
> >
>
> Is this discourse.mozilla.org? I really dislike that, last I was forced
> to move bug report from github issues to discourse and it manaaged to be
> worse than github issue for discussing.
>

Mozilla runs a Discourse service, but the underlying software is
https://github.com/discourse/discourse - it can function as a mailing list
manager.

I strongly dislike the Discourse look'n'feel. The underlying software may
be good, but every time I run across a community that uses Discourse, I
dread interacting with it.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Flammie A Pirinen]

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 07:44:25PM -0700, Samuel Sloniker wrote:
> I've also thought about the possibility of a forum?

Forums can be nice but I think have different function than mailing
list..

> Discourse looks nice.
> 

Is this discourse.mozilla.org? I really dislike that, last I was forced
to move bug report from github issues to discourse and it manaaged to be
worse than github issue for discussing.

-- 
Regards, Flammie 
(Please note, that I will often include my replies inline instead of
top or bottom of the mail)


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] let's move the mailing lists to sourcehut

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Francis Tyers  čálii:

> Sourcehut is a free/open-source "forge" type thing run by Drew
> DeVault. They have
> mailing lists.
>
> Our current mailing lists are with SourceForge and all of the terrible
> stuff that
> goes with that.
>
> Here is a link:
>
> https://lists.sr.ht/
>
> What do people think?

+1. I have a very good impression of Sourcehut. The code for their own
site is available, they publish their own financial reports, they work
without javascript, there's no tracking, the guy running it seems
trustworthy.

Considering the trouble people have just setting up their own e-mail
server without getting constantly spam-listed by other people's Gmail
accounts – and the fact that the mailing lists are supposed to be public
anyway – it'd be nice to have a third party host our mailing lists.


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