Re: [arch-general] syslog-ng build error

[Jan de Groot]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 21:13 -0300, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:
> In any way, I would like to know the opinion of the developers. If you
> continue with the current compilation of syslog-ng (mixed) or move to
> a
> fully shared.

I would say: fully shared.

Doing so would introduce eventlog (108K), glib2 (10336K), pcre (2164K),
gcc-libs (9068K), libcap (185K).

Eventlog, gcc-libs and libcap aren't a problem at all, they're small and
in case of gcc-libs already required on the system.
For glib2, it's "huge", but given the fact that many people have this
thing installed for other purposes anyways, I don't see the problem
here. People with minimal systems could get rid of /usr/include anyways,
which is where the most space is taken in case of glib2.

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Juan Diego]

I used to have the same problem, what I did is this:

1. reinstall kde:

pacman -S kde

2. recreate the kms initcpio in my case (your case could be different):

mkinitcpio -p kernel26-kms

3. install xf86-video-intel-newest from aur

Im not sure which step was the one that actually fix it, but now Im
running kde fine

I hope it works for you too

Good luck

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Nicolas Bigaouette
 wrote:
> I tried putting "xterm" only in my .xinitrc.
>
> Once xterm is launched (without window management..., but otherwise works
> fine), if I launch manually /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher it tells me I
> should not run that manually, that it is started automatically by kdeinit4.
>
> If I then try /usr/bin/kded4, I get the same error as reported earlier:
>
>> kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
>> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
>> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>>
>
> Running "startkde" from the xterm I get:
>
>> startkde: Starting up...
>> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
>> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
>> kded(10731): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
>> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
>> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>>
>> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
>> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/ksmserver
>> startkde: Shutting down...
>> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
>> startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
>> startkde: Done.
>>
>
> Why can't kded4 connect to my dbus??
>
>
> 2009/5/27 Damjan Georgievski 
>
>> > startkde: Starting up...
>> > kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
>> > kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
>> > kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
>> > Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
>> > not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>>
>> this suggests kded didn't run ..  maybe try to start it manually and
>> see where it breaks .. or even better start with xterm only and run
>> each kde component one by one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> damjan
>>
>

[arch-general] No color with asus M50VC webcam

[richard terry]

Wondered if anyone had any clues as to why no colour.

The cam pictures in skype/xawtv which I tried B&W and pretty dim.

Regards

Richard

Re: [arch-general] syslog-ng build error

[Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi]

Baho Utot wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 20:59 -0300, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:
>   
>> Baho Utot wrote:
>> 
>>> Making syslog-ng 3.0.1-6 i686 in Clean Chroot
>>>
>>> gcc  -march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall   -o syslog-ng
>>> main.o libsyslog-ng.a   -lrt -lnsl  -Wl,-Bstatic -lfl -lglib-2.0
>>> -levtlog   -lssl -lcrypto -lz  -lz  -lwrap -lcap -lpcre  -Wl,-Bdynamic
>>> -ldl  
>>> What is -lcap ?
>>>
>>> Is it looking for a static lib cap?
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> Yes I just talked about this with Hugo doria
>>
>> syslog-ng needs libcap as static as others libs like glib2 openssl zlib,
>> eventlog, etc... because is compiled in mixed mode
>>
>> So there are important issue here:
>>
>> many deps (that need to be in the [core], small binary
>>
>> VS
>> (the current behaviour)
>> few deps (only glibc), big binary (~2MB) + security issues (if any of
>> static lib is afected and this pkg inst recompiled) + more memory usage
>> (this is very small in these days of course)
>>
>>
>> Also there is an open task for this without attention [#1]
>>
>>
>> [#1] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14214
>>
>> 
>
> So I need to patch?
>
>
>   
No, for now, just compile libcap with static lib, (in PKGBUILD there is
a rm that delete this static lib) so comment it.

