Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
On 24/04/14 07:27 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi guys, > > It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship > net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I > regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead > and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right > message... > > I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most > people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess > that's not an insurmountable problem for us though? > > Cheers, > > Tom This also applies to wireless_tools (and the entire kernel stack it uses) being deprecated in favour of iw. Sadly there are a bunch of poorly maintained drivers not ported to the new stack... all of the ones listed here[1] as not having cfg80211 support are a problem. I'm not sure if there's anything we can do about this yet. [1] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[arch-dev-public] libetpan removed from testing
Libetpan built with new toolchain braiks claws-mail even after recompiling it. For now I removed the broken new libetpan version from testing. -Andy signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
Am 24.04.2014 14:06, schrieb Florian Pritz: > On 24.04.2014 13:27, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship >> net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? > > I dislike ss's output format. 'ss -tulpn' is kind of the same as > 'netstat -tulpen' yet way harder to read (tons of useless whitespace in > there and 2 lines per listener). > > I don't care about ifconfig too much, but other binaries in the package > are still useful imho and should be kept so -1 for dropping to aur. I'm > fine with dropping it from core though. I feel exactly the same. I always install net-tools for netstat. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
On Thu 24, April 13:27:54 Tom Gundersen wrote: > I thought we had dropped it from Arch to be honest... Maybe time to > look at that... +1 for removing it from [core] On my system it's needed by aircrack-ng which is in [community], so I propose to move net-tools there too. -- Andrea Arch Linux Developer
Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
On 24.04.2014 13:27, Tom Gundersen wrote: > It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship > net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I dislike ss's output format. 'ss -tulpn' is kind of the same as 'netstat -tulpen' yet way harder to read (tons of useless whitespace in there and 2 lines per listener). I don't care about ifconfig too much, but other binaries in the package are still useful imho and should be kept so -1 for dropping to aur. I'm fine with dropping it from core though. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi guys, > > It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship > net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I > regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead > and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right > message... > > I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most > people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess > that's not an insurmountable problem for us though? > > Cheers, > > Tom Drop it. It may upset some users, but there's no point in supporting something that is clearly broken for many years and that has a superior alternative. Lukas
[arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
Hi guys, It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right message... I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess that's not an insurmountable problem for us though? Cheers, Tom -- Forwarded message -- From: Tom Gundersen Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1) To: Mantas Mikulėnas Cc: Oliver , "systemd-de...@lists.freedesktop.org" On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Umut Tezduyar Lindskog > wrote: >> Hi Oliver, >> >> You can specify Address= more than once as it is explained in >> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html >> (Address=). > > And just for the record, use `ip addr` to make sure it works, because > chances are that `ifconfig` won't show it. > > Since kernel 2.2, there can be several IP addresses on the same eth0 > interface without having to use 'aliases', using `ip addr add` for > example. networkd uses the new method as well. Unfortunately, > `ifconfig` – even the last version that Arch has – only shows the > first address to this day. PSA: never, ever, use ifconfig or friends. It has been dead upstream since sometime in the last millenium and is known to give you misleading or just wrong information. I thought we had dropped it from Arch to be honest... Maybe time to look at that... Cheers, Tom
[arch-dev-public] Signoff report for [testing]
=== Signoff report for [testing] === https://www.archlinux.org/packages/signoffs/ There are currently: * 14 new packages in last 24 hours * 0 known bad packages * 0 packages not accepting signoffs * 1 fully signed off package * 44 packages missing signoffs * 2 packages older than 14 days (Note: the word 'package' as used here refers to packages as grouped by pkgbase, architecture, and repository; e.g., one PKGBUILD produces one package per architecture, even if it is a split package.) == New packages in [testing] in last 24 hours (14 total) == * binutils-2.24-3 (i686) * gcc-4.9.0-1 (i686) * glibc-2.19-4 (i686) * libtool-2.4.2-13 (i686) * linux-api-headers-3.14.1-1 (i686) * binutils-2.24-3 (x86_64) * gcc-4.9.0-1 (x86_64) * glibc-2.19-4 (x86_64) * libtool-2.4.2-13 (x86_64) * linux-api-headers-3.14.1-1 (x86_64) * openmpi-1.8.1-1 (i686) * xfce4-power-manager-1.2.0.198.g76d1f4f-1 (i686) * openmpi-1.8.1-1 (x86_64) * xfce4-power-manager-1.2.0.198.g76d1f4f-1 (x86_64) == Incomplete signoffs for [core] (19 total) == * binutils-2.24-3 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * btrfs-progs-3.14.1-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gawk-4.1.1-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gcc-4.9.0-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * glibc-2.19-4 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * grub-1:2.02.beta2-3 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * libtool-2.4.2-13 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * linux-api-headers-3.14.1-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * syslinux-6.03pre11-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * binutils-2.24-3 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * btrfs-progs-3.14.1-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * cronie-1.4.11-2 (x86_64) 1/2 signoffs * gawk-4.1.1-1 (x86_64) 1/2 signoffs * gcc-4.9.0-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * glibc-2.19-4 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * grub-1:2.02.beta2-3 (x86_64) 1/2 signoffs * libtool-2.4.2-13 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * linux-api-headers-3.14.1-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * syslinux-6.03pre11-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs == Incomplete signoffs for [extra] (25 total) == * flickrnet-3.10.0-1 (any) 0/2 signoffs * colord-1.2.0-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * colord-gtk-0.1.25-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gnome-color-manager-3.12.1-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gnome-control-center-3.12.1-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gnome-settings-daemon-3.12.1-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * gtk3-3.12.1-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * liblastfm-1.0.8-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * libreoffice-4.2.4-0.1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * openmpi-1.8.1-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * qemu-2.0.0-2 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * refind-efi-0.7.9-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * xfce4-power-manager-1.2.0.198.g76d1f4f-1 (i686) 0/1 signoffs * colord-1.2.0-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * colord-gtk-0.1.25-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * gnome-color-manager-3.12.1-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * gnome-control-center-3.12.1-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * gnome-settings-daemon-3.12.1-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * gtk3-3.12.1-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * liblastfm-1.0.8-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * libreoffice-4.2.4-0.1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * openmpi-1.8.1-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * qemu-2.0.0-2 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * refind-efi-0.7.9-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs * xfce4-power-manager-1.2.0.198.g76d1f4f-1 (x86_64) 0/2 signoffs == Completed signoffs (1 total) == * cronie-1.4.11-2 (i686) == All packages in [testing] for more than 14 days (2 total) == * grub-1:2.02.beta2-3 (i686), since 2014-04-07 * grub-1:2.02.beta2-3 (x86_64), since 2014-04-07 == Top five in signoffs in last 24 hours ==
