Re: [Apple-Crop] National Academy of Sciences finds GMOs to be 'safe'
Not interested >From comments and questions neither are my customers On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jon Clements wrote: > > http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/17/national-academy-of-sciences-finds-gmos-to-be-safe/ > > Anybody rushing out to order Arctic Apples now? Does the 'safe' in quotes > imply bias? > > Jon > > * > Old: apple-c...@virtualorchard.net; New: apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > > -- > Jon Clements > aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin St. > Belchertown, MA 01007 > 413-478-7219 > umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Soil Anchors
I am in the 8th year of 3 year staggered planting growth of a Tall Spindle Apple Orchard. The Planted Area is about 2.5 acres containing 1750 trees. As a first time grower in a VERY windy/blustery location, I did not want to deal with movement or collapse. Hence I chose 14ft long treated Yellow southern Pine 5-6 Posts driven 4 feet into the ground by a hydraulic ram. We were very careful to keep the rows stright and posts Plumb. Posts are spaced to allow 10 trees between them @ 3 ft spacing per tree. This left 10 feet of post to support 4 wires each helping the trees to withstand wind pressure. The end supports for each row are pinned @ about 8ft to anchor posts driven 4 ft into the ground & secured with guide wires @ 45 degree angles. This created an equalateral triangle at each end offering very strong, stable support. The wire is high tensile 12 guage fence wire. All wires have been tightened by hand with a wire stretcher, using grepples and two leaded crimps on each tail. There has been little change in the wire tightness ie slack. In 2015 we produced 55,000lbs of apples in a not yet mature Orchard. We are striving for about 400 more bushels or 56 to 57,000 pounds as a max. That's a good amount of support from this design. On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Jon Clements wrote: > George, I can't build anything straight, so I refrain from giving advice > on trellis construction! > > But, we all might find this information useful: > > Constructing a vineyard trellis, Paul Domoto > > http://www.prairiefirewinery.com/Cellar/wp-content/uploads/ > 2016/12/Vineyard-Trellis-Construction.pdf > > > How to Build Orchard and Vineyard Trellises - Book > > http://www.kencove.com/fence/Vineyard+Trellis_detail_ABT.php > > > Orchard and Vineyard Trellis Construction: Part 1 > > http://blog.kencove.com/orchard-and-vineyard-trellis-construction-part-1/ > > > TALL SPINDLE ORCHARD SUPPORT SYSTEMS > > http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/neworchard/english/apples/9trellis.html > > > Experiences with Support Systems for the Tall Spindle Apple Planting System > > http://nyshs.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1.Experiences- > with-Support-Systems-for-the-Tall-Spindle-Apple-Planting-System.pdf > > > Trellis Support Systems for High-Density Apples > > http://www.hort.cornell.edu/expo/proceedings/2017/TreeFruit%20Weather.% > 20Trellis%20Support%20Systems%20for%20High-Density%20Apples.pdf > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:39 PM, George Greene > wrote: > >> David and All: >> >> I remember someone burying 5 foot pieces of telephone poles, cross-wise, >> perhaps 3-5 feet deep at the end of a row. Most of the trellises I built >> in Biglerville PA survived. >> >> I did have a Geneva Double-Curtin grape trellis fail when, after a big >> wind storm flipped up one side of the Double-Curtin grape trellis, the >> terrific imbalance caused the posts to snap off. >> >> Come on where are all of the experts like Jon Clements or others who are >> the experts. I thought that one (or by now several) states had Extension >> Bulletins on this subject. >> >> Be well, George >> >> On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:04 PM, David Kollas wrote: >> >> Kurt and Mo: >> >> Thank you for your comments. >> >> If pull-out is the reason for discarding the Duckbill anchoring method, I >> wonder if a larger model would >> overcome that. The largest Duckbill model is about 12 inches long. A >> second line of “duckbills”, also by Foresight >> Products, is called Manta Ray, and is made for increased resistance, >> installed with hydraulic jackhammer. There >> are also options for stoney soils (ductile iron, hot-dipped in zinc, >> rather than the standard aluminum). However, >> searches of company websites, and telephone contacts, have been short on >> pertinent,applicable value in my recent >> efforts. >> >> The thought of trying to put auger-type anchors in my stony land does >> not appeal to me, and driving >> posts has never attracted me either. Channel iron does seem worth >> trying, but I am hoping to find something >> I could get really excited about. >> >> David >> Kollas Orchard, CT >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> >> George Greene >> 68 Willow Lane >> Wiscasset, ME 04578 >> 207-882-8074 <(207)%20882-8074> >> cortla...@icloud.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> apple-crop mailing list >> apple-crop@virtualorchard.com >> http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >> >> > > > -- > JMCEXTMAN > Jon Clements > cleme...@umext.umass.edu > aka 'Mr Liberty' > aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' > IM mrhoneycrisp > 413.478.7219 <(413)%20478-7219> > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards
Re: [Apple-Crop] To head, or not to head: that is the tall spindle question.