In any way, I would like to know the opinion of the developers. If you
continue with the current compilation of syslog-ng (mixed) or move to a
fully shared.
And if continue in mixed mode, if any of lib that uses as static is
updated, then the syslog-ng should be marked as "out-of-date", like for
example now, with the recent update to glib2.

;)


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Re: [arch-general] syslog-ng build error

[Baho Utot]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 20:59 -0300, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:
> Baho Utot wrote:
> > Making syslog-ng 3.0.1-6 i686 in Clean Chroot
> >
> > gcc  -march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall   -o syslog-ng
> > main.o libsyslog-ng.a   -lrt -lnsl  -Wl,-Bstatic -lfl -lglib-2.0
> > -levtlog   -lssl -lcrypto -lz  -lz  -lwrap -lcap -lpcre  -Wl,-Bdynamic
> > -ldl  
> > What is -lcap ?
> >
> > Is it looking for a static lib cap?
> >
> >   
> Yes I just talked about this with Hugo doria
> 
> syslog-ng needs libcap as static as others libs like glib2 openssl zlib,
> eventlog, etc... because is compiled in mixed mode
> 
> So there are important issue here:
> 
> many deps (that need to be in the [core], small binary
> 
> VS
> (the current behaviour)
> few deps (only glibc), big binary (~2MB) + security issues (if any of
> static lib is afected and this pkg inst recompiled) + more memory usage
> (this is very small in these days of course)
> 
> 
> Also there is an open task for this without attention [#1]
> 
> 
> [#1] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14214
> 

So I need to patch?

Re: [arch-general] syslog-ng build error

[Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi]

Baho Utot wrote:
> Making syslog-ng 3.0.1-6 i686 in Clean Chroot
>
> gcc  -march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall   -o syslog-ng
> main.o libsyslog-ng.a   -lrt -lnsl  -Wl,-Bstatic -lfl -lglib-2.0
> -levtlog   -lssl -lcrypto -lz  -lz  -lwrap -lcap -lpcre  -Wl,-Bdynamic
> -ldl  
> What is -lcap ?
>
> Is it looking for a static lib cap?
>
>   
Yes I just talked about this with Hugo doria

syslog-ng needs libcap as static as others libs like glib2 openssl zlib,
eventlog, etc... because is compiled in mixed mode

So there are important issue here:

many deps (that need to be in the [core], small binary

VS
(the current behaviour)
few deps (only glibc), big binary (~2MB) + security issues (if any of
static lib is afected and this pkg inst recompiled) + more memory usage
(this is very small in these days of course)


Also there is an open task for this without attention [#1]


[#1] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14214

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[arch-general] syslog-ng build error

[Baho Utot]

Making syslog-ng 3.0.1-6 i686 in Clean Chroot


==> Making package: syslog-ng 3.0.1-6 i686 (Wed May 27 19:31:24 UTC
2009)
==> Checking Runtime Dependencies...
==> Checking Buildtime Dependencies...
==> Installing missing dependencies...
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...


if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..   -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/usr/include/eventlog
-D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -march=athlon
-O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF
".deps/main.Tpo" -c -o main.o main.c; \
then mv -f ".deps/main.Tpo" ".deps/main.Po"; else rm -f
".deps/main.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
gcc  -march=athlon -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall   -o syslog-ng
main.o libsyslog-ng.a   -lrt -lnsl  -Wl,-Bstatic -lfl -lglib-2.0
-levtlog   -lssl -lcrypto -lz  -lz  -lwrap -lcap -lpcre  -Wl,-Bdynamic
-ldl  
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcap
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [syslog-ng] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/build/src/syslog-ng-3.0.1/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/build/src/syslog-ng-3.0.1'
make: *** [all] Error 2
==> ERROR: Build Failed.


What is -lcap ?

Is it looking for a static lib cap?

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Nicolas Bigaouette]

I tried putting "xterm" only in my .xinitrc.

Once xterm is launched (without window management..., but otherwise works
fine), if I launch manually /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher it tells me I
should not run that manually, that it is started automatically by kdeinit4.

