Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Hi, On 07/06/17 at 09:44am, NicoHood wrote: > On 07/06/2017 09:12 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote: > > On 2017-07-06 02:11, NicoHood wrote: > >> On 07/05/2017 12:10 AM, Christian Hesse wrote: > >>> Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: > Hey all, > > This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't > missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] > which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to > switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication > of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo > sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has > been, and I see that as a positive. > >>> > >>> Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give > >>> it a > >>> try! ;) > >>> > >>> BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits > >>> landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some > >>> benefit. > >>> > >> > >> Systemd still does not use https sources. Regarding the recent > >> discussion about tricking git about wrong tags and other evil stuff it > >> is highly recommended to switch to https. Please do it in favor for all > >> ArchLinux users security. > >> > >> Once more the reference: > >> https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/torres-arias > >> > > > > Regarding the recent discussion: > > > > https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-July/028919.html > > > > I really hoped I don't have to put "NicoHood" on top to make you realize > > it's addressed to you. Please do it in favor for all Arch Linux packagers. > > > > What are you blaming me for now? This is a package everyone must install > and you are telling me we have other serious problems? Sure we have, but > compared to the time it takes to add an "s" to "http" this is a simple > excuse. And this is not about checksums man, this is about https where > even gpg signatures by git can be tricked. I believe that a large group of Dev/Tu's do believe that security is a serious issue and that we should put some effort into security. And I can't thank everyone enough who has done a lot of work for example for the Security Tracker. A few people have worked hard, without much complaining and realy made a difference. For the whole signing issue we have a todolist for GPG signatures and never decided as far as I know on the sha256 or sha512 (or any poison) sums. Yet there is one individual in our community who keeps harassing (yes it's called harassment) Dev/Tu's to get GPG / HTTPS in PKGBUILD's. I would appreciate it if the discussion regarding GPG sigs etc, would be less dramatic. I'm kinda done with these requirements if I keep getting bugged that it's missing md5sums, https while I have a GPG sig. Calling out people, bugging them, isn't really the method to get things done. Note that this is my personal opinion, I surely do not speak for Arch as a whole. > And yes, I am doing stuff in the background. I wrote a guide and a tool > that simplifies source code signing[1] and I am doing a detailed > security analysis on all ArchLinux packages. And once it is ready I will > request gpg signatures from every upstream source, especially packages > from [core]. I appreciate the effort of contacting upstream about providing GPG signatures, that's really great! -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 2017-07-06 09:44, NicoHood wrote: > On 07/06/2017 09:12 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote: >> On 2017-07-06 02:11, NicoHood wrote: >>> On 07/05/2017 12:10 AM, Christian Hesse wrote: Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: > Hey all, > > This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't > missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] > which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to > switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication > of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo > sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has > been, and I see that as a positive. Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give it a try! ;) BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some benefit. >>> >>> Systemd still does not use https sources. Regarding the recent >>> discussion about tricking git about wrong tags and other evil stuff it >>> is highly recommended to switch to https. Please do it in favor for all >>> ArchLinux users security. >>> >>> Once more the reference: >>> https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/torres-arias >>> >> >> Regarding the recent discussion: >> >> https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-July/028919.html >> >> I really hoped I don't have to put "NicoHood" on top to make you realize >> it's addressed to you. Please do it in favor for all Arch Linux packagers. >> > > What are you blaming me for now? This is a package everyone must install > and you are telling me we have other serious problems? Sure we have, but > compared to the time it takes to add an "s" to "http" this is a simple > excuse. And this is not about checksums man, this is about https where > even gpg signatures by git can be tricked. Just as it is possible that a plane will fall into your house. The existence of a way doesn't imply probability. > And yes, I am doing stuff in the background. I wrote a guide and a tool > that simplifies source code signing[1] and I am doing a detailed > security analysis on all ArchLinux packages. And once it is ready I will > request gpg signatures from every upstream source, especially packages > from [core]. Great, you are pushing another personal project as something we should glorify. Finish what you started first, instead of jumping between multiple things, mostly accomplishing hostility towards you or anything you propose. (Hint: nobody is taking you seriously anymore.) > So you can tell me discussing about this is bullshit, right. But just > not reacting to obvious security problems that can be solved within > seconds is just not a single time better. Please do it in favor for all > Arch Linux User's Security. > At this point I'm ready to just put you on moderation list. Trying to make you less oblivious is a waste of time. B
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 06/07/17 17:44, NicoHood wrote: > ArchLinux At least spell the name of the distro correctly. It is the simple addition of one space character between "Arch" and "Linux". But I see it is easy for people to forget about silly one character issues. A
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 07/06/2017 09:44 AM, NicoHood wrote: > And yes, I am doing stuff in the background. I wrote a guide and a tool > that simplifies source code signing[1] and I am doing a detailed > security analysis on all ArchLinux packages. And once it is ready I will > request gpg signatures from every upstream source, especially packages > from [core]. > Forgot the reference: [1] https://github.com/NicoHood/gpgit signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 07/06/2017 09:12 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote: > On 2017-07-06 02:11, NicoHood wrote: >> On 07/05/2017 12:10 AM, Christian Hesse wrote: >>> Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: Hey all, This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has been, and I see that as a positive. >>> >>> Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give it a >>> try! ;) >>> >>> BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits >>> landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some >>> benefit. >>> >> >> Systemd still does not use https sources. Regarding the recent >> discussion about tricking git about wrong tags and other evil stuff it >> is highly recommended to switch to https. Please do it in favor for all >> ArchLinux users security. >> >> Once more the reference: >> https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/torres-arias >> > > Regarding the recent discussion: > > https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-July/028919.html > > I really hoped I don't have to put "NicoHood" on top to make you realize > it's addressed to you. Please do it in favor for all Arch Linux packagers. > What are you blaming me for now? This is a package everyone must install and you are telling me we have other serious problems? Sure we have, but compared to the time it takes to add an "s" to "http" this is a simple excuse. And this is not about checksums man, this is about https where even gpg signatures by git can be tricked. And yes, I am doing stuff in the background. I wrote a guide and a tool that simplifies source code signing[1] and I am doing a detailed security analysis on all ArchLinux packages. And once it is ready I will request gpg signatures from every upstream source, especially packages from [core]. So you can tell me discussing about this is bullshit, right. But just not reacting to obvious security problems that can be solved within seconds is just not a single time better. Please do it in favor for all Arch Linux User's Security. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 2017-07-06 02:11, NicoHood wrote: > On 07/05/2017 12:10 AM, Christian Hesse wrote: >> Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't >>> missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] >>> which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to >>> switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication >>> of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo >>> sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has >>> been, and I see that as a positive. >> >> Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give it a >> try! ;) >> >> BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits >> landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some benefit. >> > > Systemd still does not use https sources. Regarding the recent > discussion about tricking git about wrong tags and other evil stuff it > is highly recommended to switch to https. Please do it in favor for all > ArchLinux users security. > > Once more the reference: > https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/torres-arias > Regarding the recent discussion: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-July/028919.html I really hoped I don't have to put "NicoHood" on top to make you realize it's addressed to you. Please do it in favor for all Arch Linux packagers.