Doug, I'm in my 10th yr. of Tall spindle. I planted 1600 over two years and had many of the same "problems" you describe with Feathers. Many of my early trees were practically devoid of branches. I stayed the course over yrs.3 & 4 allowing the trees to grow to the 10' height. This worked perfectly by yr 4 I produced a nice crop yr. 5 yielded over 22ton of apples. Then, I started planting additional varieties in 80 to 100 tree blocks and used Maxcell in multiple doses for two years where the feathers were thin. It does seem to work. However, some varieties have a penchant for growing up and not out leaving 3 & 4 ft sections of spindle with no branching. I was given a study for "Northern Spey" that suggested making thin cuts in early April in trunks around suspected budding locations. That gave us some new growth and began to fill in nicely after two more years. On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Doug Nelson < doug.nel...@nelsonmultimedia.com> wrote: > Forgot to mention the picture I have attached is an example of one of > these poorly feather trees. My wires are two feet apart so you can see that > this tree is almost seven foot tall. > > On Jul 3, 2017 4:22 PM, Doug Nelson > wrote: > > I'm in my second year of growing apples. This year we planted 5000 apple > trees tall spindle style. These will be used for upick. > > The nursery I bought from gave me about a thousand terrible trees with > almost no feathers. > > I have sprayed heavily with Maxell to encourage lateral bud growth. Has > not work that well. > > My Orchard is located right next to one of the Chicagolands largest > commercial tree nurseries. The field manager of the nursery recently > stopped by and told me he would encourage lateral growth by heading all of > these poorly feathered trees. > > I know the rule with tall spindle is generally you never had the tree, but > I think the assumption is that you have a lot of feathers. > > Has anyone ever headed poorly feather trees to encourage lateral growth? > What were your results? > > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
I'm going to try the "MyIPM" app. Thanks On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Jon Clements wrote: > Apple-crop has been kind of quiet, I have three things on my mind: > > 1.) testing apple-crop to make sure it's still working > > 2.) if interested, follow International Fruit Tree Association while in > New Zealand on Twitter using the hashtag #iftaNZ, or by visiting it's > Facebook Page, https://www.facebook.com/IFruitTree/ > > 3.) check out the newly revised MyIPM app or both iOS and Android, search > for MyIPM in their respective app stores; the app is designed to help with > fungicide and insecticide resistance management, however, it has lots of > other useful information to make spray decisions, all at your (smartphone) > finger tips -- feedback on using it can be directed at me... > > Spring is coming... > > Jon > > -- > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon Clements) > 413.478.7219 <(413)%20478-7219> Verizon > 413.378.3068 <(413)%20378-3068> Project Fi > UMass Cold Spring Orchard > 393 Sabin Street > Belchertown, MA 01007 > http://umassfruit.com > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > -- Michael D. Vaughn Owner / Manager Pie-In-the-Sky Orchards ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.com http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM
Maurice, The only market would be Hog/Pig Farmers looking for supplemental feed. Also Dairy Farmers like apple mash for cows. The Cider Mill I use sells all the pressings to these type local farms. On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 2:36 PM, maurice tougas wrote: > Hi Kurt, > > I've seen units there but as you say no cider maker would be happy with > stones in the bin. We're at the point of raking them out from under trees > with either a paddle rake or spider to drive middles (more or less) and > then either sweeping with modified Sweepster or grinding with flair chopper > and then fluffing up the mash a day or two later to facilitate drying. > Capacity of sweepster pretty small. I did hear of a Perouso Koalo 1600 > https://www.peruzzousa.com/Collection_Flail_Mowers_s/106.htm but of > course apples would be of no use but at least orchard would be clean, I'm > guessing. I don't know if there is a market for