If I then try /usr/bin/kded4, I get the same error as reported earlier:

> kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>

Running "startkde" from the xterm I get:

> startkde: Starting up...
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
> kded(10731): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/ksmserver
> startkde: Shutting down...
> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
> startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
> startkde: Done.
>

Why can't kded4 connect to my dbus??


2009/5/27 Damjan Georgievski 

> > startkde: Starting up...
> > kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
> > kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
> > kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
> > Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
> > not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>
> this suggests kded didn't run ..  maybe try to start it manually and
> see where it breaks .. or even better start with xterm only and run
> each kde component one by one.
>
>
>
>
> --
> damjan
>

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Damjan Georgievski]

> startkde: Starting up...
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
> kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "

this suggests kded didn't run ..  maybe try to start it manually and
see where it breaks .. or even better start with xterm only and run
each kde component one by one.




-- 
damjan

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

[Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi]

Damjan Georgievski wrote:
>> Many package manage user/groups in many differents ways. (no much
>> problem here)
>>
>> 
> Maybe PKGBUILD could have a user[s] and group[s] variables that only
> specify  the user/group needed for the package and pacman could take
> care of the actual creating and removing of the user and group?
>
> .. just an idea
>
>   
Hi

Yes, this is in TODO for some time in the future. See here
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:UID_/_GID_Database

But at this moment, this is not implemented, so... my question is... fix
or not? I can do it, no problem.

Good Luck!

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Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

[Damjan Georgievski]

> Many package manage user/groups in many differents ways. (no much
> problem here)
>
> Many do things like:
>
> @ when installed
> 1) check if not user foo exists then create it
> 2) check if not group foo exists then create it
> @when removed
> 1) remove the user foo (without check)
> 2) remove the group foo (without check)
>
> Because by default the option USERGROUPS_ENAB is set to yes, when user
> "foo" is removed also the group "foo" is removed, so the groupdel
> command will fail, then pacman show the message: "error: scriptlet
> failed to execute correctly".
>
> The solution is trivial, check with getent before remove, just like some
> packages do it before create the user.
>
> My question here, is there interest in resolving this? Currently I have
> the choice of those who fail (both extra and comunity). Do you send a
> report to everyone who fail to flyspray with the patch (low priority)?
> Also I can unify the user creation step, some .install check with "grep"
> and others with "getent". I prefer the proper getent method.

Maybe PKGBUILD could have a user[s] and group[s] variables that only
specify  the user/group needed for the package and pacman could take
care of the actual creating and removing of the user and group?

.. just an idea



-- 
damjan

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Nicolas Bigaouette]

Did that too, without success...

2009/5/27 Andrea Scarpino 

> On 27/05/2009, Nicolas Bigaouette  wrote:
> > So the problem is not that it is failing to load i810 or vesa, the server
> > just tries to load them but they are not used.
> Yes, I am stupid -.-' you said KDM works, so X works.
>
> try to move ~/.kde4 dir to somewhere and start kde
>
> --
> Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino
> Arch Linux Developer
>

[arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

[Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi]

Hi,

Many package manage user/groups in many differents ways. (no much
problem here)

Many do things like:

@ when installed
1) check if not user foo exists then create it
2) check if not group foo exists then create it
@when removed
1) remove the user foo (without check)
2) remove the group foo (without check)

Because by default the option USERGROUPS_ENAB is set to yes, when user
"foo" is removed also the group "foo" is removed, so the groupdel
command will fail, then pacman show the message: "error: scriptlet
failed to execute correctly".

The solution is trivial, check with getent before remove, just like some
packages do it before create the user.

My question here, is there interest in resolving this? Currently I have
the choice of those who fail (both extra and comunity). Do you send a
report to everyone who fail to flyspray with the patch (low priority)?
Also I can unify the user creation step, some .install check with "grep"
and others with "getent". I prefer the proper getent method.

The only package in [core] that have this issue is dbus-core [#1] and is
actually reported.


[#1] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14810

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Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Andrea Scarpino]

On 27/05/2009, Nicolas Bigaouette  wrote:
> So the problem is not that it is failing to load i810 or vesa, the server
> just tries to load them but they are not used.
Yes, I am stupid -.-' you said KDM works, so X works.

try to move ~/.kde4 dir to somewhere and start kde

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Arch Linux Developer

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Nicolas Bigaouette]

I knew I forgot some info about my system... ;)

I'm using KMS+DRI2, no xorg.conf, and I only have xf86-video-intel installed
(2.7.1). Xorg is configuring itself just fine... Here is a snippet of
/var/log/Xorg.0.log:

> (==) AIGLX enabled
> (II) Loading extension GLX
> (II) LoadModule: "record"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so
> (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.13.0
> Module class: X.Org Server Extension
> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
> (II) Loading extension RECORD
> (II) LoadModule: "dri"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
> (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0
> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
> (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
> (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri2.so
> (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.0.0
> ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
> (II) Loading extension DRI2
> (II) *LoadModule: "intel"*
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so
> (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.7.1
> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
> (II) LoadModule: "i810"
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module i810
> (II) UnloadModule: "i810"
> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
> (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
> compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 2.2.0
> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
> (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev
> (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev"
> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
> i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
> E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, IGD_GM, IGD_G, 965G, G35,
> 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
> Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset,
> Intel Integrated Graphics Device, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41
> (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
>

So the problem is not that it is failing to load i810 or vesa, the server
just tries to load them but they are not used.


2009/5/27 Andrea Scarpino 

> On 27/05/2009, Nicolas Bigaouette  wrote:
> > (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> I think is this the cause. Did you removed xf86-video-intel package?
> Or try to use 'intel' instead of 'i810' in xorg.conf
>
> --
> Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino
> Arch Linux Developer
>

Re: [arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Andrea Scarpino]

On 27/05/2009, Nicolas Bigaouette  wrote:
> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
I think is this the cause. Did you removed xf86-video-intel package?
Or try to use 'intel' instead of 'i810' in xorg.conf

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Arch Linux Developer

Re: [arch-general] network-plasmoid-svn on extra? (WAS: KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi)

[Nicolas Bigaouette]

That plasmoid worked for me until NM was updated a month or so ago. Since
then, I have the same issue: it sits there without doing something useful...

Until it at least works, don

> Andrea Scarpino wrote:
>
>> On 27/05/2009, Thomas Bächler  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How about adding this to extra? It seems NM is very popular, and until
>>> it is part of kdenetwork we should not force a high percentage of our
>>> users to build it from AUR.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> we could, I was waiting a stable version. what others DEV think about
>> this?
>>
>>
>>
> Just built from AUR on clean and updated Arch install.  Its not working.
>  Wired and wireless connections are seen, but only wired connections are
> made.  When trying to connect to open/WPA wireless connections it just sits
> there doing nothing - cant see any activity in the system log (NM activity).
> Also it doesnt handle creating a wallet in kwallet when no prior wallet is
> already there - this might be a kwallet issue - will have to research some
> more.
>
> Manne
>
>

[arch-general] KDE stoped working

[Nicolas Bigaouette]

Hi all,

I'm using KDE 4.2.3 on all my (up-to-date) machines. My workstation crashed
an hour ago so I had to reboot. But then KDE would not launch anymore. I'm
clueless of what could have gone wrong...

I login normaly via KDM, launched as runlevel 5 (inittab). KDM works: I can
enter my login information. Then KDE starts loading. But then, as soon as
the hardrive icon is fuly "unblured", it shutdown and bring me back to KDM.
Same thing if I try via startx (startkde in .xinitrc).