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
On 07/05/2017 12:10 AM, Christian Hesse wrote: > Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: >> Hey all, >> >> This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't >> missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] >> which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to >> switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication >> of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo >> sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has >> been, and I see that as a positive. > > Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give it a > try! ;) > > BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits > landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some benefit. > Systemd still does not use https sources. Regarding the recent discussion about tricking git about wrong tags and other evil stuff it is highly recommended to switch to https. Please do it in favor for all ArchLinux users security. Once more the reference: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/torres-arias signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22:
> Hey all,
>
> This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't
> missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1]
> which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to
> switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication
> of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo
> sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has
> been, and I see that as a positive.
Just a little heads-up... systemd 233.75-1 landed in [testing]. So give it a
try! ;)
BTW, we had just one backported commit to be removed, so 74 new commits
landed in this package compared to 233-7. Let's hope this gives some benefit.
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Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Le 01/07/2017 à 20:15, Laurent Carlier via arch-dev-public a écrit : > Le samedi 1 juillet 2017, 19:59:49 CEST Christian Hesse a écrit : >> Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: >>> One potentially bikeshed-worthy question is versioning. Do we count >>> commits and modify the pkgver every time we build from the repo, e.g. >>> 233.23-1 (meaning pkgrel=1 of a v233 build containing 23 backports), or >>> do we simply keep the base pkgver true to upstream and increment pkgrel >>> every time we release, e.g. 233-5 (meaning pkgrel=5 of some build of the >>> v233 stable branch). >>> >>> [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable >> I like the versioning to indicate what the package contains... So voting for >> the inclusion of commit count. The only downside will be that people will >> flag the package out-of-date for every new commit in the stable branch. :-p > I agree, commit count is the best choice. Just in case more voices matter, I agree too. ;) Bruno signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Le samedi 1 juillet 2017, 19:59:49 CEST Christian Hesse a écrit : > Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22: > > One potentially bikeshed-worthy question is versioning. Do we count > > commits and modify the pkgver every time we build from the repo, e.g. > > 233.23-1 (meaning pkgrel=1 of a v233 build containing 23 backports), or > > do we simply keep the base pkgver true to upstream and increment pkgrel > > every time we release, e.g. 233-5 (meaning pkgrel=5 of some build of the > > v233 stable branch). > > > > [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable > > I like the versioning to indicate what the package contains... So voting for > the inclusion of commit count. The only downside will be that people will > flag the package out-of-date for every new commit in the stable branch. :-p I agree, commit count is the best choice. -- Laurent Carlier http://www.archlinux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Dave Reisner on Sat, 2017/07/01 13:22:
> Hey all,
>
> This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't
> missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1]
> which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to
> switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication
> of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo
> sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has
> been, and I see that as a positive.
>
> One potentially bikeshed-worthy question is versioning. Do we count
> commits and modify the pkgver every time we build from the repo, e.g.
> 233.23-1 (meaning pkgrel=1 of a v233 build containing 23 backports), or
> do we simply keep the base pkgver true to upstream and increment pkgrel
> every time we release, e.g. 233-5 (meaning pkgrel=5 of some build of the
> v233 stable branch).
>
> [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable
I like the versioning to indicate what the package contains... So voting for
the inclusion of commit count. The only downside will be that people will
flag the package out-of-date for every new commit in the stable branch. :-p
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[arch-dev-public] switching to systemd-stable
Hey all, This should be pretty much a no-brainer, but wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything. Systemd upstream publishes a "systemd-stable" repo [1] which branches at each tag and cherry-picks backports. I'd like to switch our systemd package to this repo to avoid some of the duplication of work that Jan, Christian and myself have done in the past. The repo sees a bunch more activity than what our own backporting strategy has been, and I see that as a positive. One potentially bikeshed-worthy question is versioning. Do we count commits and modify the pkgver every time we build from the repo, e.g. 233.23-1 (meaning pkgrel=1 of a v233 build containing 23 backports), or do we simply keep the base pkgver true to upstream and increment pkgrel every time we release, e.g. 233-5 (meaning pkgrel=5 of some build of the v233 stable branch). Regards, Dave [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable
