Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch on Hannsnote

2009-11-07 Thread Xavier
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Dario carotin...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Having tried Puppy Linux before with success, I knew that things should have
 worked. Now, I installed Kubuntu Netbook edition and everything works out of
 the box. Unfortunately it won't last long on my laptop, its interface is
 scarying:)

 I'd really like to archify my netbook. It came with XP preinstalled, but I
 cannot use it without a Linux operating system, for practical and also
 psychological reasons (no, not ideological:) ).

 If someone had a similar experience to share, I'd be happy:)


If your goal was to install a Linux operating system, you reached it twice.

If it is to install Arch, you should check which version of your
wireless and graphical drivers Puppy and Ubuntu are using, and
eventual patches.


Re: [arch-general] gcc -m64

2009-11-07 Thread Xavier
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com wrote:
 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

    Hello all!

    I have ArchLinux i686 version, but I'm trying to compile an x86_64
 kernel... And you've guessed... Not supported by the ArchLinux stock
 gcc / binutils...

    I've done the raining dance, by trying to compile my own gcc /
 binutils, but it didn't rain (I mean it didn't work)... Any
 pointers?

    Thanks,
    Ciprian.

    P.S.: Is there any good reason for which there isn't even a
 separate package of gcc that is able to do this? (I've read the bug
 from one year ago, but no good reason was specified...)
    P.P.S.: I'm missing Debian...



 Arch users generally prefer a clean 32bit/64bit chroot to a dirty system
 and have therefore developed tools to make chroot creation really
 convenient. You should try it too - get the devtools and try mkarchroot.

 -- Sven-Hendrik

    About the reason I've read it and somehow understood it. Also
 mkarchroot is quite nice (in fact the reason I'm struggling with
 kernel compilation is for a Vserver deployment)...

    But back to the problem at hand: I cannot use a chrooted Linux,
 because in order to use x86_64 packages I need a x86_64 enabled kernel
 on my laptop (which I don't). So actually I need to cross-compile the
 kernel.

    Now I've seen that in the default repository we have gcc for
 crosscompiling for arm. Why not one for x86_64?

    Anyway thanks for the pointer of mkarchroot! (It would help me in
 deployment of virtual servers.)

    Ciprian.


Why do you want to build the kernel ? Arch already provides it ! All
packages are provided in both i686 and x86_64

http://allanmcrae.com/2009/06/using-an-x86_64-kernel-on-an-i686-userland/


Re: [arch-general] Problem with hard disk - not arch related

2009-11-07 Thread Rogutės Sparnuotos
Dario (2009-11-07 01:52):
 ciao!
 
 In data sabato 07 novembre 2009 00:23:13, Rogutės Sparnuotos ha scritto:
  There's no clever advice I could give you, but I vaguely remember having
  similar problems and similar logs some time ago (perhaps when kernel
  2.6.29 became stable). The block device of my drive used to become
  but the mounted filesystem continued to work, IIRC.
 
 Indeed the filesystems is left intact, which at least is a good thing:)

Is KMail unable to quote mails or did you drop inaccessible,  from the quote
above (after used to become)?

  Are you running Linux kernel 2.6.31?
 
 Yes, I am. Previously I pointed out the video card because the first time I 
 met this problem, I was doing dirty things with CUDA under Ubuntu 9.04, and 
 rebooting brought everything back in order. Could this be a sign of a 
 relationship between the closed source Nvidia drivers and the wild controller?

I had a 13 year old Matrox PCI graphics card inside when the problem was
happening. And at that time I _think_ I had 2 SATA and 1 IDE drives
connected to the JMicron controller. Now the 2 SATA drives are connected
to Intel ICH9 Southbridge, and the IDE drive to JMicron (the motherboard
is Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3).

-- 
--  Rogutės Sparnuotos


Re: [arch-general] gcc -m64

2009-11-07 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
 ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com 
 wrote:
 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

    Hello all!

    I have ArchLinux i686 version, but I'm trying to compile an x86_64
 kernel... And you've guessed... Not supported by the ArchLinux stock
 gcc / binutils...

    I've done the raining dance, by trying to compile my own gcc /
 binutils, but it didn't rain (I mean it didn't work)... Any
 pointers?

    Thanks,
    Ciprian.

    P.S.: Is there any good reason for which there isn't even a
 separate package of gcc that is able to do this? (I've read the bug
 from one year ago, but no good reason was specified...)
    P.P.S.: I'm missing Debian...



 Arch users generally prefer a clean 32bit/64bit chroot to a dirty system
 and have therefore developed tools to make chroot creation really
 convenient. You should try it too - get the devtools and try mkarchroot.

 -- Sven-Hendrik

    About the reason I've read it and somehow understood it. Also
 mkarchroot is quite nice (in fact the reason I'm struggling with
 kernel compilation is for a Vserver deployment)...

    But back to the problem at hand: I cannot use a chrooted Linux,
 because in order to use x86_64 packages I need a x86_64 enabled kernel
 on my laptop (which I don't). So actually I need to cross-compile the
 kernel.

    Now I've seen that in the default repository we have gcc for
 crosscompiling for arm. Why not one for x86_64?

    Anyway thanks for the pointer of mkarchroot! (It would help me in
 deployment of virtual servers.)

    Ciprian.


 Why do you want to build the kernel ? Arch already provides it ! All
 packages are provided in both i686 and x86_64

 http://allanmcrae.com/2009/06/using-an-x86_64-kernel-on-an-i686-userland/

Good question. Well the reasons could be multiple:

* first of all the real reason is that I want to compile an x86_64
kernel for one of my servers that I want to use as VServer hosting
target; but my laptop has ArchLinux i386, and I don't want to either
install x86_64 ArchLinux on my laptop, or on the server itself just to
be able to compile the kernel;

* second cross-compiling is one of the basic operations one should
be able to do in an development environment;

* third I believe that the real power of OSS / FOS (and therefore
also Linux based distributions), is that it allows you the flexibility
to customize things to match your liking; furthermore I've switched
from Debian (which also provided everything I needed and even more),
to ArchLinux (which provides almost everything I need), because I've
seen ArchLinux as a more suitable target for experimenting with Linux;
(I hope I'm not wrong!)

By the way: I'me preparing three custom packages:
cross-x86_64-gcc-base, cross-x86_64-binutils, and cross-x86_64-glibc.
Anyone interested in them? Any ideeas if someone has already done
this?

Ciprian.


Re: [arch-general] gcc -m64

2009-11-07 Thread Allan McRae

Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com wrote:

Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

   Hello all!

   I have ArchLinux i686 version, but I'm trying to compile an x86_64
kernel... And you've guessed... Not supported by the ArchLinux stock
gcc / binutils...

   I've done the raining dance, by trying to compile my own gcc /
binutils, but it didn't rain (I mean it didn't work)... Any
pointers?

   Thanks,
   Ciprian.

   P.S.: Is there any good reason for which there isn't even a
separate package of gcc that is able to do this? (I've read the bug
from one year ago, but no good reason was specified...)
   P.P.S.: I'm missing Debian...



Arch users generally prefer a clean 32bit/64bit chroot to a dirty system
and have therefore developed tools to make chroot creation really
convenient. You should try it too - get the devtools and try mkarchroot.

-- Sven-Hendrik

   About the reason I've read it and somehow understood it. Also
mkarchroot is quite nice (in fact the reason I'm struggling with
kernel compilation is for a Vserver deployment)...

   But back to the problem at hand: I cannot use a chrooted Linux,
because in order to use x86_64 packages I need a x86_64 enabled kernel
on my laptop (which I don't). So actually I need to cross-compile the
kernel.

   Now I've seen that in the default repository we have gcc for
crosscompiling for arm. Why not one for x86_64?

   Anyway thanks for the pointer of mkarchroot! (It would help me in
deployment of virtual servers.)

   Ciprian.


Why do you want to build the kernel ? Arch already provides it ! All
packages are provided in both i686 and x86_64

http://allanmcrae.com/2009/06/using-an-x86_64-kernel-on-an-i686-userland/


Good question. Well the reasons could be multiple:

* first of all the real reason is that I want to compile an x86_64
kernel for one of my servers that I want to use as VServer hosting
target; but my laptop has ArchLinux i386, and I don't want to either
install x86_64 ArchLinux on my laptop, or on the server itself just to
be able to compile the kernel;

* second cross-compiling is one of the basic operations one should
be able to do in an development environment;

* third I believe that the real power of OSS / FOS (and therefore
also Linux based distributions), is that it allows you the flexibility
to customize things to match your liking; furthermore I've switched
from Debian (which also provided everything I needed and even more),
to ArchLinux (which provides almost everything I need), because I've
seen ArchLinux as a more suitable target for experimenting with Linux;
(I hope I'm not wrong!)

By the way: I'me preparing three custom packages:
cross-x86_64-gcc-base, cross-x86_64-binutils, and cross-x86_64-glibc.
Anyone interested in them? Any ideeas if someone has already done
this?


FYI, I thought packages that dod that were already in the AUR.

Allan



Re: [arch-general] gcc -m64

2009-11-07 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote:
 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
 ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com
 wrote:

 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

   Hello all!

   I have ArchLinux i686 version, but I'm trying to compile an x86_64
 kernel... And you've guessed... Not supported by the ArchLinux stock
 gcc / binutils...

   I've done the raining dance, by trying to compile my own gcc /
 binutils, but it didn't rain (I mean it didn't work)... Any
 pointers?

   Thanks,
   Ciprian.

   P.S.: Is there any good reason for which there isn't even a
 separate package of gcc that is able to do this? (I've read the bug
 from one year ago, but no good reason was specified...)
   P.P.S.: I'm missing Debian...


 Arch users generally prefer a clean 32bit/64bit chroot to a dirty
 system
 and have therefore developed tools to make chroot creation really
 convenient. You should try it too - get the devtools and try
 mkarchroot.

 -- Sven-Hendrik

   About the reason I've read it and somehow understood it. Also
 mkarchroot is quite nice (in fact the reason I'm struggling with
 kernel compilation is for a Vserver deployment)...

   But back to the problem at hand: I cannot use a chrooted Linux,
 because in order to use x86_64 packages I need a x86_64 enabled kernel
 on my laptop (which I don't). So actually I need to cross-compile the
 kernel.

   Now I've seen that in the default repository we have gcc for
 crosscompiling for arm. Why not one for x86_64?

   Anyway thanks for the pointer of mkarchroot! (It would help me in
 deployment of virtual servers.)

   Ciprian.

 Why do you want to build the kernel ? Arch already provides it ! All
 packages are provided in both i686 and x86_64

 http://allanmcrae.com/2009/06/using-an-x86_64-kernel-on-an-i686-userland/

    Good question. Well the reasons could be multiple:

    * first of all the real reason is that I want to compile an x86_64
 kernel for one of my servers that I want to use as VServer hosting
 target; but my laptop has ArchLinux i386, and I don't want to either
 install x86_64 ArchLinux on my laptop, or on the server itself just to
 be able to compile the kernel;

    * second cross-compiling is one of the basic operations one should
 be able to do in an development environment;

    * third I believe that the real power of OSS / FOS (and therefore
 also Linux based distributions), is that it allows you the flexibility
 to customize things to match your liking; furthermore I've switched
 from Debian (which also provided everything I needed and even more),
 to ArchLinux (which provides almost everything I need), because I've
 seen ArchLinux as a more suitable target for experimenting with Linux;
 (I hope I'm not wrong!)

    By the way: I'me preparing three custom packages:
 cross-x86_64-gcc-base, cross-x86_64-binutils, and cross-x86_64-glibc.
 Anyone interested in them? Any ideeas if someone has already done
 this?

 FYI, I thought packages that dod that were already in the AUR.

 Allan

I haven't found one... I've already searched the AUR for gcc and
the only entries that resemble what I need are:
* http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28545 (gcc-multilib);
* http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=31547 (cross32-gcc);
But both of them are for crosscompiling an i686 from a x86_64,
while I need the reverse.

Could you please give me the exact URL from those packages?

Thanks,
Ciprian.


Re: [arch-general] Installing Arch on Hannsnote

2009-11-07 Thread Dario
ciao!

In data sabato 07 novembre 2009 10:13:53, Xavier ha scritto:
 If your goal was to install a Linux operating system, you reached it twice.

Well, sure I did:)

 If it is to install Arch, you should check which version of your
 wireless and graphical drivers Puppy and Ubuntu are using, and
 eventual patches.

Yes, you're right, I'll discover what is ubuntu doing and try to replicate it 
in arch.

ciao!

Carotinho
Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! 
 http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com 


Re: [arch-general] gcc -m64

2009-11-07 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote:
 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
 ciprian.crac...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com
 wrote:

 Ciprian Dorin, Craciun wrote:

   Hello all!

   I have ArchLinux i686 version, but I'm trying to compile an x86_64
 kernel... And you've guessed... Not supported by the ArchLinux stock
 gcc / binutils...

   I've done the raining dance, by trying to compile my own gcc /
 binutils, but it didn't rain (I mean it didn't work)... Any
 pointers?

   Thanks,
   Ciprian.

   P.S.: Is there any good reason for which there isn't even a
 separate package of gcc that is able to do this? (I've read the bug
 from one year ago, but no good reason was specified...)
   P.P.S.: I'm missing Debian...


 Arch users generally prefer a clean 32bit/64bit chroot to a dirty
 system
 and have therefore developed tools to make chroot creation really
 convenient. You should try it too - get the devtools and try
 mkarchroot.

 -- Sven-Hendrik

   About the reason I've read it and somehow understood it. Also
 mkarchroot is quite nice (in fact the reason I'm struggling with
 kernel compilation is for a Vserver deployment)...

   But back to the problem at hand: I cannot use a chrooted Linux,
 because in order to use x86_64 packages I need a x86_64 enabled kernel
 on my laptop (which I don't). So actually I need to cross-compile the
 kernel.

   Now I've seen that in the default repository we have gcc for
 crosscompiling for arm. Why not one for x86_64?

   Anyway thanks for the pointer of mkarchroot! (It would help me in
 deployment of virtual servers.)

   Ciprian.

 Why do you want to build the kernel ? Arch already provides it ! All
 packages are provided in both i686 and x86_64

 http://allanmcrae.com/2009/06/using-an-x86_64-kernel-on-an-i686-userland/

    Good question. Well the reasons could be multiple:

    * first of all the real reason is that I want to compile an x86_64
 kernel for one of my servers that I want to use as VServer hosting
 target; but my laptop has ArchLinux i386, and I don't want to either
 install x86_64 ArchLinux on my laptop, or on the server itself just to
 be able to compile the kernel;

    * second cross-compiling is one of the basic operations one should
 be able to do in an development environment;

    * third I believe that the real power of OSS / FOS (and therefore
 also Linux based distributions), is that it allows you the flexibility
 to customize things to match your liking; furthermore I've switched
 from Debian (which also provided everything I needed and even more),
 to ArchLinux (which provides almost everything I need), because I've
 seen ArchLinux as a more suitable target for experimenting with Linux;
 (I hope I'm not wrong!)

    By the way: I'me preparing three custom packages:
 cross-x86_64-gcc-base, cross-x86_64-binutils, and cross-x86_64-glibc.
 Anyone interested in them? Any ideeas if someone has already done
 this?

 FYI, I thought packages that dod that were already in the AUR.

 Allan

    I haven't found one... I've already searched the AUR for gcc and
 the only entries that resemble what I need are:
    * http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28545 (gcc-multilib);
    * http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=31547 (cross32-gcc);
    But both of them are for crosscompiling an i686 from a x86_64,
 while I need the reverse.

    Could you please give me the exact URL from those packages?

    Thanks,
    Ciprian.

The saga is over!!!

Binaries available at http://www.kernel.org/pub/tools/crosstool/

I've created a small package that installs that. See bellow.

Ciprian.



_build=gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6
pkgname=cross-x86_64-${_build}
pkgver=${_build//-/_}
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc=Cross-compiler binaries
arch=('i686')
license=('GPL')
url=http://www.kernel.org/pub/tools/crosstool;
groups=()
depends=()
makedepends=()
options=(!'strip' !'libtool' !'emptydirs' !'docs')
source=(http://www.kernel.org/pub/tools/crosstool/files/bin/i386/x86_64-${_build}.tar.gz;)
md5sums=('1093a4fae1fc14f53b82633b6f92b033')

build () {

  mkdir ${pkgdir}/opt
  cp -RaTv ${srcdir}/${_build}/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
${pkgdir}/opt/${pkgname}

}




[arch-general] looking for MUA alternative to KMail

2009-11-07 Thread Philipp Gesang
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Re: [arch-general] looking for MUA alternative to KMail

2009-11-07 Thread Leandro Costa
thunderbird ?

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Re: [arch-general] looking for MUA alternative to KMail

2009-11-07 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am Samstag 07 November 2009 schrieb Leandro Costa:
 thunderbird ?
 
 On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Philipp Gesang 
 
 c8f304e0084803907126b5c37fa...@gmail.com wrote:
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Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.

2009-11-07 Thread gnuisancev3
go away

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:17 AM, RedShift redsh...@pandora.be wrote:
 Allan McRae wrote:

 RedShift wrote:

 This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to
 post my
 story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not
 the
 technical details behind it. Keep that in mind.

 So you posted in both the forums and here...

 Seriously, get a blog.



 Yes I did, because I feel the more technical people roam the mailinglists
 and the more casual user the forums. I want to hear all the sides.


 Glenn



[arch-general] [signoff] mdadm-3.0.3-1

2009-11-07 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Hi
downgrade in testing repository due to potential dataloss problems:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-raidm=125748985908870w=2

Changelog:
http://neil.brown.name/git?p=mdadm;a=blob_plain;f=ANNOUNCE-3.0;hb=7f0066ba713a8f3ddf093c038e009fde74d673a5

Please update and recreate your initcpio after upgrading.

One thing i observed, when using a custom /etc/mdadm.conf file our rc.sysinit 
will run mdadm --assemble --scan, which will always give exit code 2, due to 
devices busy.

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[arch-general] programmable API for flyspray?

2009-11-07 Thread Chris Brannon
Is there any way to access bugs.archlinux.org programmatically?  I'd love
to be able to manipulate it from the shell.

TIA,
-- Chris


[arch-general] kde3 sources available anymore missing garbage collector

2009-11-07 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys,

I don't know if the kde3 sources still live on a server some where, but I 
would be interested in finding them. I still have all the PKGBUILD files for 
the kde3 install, but I need a few sources. kpdf for starters, and there are a 
couple more.

Also, I successfully built quanta from AUR -- works fine, but I was unable to 
build pdftk due to missing dependencies:

gcc-gcj package not found, searching for group...
error: 'gcc-gcj': not found in sync db
== ERROR: Pacman failed to install missing dependencies.

I think that is some type of garbage collector. Anybody know where I can find 
it? I have a couple of scripts that use pdftk so it is somewhat of a pressing 
matter.

Other than the sound I'm still working on (haven't had time to mess with it), 
the install is done. (Arch+e16+e17+openbox+kde4+full LAMP+GNU development 
pkgs+full Office setup).

This was my sixth arch install since April. In the same time period I have 
done one suse install (for my youngest daughter). Arch is such a damn good 
distro it is a grand testament to some very smart thinking about how best to 
put together and -- more importantly -- maintain a Linux distribution. The 
folks on the suse list just can't explain why, with the abundant resources of 
Novell in their pocket, little 'ole Arch is always 1-2 major versions of just 
about everything ahead of them. (gotta love it!)

I -- can tell you why. Arch nailed it with the rolling release approach. That 
is the right way to do a distro. Even if on occasion packages need to say in 
testing for 30-90 days to accomodate a major kernel change/whatever, it still 
beats the hell out of trying to maintain 3 separate versions of a an 
opensource distribution, built for 3 different kernels, and the complete set 
of some 4000 packages per distro version that need to be maintained. The 
resources required to try and do that are staggering. (I needle them that 
going to a rolling release would tripple their net revenues overnight just due 
to cost savings alone ;-)

I'll try and cobble together my install notes after I'm done and update the 
wiki in any of the areas I faced challenges. (I'm a bit tight on time at 
present) Thanks you all for all the help needed in the areas where I got hund 
up. Cheers!



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