I then get this error in my terminal:

> X.Org X Server 1.6.1
> Release Date: 2009-4-14
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.29-ARCH x86_64
> Current Operating System: Linux soundwave 2.6.29-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed
> May 20 06:42:43 UTC 2009 x86_64
> Build Date: 15 April 2009  11:01:49AM
>
> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
> to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May 27 14:34:14 2009
> (==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines)
> (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
> Setting master
> xset:  bad font path element (#23), possible causes are:
> Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions
> Directory missing fonts.dir
> Incorrect font server address or syntax
> startkde: Starting up...
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
> kded(7702): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did
> not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
>
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/ksmserver
> startkde: Shutting down...
> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
> startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
> startkde: Done.
>
> waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master
>

DBus is running:

> > ps aux | grep dbus
> dbus  4157  0.0  0.0   8500   940 ?Ss   14:50   0:00
> /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
> nicolas   6206  0.0  0.0  23864   712 tty2 S15:03   0:00
> dbus-launch --autolaunch 6f2374eec76b3f19172c118549c7da6d --binary-syntax
> --close-stderr
> nicolas   6207  0.0  0.0   8400   888 ?Ss   15:03   0:00
> /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
>
and same thing with HAL:
> ps aux | grep hal

> hal   5907  0.0  0.1  28128  4964 ?Ss   15:02   0:00
> /usr/sbin/hald
> root  5908  0.0  0.0  15680  1188 ?S15:02   0:00
> hald-runner
> root  5936  0.0  0.0  17792  1140 ?S15:02   0:00
> hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event2
> /dev/input/event1
> hal   5974  0.0  0.0  15388  1012 ?S15:02   0:00
> hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpi kernel interface /proc/acpi/event
> root  5976  0.0  0.0  17796  1132 ?S15:02   0:00
> hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 16 sec)
>

I even tried launching "startkde" via strace to see what was happening, but
it seems fine:

> [...]
> stat("/usr/bin/xinit", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=15408, ...}) = 0
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [INT CHLD], [], 8) = 0
> lseek(255, -217, SEEK_CUR)  = 4276
> clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD,
> child_tidptr=0x7fa98151d7c0) = 7650
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], [], 8) = 0
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD], [], 8) = 0
> rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x435840, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fa98075f350},
> {0x4467e0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x7fa98075f350}, 8) = 0
> wait4(-1,
>
> X.Org X Server 1.6.1
> Release Date: 2009-4-14
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> [...]


Anyone having an idea what could be wrong??

Thanx!!

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[ludovic coues]

I'm using netcfg too, with through the autowifi daemon (
wiki.archlinux.org/Autowifi )
But I'm using too some netcfg-proof network (worst than terrible wifi), and
for this, I'm using archassistant.

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Andrei Thorp]

I still just use netcfg for wifi.

-AT

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Dominic Kexel]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 10:47:02 +0200
Manne Merak  wrote:

> So, I am new here, just installed ArchLinux on my work laptop.  Had some 
> issues with getting X and KDE4 up, but all fine now.
> KDE4 is different, I can see why some people dislike it - still needs 
> that polished feeling that 3.5 had, but hey that will come with time.
> My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.  
> KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager 
> (well a finished one) at the moment.
> 
> So my question, what does the ArchLinux KDE community use for Bluetooth 
> and Wifi management.
> (I can fiddle round with bluez and wpa_supplicant config files, but 
> would rather use some higher level config util)
> 
> Manne
> ps. I come from the OpenSUSE world, so excuse my desire for management 
> tools.

I recommend wicd for Wifi management. You should give it a try 
(http://wicd.sourceforge.net/)

-- 
Dominic Kexel 

Re: [arch-general] libarchive - bsdtar producing weird archives?

[Jan de Groot]

On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:55 +0200, Michael Towers wrote:
> The result of a makepkg run produced what looked like a totally
> garbled package, when viewed in mc's virtual file system. That led me
> to investigate a bit, so I tried packing up a few directories with
> bsdtar and sometimes got similarly garbled results. However, unpacking
> worked completely normally, as also did viewing the archives in
> xarchiver or squeeze. If I use tar instead of bsdtar to do the
> packing, they appear normally in mc.
> 
> Does anyone know what's going on here? Is it mc that is getting
> something wrong, or bsdtar?

bsdtar adds some extended attributes to tar files. I think mc can't
handle such things.

