Re: [apple-crop] Alternate Row Middle Sprays

[George Greene]

Hi All:

Don't forget that when Alternate Row Middle (ARM) spraying was almost universal 
in PA the half sprays were applied every 7 days rather than applying a full or 
complete spray every 14 days.  Later in the season the intervals were extended 
considerably.  One major advantage of ARM sprays is that it takes one-half as 
long to get some coverage as it would take to make a complete spray.  That can 
be advantages when there may be an approaching weather event such as a front 
with lots of rain and wind.

So with chemicals that have a pretty short half life it was felt that a 
complete coverage on one side of the tree and partial coverage on the back side 
knowing that you would do the reverse in 7 days.

I have heard that today there are some concerns about resistance management 
with ARM Sprays.  I am not a pest control person so I am just giving a history 
lesson on ARM sprays.  Of course many pests and pesticides have changed now so 
ARM sprays may not be advantages for current orchardists.

Be well, George Greene

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On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Jill Kelly wrote:

> We use 1/2 rate from both sides for the coverage as opposed to full rate both 
> sides.  Also you can mix for one block and then either add the water or more 
> material for the other block.
> 
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, Maine
> On Jun 9, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Nick Lucking wrote:
> 
>> Vincent,
>> 
>> I would like to do alternate row spraying in the high density block and at 4 
>> mph, I noticed poor coverage similar to what Peter mentioned.  Are you guys 
>> going every row?  Also, my rows are very, very tight up against the deer 
>> fence and that speed it was hard to get turned around without downshifting.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Nick Lucking
>> Cannon Valley Orchard
>> Cannon Falls, MN
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[apple-crop] Scaffolds 6/9

[Arthur M. Agnello]

A new issue of Scaffolds for the week of 6/9 has been posted and is available 
at:
http://www.scaffolds.entomology.cornell.edu/2014/SCAFFOLDS%206-9-14.pdf

A version formatted for mobile devices is available at:
http://www.scaffolds.entomology.cornell.edu/2014/6-09MD.pdf

This issue contains the following items:

INSECTS
- Orchard Radar Digest
- Woolly apple aphid
- Stinkbug survey closing soon
PEST FOCUS
INSECT TRAP CATCHES
UPCOMING PEST EVENTS


Arthur M. Agnello
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Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence

[Hugh Thomas]

I've tried many products and most of the ones mentioned in this thread.
Liquid Fence = Ranch Dressing. Dried Blood is deer code for Merlot. Here in
Montana, if a deer is hungry, he will eat anything. I finally put in an
eight foot high tensile fence.


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:59 AM,  wrote:

>  Lee, we use a product called Repells All by Bonide that lasts up to 2
> months and is made up of  Dried Blood ,  Putrescent whole egg solids,
> Garlic oil, Acetic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Cloves, Fish oil, Onions, Meat
> meal, Seaweed, Vanillin, Vitamin E,  and Wintergreen oil.  It comes in a 6
> lb. bag as granules and is also available in liquid.  The granules are a
> bit less expensive and are rainfast within 6 hours.  A six pound bag costs
> about $30 and covers about 5,000 square feet.   We use it in our sugar cube
> melons to keep the raccoons off them and around our young trees to keep the
> deer off them.  One bag covers about 3 to 4 400' rows of trees.  I don't
> know if this would be less expensive for you, but the product really does
> work for us.
>
> Dennis Norton
> IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard
> 15908 Hebron Rd.
> Harvard, IL 60033-9357
> Office (815) 648-4467
> Mobile (815) 228-2174
> Fax (609) 228-2174
> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* lee elliott 
> *To:* apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 7:52 AM
> *Subject:* [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence
>
> Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true,
> a small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the
> rest is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees,
> its a product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but
> has to be applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its
> is very expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm
> store. I would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how
> to do this?? Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois
> 
> On Fri, 6/6/14, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net <
> apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net> wrote:
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>  Message: 1
>  Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:17:17 -0600
>  From: "Fleming, William" 
>  To: Apple-crop discussion list 
>  Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between
>  Training Styles
>  Message-ID:
>   <0ed0d5ff52b2b3469bc620dba56ed85c8963169...@excms.msu.montana.edu>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>  Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both
>  growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up
>  two different tanks with different quantities of material
>  rather than mess with swapping nozzles.
>
>
>
>  Bill Fleming
>
>  Montana State University
>
>  Western Ag Research Center
>
>  Corvallis, MT 59828
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
>  [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net]
>  On Behalf Of Nick Lucking
>  Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM
>  To: apple-crop discussion list
>  Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between
>  Training Styles
>
>
>
>  Thanks for the responses. So when you guys use the
>  spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across
>  all blocks? Seems like if you don't have one (like me)
>  and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles
>  with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would
>  be out of whack between them.
>
>
>
>  Here's my scenario. 1.5 acres is conventional free
>  standing and 1.5 is tall spindle. When I did TRV
>  calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer
>  nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the
>  rate was way higher for the tall spindle block. When I
>  adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free
>  standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH.
>
>
>
>  I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the
>  tall spindle block to try to keep things even between
>  blocks.
>
>
>
>  Any furthe

Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence

[dmnorton]

Lee, we use a product called Repells All by Bonide that lasts up to 2 months 
and is made up of  Dried Blood ,  Putrescent whole egg solids, Garlic oil, 
Acetic Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Cloves, Fish oil, Onions, Meat meal, Seaweed, 
Vanillin, Vitamin E,  and Wintergreen oil.  It comes in a 6 lb. bag as granules 
and is also available in liquid.  The granules are a bit less expensive and are 
rainfast within 6 hours.  A six pound bag costs about $30 and covers about 
5,000 square feet.   We use it in our sugar cube melons to keep the raccoons 
off them and around our young trees to keep the deer off them.  One bag covers 
about 3 to 4 400' rows of trees.  I don't know if this would be less expensive 
for you, but the product really does work for us.

Dennis Norton
IPM Specialist/Certified Nurseryman
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
15908 Hebron Rd.
Harvard, IL 60033-9357
Office (815) 648-4467
Mobile (815) 228-2174
Fax (609) 228-2174
http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.blogspot.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: lee elliott 
  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 7:52 AM
  Subject: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence


  Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a 
small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest 
is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a 
product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be 
applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very 
expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I 
would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? 
Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois
  
  On Fri, 6/6/14, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net 
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   Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:17:17 -0600
   From: "Fleming, William" 
   To: Apple-crop discussion list 
   Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between
   Training Styles
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   Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both
   growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up
   two different tanks with different quantities of material
   rather than mess with swapping nozzles.
   
   
   
   Bill Fleming
   
   Montana State University
   
   Western Ag Research Center
   
   Corvallis, MT 59828
   
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
   [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net]
   On Behalf Of Nick Lucking
   Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM
   To: apple-crop discussion list
   Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between
   Training Styles
   
   
   
   Thanks for the responses. So when you guys use the
   spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across
   all blocks? Seems like if you don't have one (like me)
   and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles
   with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would
   be out of whack between them.
   
   
   
   Here's my scenario. 1.5 acres is conventional free
   standing and 1.5 is tall spindle. When I did TRV
   calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer
   nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the
   rate was way higher for the tall spindle block. When I
   adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free
   standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH.
   
   
   
   I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the
   tall spindle block to try to keep things even between
   blocks.
   
   
   
   Any further advise?
   
   
   
   Cheers,
   
   
   
   Nick Lucking
   
   Cannon Valley Orchard
   
   Cannon Falls, MN
   
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Re: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence

[Fleming, William]

The only deer deterrent I've seen that works long term is a good fence.
I don't doubt you that deer can spread blight. I never believed it until it 
happened to me but fire blight can also be spread from the smoke (or more 
likely ash) from a burn pile.
When a neighbor removed a block of severely blight Bosc pears the plume of 
smoke that expanded from the burn pile exactly matched the subsequent infection 
that occurred on full bloom Gala trees.

Bill Fleming
Montana State University
Western Ag Research Center
580 Quast Lane
Corvallis, MT 59828
406-961-3025
Cell- 406-529-2409

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From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
[mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of lee elliott
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:52 AM
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Subject: [apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence

Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a 
small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest 
is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a 
product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be 
applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very 
expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I 
would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? 
Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois

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 Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both  growing systems 
I would personally find it easier to mix up  two different tanks with different 
quantities of material  rather than mess with swapping nozzles.
 
 
 
 Bill Fleming
 
 Montana State University
 
 Western Ag Research Center
 
 Corvallis, MT 59828
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
 [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net]
 On Behalf Of Nick Lucking
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM
 To: apple-crop discussion list
 Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between  Training Styles
 
 
 
 Thanks for the responses.  So when you guys use the  spray controllers do you 
try to maintain the same GPA across  all blocks?  Seems like if you don't have 
one (like me)  and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles  
with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would  be out of whack 
between them.
 