whats left on the ground > Monday mornings. > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Kurt Alstede > wrote: > >> Hello Mo, >> >> >> >> I have long been looking at and considering the automated drop apple >> picking up machines that are plentiful over there….but have concerns about >> them picking up stones with the fruit as well as not being a able to >> differentiate between good and bad apples….which means the need for grading >> what is picked up. I would love to demo one here but it is not easy to >> find one on this side of the ocean. For this reason we continue to do our >> orchard floor cleaning using man power after each big picking day. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> *Kurt W. Alstede* >> >> Founder, Owner, General Manager, >> >> Alstede Farms, LLC >> >> P.O. Box 278 >> >> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >> >> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >> >> United States of America >> >> >> >> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >> >> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >> >> www.alstedefarms.com >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] >> >> >> >> [image: fresh discoveries every day] >> >> >> >> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >> Behalf Of *maurice tougas >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:40 PM >> >> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >> *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM >> >> >> >> Automated Monday morning orchard clean up Kurt! >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:20 PM Kurt Alstede >> wrote: >> >> Hello Mo, >> >> >> >> I am happy to spend your money…let me know what you need! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> *Kurt W. Alstede* >> >> Founder, Owner, General Manager, >> >> Alstede Farms, LLC >> >> P.O. Box 278 >> >> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >> >> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >> >> United States of America >> >> >> >> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >> >> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >> >> www.alstedefarms.com >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CFB1AF.83320400][image: Picture1] >> >> >> >> [image: fresh discoveries every day] >> >> >> >> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com] *On >> Behalf Of *maurice tougas >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:18 AM >> >> >> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM >> >> >> >> Hey Kurt >> >> >> >> Lake Constance is great this time of year! Can I send you a shopping list? >> >> >> >> Mo >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Dean Henry >> wrote: >> >> Had some wooly apple aphid last season, caught too late. First time in 40 >> years. what do I do this season? >> >> Dean Henry >> >> d...@berrypatchfarm.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Vincent Philion >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Say hello to Peter Triloff from MABO while you are there! Have a nice >> trip. >> >> Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. >> >> >> Le 18 févr. 2018 à 10:08, Kurt Alstede a écrit : >> >> Hello Jon, >> >> >> >> Received. Over 9 inches of snow in Northwest New Jersey last night. >> Pruning while our colleagues are down under….and heading to Fruchtwelt am >> Bodensee in Friedrichshafen, Germany at the end of the week! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> *Kurt W. Alstede* >> >> Founder, Owner, General Manager, >> >> Alstede Farms, LLC >> >> P.O. Box 278 >> >> 1 Alstede Farms Lane, >> >> Chester, New Jersey 07930 >> >> United States of America >> >> >> >> Tel: 908-879-7189 <(908)%20879-7189> >> >> Fax: 908-879-7815 <(908)%20879-7815> >> >> www.alstedefarms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: fresh discoveries every day] >> >> >> >> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com >> ] *On Behalf Of *Jon Clements >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:47 AM >> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list >> *Subject:* [Apple-Crop] Test, IFTA in NZ, and MyIPM >> >> >> >> Apple-crop has been kind of quiet, I have three things on my mind: >> >> >> >> 1.) testing apple-crop to make sure it's still working >> >> >> >> 2.) if interested, follow International Fruit Tree A