Re: [arch-general] libarchive - bsdtar producing weird archives?

[Allan McRae]

Michael Towers wrote:

The result of a makepkg run produced what looked like a totally
garbled package, when viewed in mc's virtual file system. That led me
to investigate a bit, so I tried packing up a few directories with
bsdtar and sometimes got similarly garbled results. However, unpacking
worked completely normally, as also did viewing the archives in
xarchiver or squeeze. If I use tar instead of bsdtar to do the
packing, they appear normally in mc.

Does anyone know what's going on here? Is it mc that is getting
something wrong, or bsdtar?
  


I'd be attributing this to mc given you can extract the files fine and 
other packages veiw the archive fine.


Allan

[arch-general] libarchive - bsdtar producing weird archives?

[Michael Towers]

The result of a makepkg run produced what looked like a totally
garbled package, when viewed in mc's virtual file system. That led me
to investigate a bit, so I tried packing up a few directories with
bsdtar and sometimes got similarly garbled results. However, unpacking
worked completely normally, as also did viewing the archives in
xarchiver or squeeze. If I use tar instead of bsdtar to do the
packing, they appear normally in mc.

Does anyone know what's going on here? Is it mc that is getting
something wrong, or bsdtar?

Re: [arch-general] network-plasmoid-svn on extra? (WAS: KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi)

[Manne Merak]

Andrea Scarpino wrote:

On 27/05/2009, Thomas Bächler  wrote:
  

How about adding this to extra? It seems NM is very popular, and until
it is part of kdenetwork we should not force a high percentage of our
users to build it from AUR.



we could, I was waiting a stable version. what others DEV think about this?

  
Just built from AUR on clean and updated Arch install.  Its not 
working.  Wired and wireless connections are seen, but only wired 
connections are made.  When trying to connect to open/WPA wireless 
connections it just sits there doing nothing - cant see any activity in 
the system log (NM activity). 
Also it doesnt handle creating a wallet in kwallet when no prior wallet 
is already there - this might be a kwallet issue - will have to research 
some more.


Manne

[arch-general] network-plasmoid-svn on extra? (WAS: KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi)

[Andrea Scarpino]

On 27/05/2009, Thomas Bächler  wrote:
> How about adding this to extra? It seems NM is very popular, and until
> it is part of kdenetwork we should not force a high percentage of our
> users to build it from AUR.

we could, I was waiting a stable version. what others DEV think about this?

-- 
Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Thomas Bächler]

Andrea Scarpino schrieb:

unluckily kbluetooth does not work with kde 4.2, still I have not a
solution for this (gcarrier should works on this...). But I have a
good news: I am using kde 4.3beta1 here and kbluetooth works for file
transfer pc-phone and viceversa (which does not work on kde 4.2) but I
cannot try others bluetooth devices.

you can use networkmanager-plasmoid-svn from AUR to manage your networks.


How about adding this to extra? It seems NM is very popular, and until 
it is part of kdenetwork we should not force a high percentage of our 
users to build it from AUR.




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Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Manne Merak]

Andrea Scarpino wrote:

On 27/05/2009, Manne Merak  wrote:
  

My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.
KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager
(well a finished one) at the moment.


unluckily kbluetooth does not work with kde 4.2, still I have not a
solution for this (gcarrier should works on this...). But I have a
good news: I am using kde 4.3beta1 here and kbluetooth works for file
transfer pc-phone and viceversa (which does not work on kde 4.2) but I
cannot try others bluetooth devices.

you can use networkmanager-plasmoid-svn from AUR to manage your networks.

Regards

  
Thanks, yes I am on latest KDE4.3beta and bluetooth works, was issue 
with bluetooth module not surviving suspend to RAM.
I have heard about networmanager-plasmoid - will have to figure out how 
AUR works.