 
 
 Here's my scenario.  1.5 acres is conventional free  standing and 1.5 is tall 
spindle.  When I did TRV  calculations last season and checked the GPM of 
sprayer  nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the  rate was way 
higher for the tall spindle block.  When I  adjusted the gear speed so the GPA 
would match the free  standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH.
 
 
 
 I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the  tall spindle 
block to try to keep things even between  blocks.
 
 
 
 Any further advise?
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
 Nick Lucking
 
 Cannon Valley Orchard
 
 Cannon Falls, MN
 
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Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles

[Jill Kelly]

We use 1/2 rate from both sides for the coverage as opposed to full rate both 
sides.  Also you can mix for one block and then either add the water or more 
material for the other block.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, Maine
On Jun 9, 2014, at 4:04 AM, Nick Lucking wrote:

> Vincent,
> 
> I would like to do alternate row spraying in the high density block and at 4 
> mph, I noticed poor coverage similar to what Peter mentioned.  Are you guys 
> going every row?  Also, my rows are very, very tight up against the deer 
> fence and that speed it was hard to get turned around without downshifting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nick Lucking
> Cannon Valley Orchard
> Cannon Falls, MN
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[apple-crop] Deer, Fireblight, Liquid Fence

[lee elliott]

Deer browsing on young trees is spreading fireblight, I know this is true, a 
small fenced in area in my orchard has little to no fireblight while the rest 
is fire blight city, I am using Liquid Fence,on newly planted trees, its a 
product made from putrified egg whites, this stuff really works but has to be 
applied every 10 days or after major rain storms, problem is its is very 
expensive, a bottle that treats 4 gallons is $30 at the local farm store. I 
would like to know how to make some myself, does anyone know how to do this?? 
Lee Elliott, winchester, Illinois

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 Nick, as long as you are getting sufficient coverage in both
 growing systems I would personally find it easier to mix up
 two different tanks with different quantities of material
 rather than mess with swapping nozzles.
 
 
 
 Bill Fleming
 
 Montana State University
 
 Western Ag Research Center
 
 Corvallis, MT 59828
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
 [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net]
 On Behalf Of Nick Lucking
 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:54 AM
 To: apple-crop discussion list
 Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between
 Training Styles
 
 
 
 Thanks for the responses.  So when you guys use the
 spray controllers do you try to maintain the same GPA across
 all blocks?  Seems like if you don't have one (like me)
 and you mix a tank to apply across multiple training styles
 with varying row spacing the pesticide rate per acre would
 be out of whack between them.
 
 
 
 Here's my scenario.  1.5 acres is conventional free
 standing and 1.5 is tall spindle.  When I did TRV
 calculations last season and checked the GPM of sprayer
 nozzles obviously with the difference in row spacing the
 rate was way higher for the tall spindle block.  When I
 adjusted the gear speed so the GPA would match the free
 standing block, tractor speed was way too fast ~4 MPH.
 
 
 
 I suppose I could get another set of smaller nozzles for the
 tall spindle block to try to keep things even between
 blocks.
 
 
 
 Any further advise?
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
 Nick Lucking
 
 Cannon Valley Orchard
 
 Cannon Falls, MN
 
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Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles

[Vincent Philion]

Hi!

> alternate row spraying in the high density block  
> and at 4 mph, I noticed poor coverage similar to what Peter  
> mentioned.  Are you guys going every row?

We advise every row spraying because of the spotty coverage with alternate 
rows. Growers with very clean orchards get by with alternate row spraying at 
the beginning of season, but it’s risky.

However, we do advise to “split risk” for scab spraying:
i/e alternate rows ahead of dubious rain forecast and within rain spray 
(germination window sprays) if rain comes and might lead to infection.

Vincent



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Re: [apple-crop] Sprayer Calibration Between Training Styles

[Nick Lucking]

Vincent,

I would like to do alternate row spraying in the high density block  
and at 4 mph, I noticed poor coverage similar to what Peter  
mentioned.  Are you guys going every row?  Also, my rows are very,  
very tight up against the deer fence and that speed it was hard to  
get turned around without downshifting.


Cheers,

Nick Lucking
Cannon Valley Orchard
Cannon Falls, MN
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