Thanks for the help
Manne

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Andrea Scarpino]

On 27/05/2009, Manne Merak  wrote:
> My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.
> KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager
> (well a finished one) at the moment.
unluckily kbluetooth does not work with kde 4.2, still I have not a
solution for this (gcarrier should works on this...). But I have a
good news: I am using kde 4.3beta1 here and kbluetooth works for file
transfer pc-phone and viceversa (which does not work on kde 4.2) but I
cannot try others bluetooth devices.

you can use networkmanager-plasmoid-svn from AUR to manage your networks.

Regards

-- 
Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino
Arch Linux Developer

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Manne Merak]

Thomas Bächler wrote:

Manne Merak schrieb:
So, I am new here, just installed ArchLinux on my work laptop.  Had 
some issues with getting X and KDE4 up, but all fine now.
KDE4 is different, I can see why some people dislike it - still needs 
that polished feeling that 3.5 had, but hey that will come with time.
My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.  
KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager 
(well a finished one) at the moment.


So my question, what does the ArchLinux KDE community use for 
Bluetooth and Wifi management.
(I can fiddle round with bluez and wpa_supplicant config files, but 
would rather use some higher level config util)


Manne
ps. I come from the OpenSUSE world, so excuse my desire for 
management tools.


From my experience, kbluetooth4 is rather useless (many bugs, no 
features, virtually no active development). I've been using blueman 
recently, which does all I need. My mouse works great with bluez and 
automatically connects (all I had to do is set it to "trusted" in the 
blueman device manager).
I sometimes have the problem that the mouse stops working, but then I 
simply switch it off, wait for a while and switch it on again, but 
this hasn't happened in a while now.


About networkmanager, I always disliked it very much and don't know 
what KDE users do about it nowadays.




Using blueman I found that the bluetooth module was not responding as it 
should (kbluetoothd just started with no error, and kbluetooth tools 
just gave dbus errors!).
So it seems that the bluetooth modules does not survive a 
suspend-to-RAM, will have to place bluetooth and btusb modules in reload 
list for suspend.
So has development on Kbluetooth stopped? I cant find any clarity on 
this on the KDE-apps page.


Manne

Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Thomas Bächler]

Manne Merak schrieb:
So, I am new here, just installed ArchLinux on my work laptop.  Had some 
issues with getting X and KDE4 up, but all fine now.
KDE4 is different, I can see why some people dislike it - still needs 
that polished feeling that 3.5 had, but hey that will come with time.
My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.  
KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager 
(well a finished one) at the moment.


So my question, what does the ArchLinux KDE community use for Bluetooth 
and Wifi management.
(I can fiddle round with bluez and wpa_supplicant config files, but 
would rather use some higher level config util)


Manne
ps. I come from the OpenSUSE world, so excuse my desire for management 
tools.


From my experience, kbluetooth4 is rather useless (many bugs, no 
features, virtually no active development). I've been using blueman 
recently, which does all I need. My mouse works great with bluez and 
automatically connects (all I had to do is set it to "trusted" in the 
blueman device manager).
I sometimes have the problem that the mouse stops working, but then I 
simply switch it off, wait for a while and switch it on again, but this 
hasn't happened in a while now.


About networkmanager, I always disliked it very much and don't know what 
KDE users do about it nowadays.




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[arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi

[Manne Merak]

So, I am new here, just installed ArchLinux on my work laptop.  Had some 
issues with getting X and KDE4 up, but all fine now.
KDE4 is different, I can see why some people dislike it - still needs 
that polished feeling that 3.5 had, but hey that will come with time.
My biggest concern at the moment is Bluetooth mouse and Wifi.  
KBluetooth looses my mouse, randomly, and there is no KNetworkManager 
(well a finished one) at the moment.


So my question, what does the ArchLinux KDE community use for Bluetooth 
and Wifi management.
(I can fiddle round with bluez and wpa_supplicant config files, but 
would rather use some higher level config util)


Manne
ps. I come from the OpenSUSE world, so excuse my desire for management 
tools.