Re: [arch-general] A question about Arch Sixty Four
On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 17:05 +0200, Nicky726 wrote: I have experimentally found out, that 64 bit Linux distro uses like 40 -- 80 % more of RAM than 32 bit. Now it seemed to be both aplication and distro dependant, with Arch being on the better side. Though I've got to say again, it was not a benchmark, just my personal experiment. As for me, if I had a machine with plenty RAM (that is from my perspective ~GB), than I would choose 64 bit. If I had like 1 -- 2 GB, than I would definitely go 32 bit. Hope I did understand your question right. Depending on the software you run, programs can take more memory due to larger integers and pointer sizes. If memory usage is a problem, go for a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland. Memory allocation above 896MB is much more efficient on 64bit kernels because you don't have to use the highmem method to access that.
Re: [arch-general] Running Mozilla Prism?
On 05/25/10 at 08:58am, Magnus Therning wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 22:33, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) ghost1...@archlinux.us wrote: On 05/24/10 at 08:58pm, Magnus Therning wrote: Has anyone managed to get Mozilla Prism to run properly? The behaviour I see is that a .desktop file and a file in ~/.webapps are created. Both look all right to my untrained eye. The behaviour when double-clicking the .desktop file is as expected though. I never end up where s/is as expected/is not as expected/ I intended, but always at the default startpage (http://www.google.com/firefox). You can find a screenshot of what I got after creating a webapp for youtube (URL http://www.youtube.com/) and ran it for the first time here[1]. Has anyone had any success with it? Works fine for me... been using it since it was first released. How strange. I run the following: Arch, 64 bit, Gnome, FF 3.6.3 Does that match your setup at all? /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe 32bit --
[arch-general] Building packages and more
Hi all. I've been looking into several packages that are not in the community repository of Arch Linux. One is the Anope latest-stable package. If any of you have ran an IRC server such as UnrealIRCd, wich is in arch, then you will know what Anope is. I don't have the time at present to package Anope myself, and was intending to look at the old ANope 1.9 devel build, but that package is out of date. What if looking at that PKGBuild isn't enough and the Anope 1.8 package breaks? I've compiled Anope millions of times before on Arch, and other distros without problems. But the ./Configure script requires that questions are answered with either Y's or N's in specific places at least I think, it's been some time sinse I've ran an IRC network on Linux with the Anope services package. I wonder who the author of the UnrealIRCd package presently Is? Another package that I wonder if anyone would be interested in seeing if it is possible for inclusion (again) because I just don't have the time to do anything with it personally, is the Citadle mail server from: http://www.citadel.org/ I have found that server extremely simpol to install for those who aren't used to say Postfix, and the webserver even has an intigration with that, so that say Squirlmail isn't required. What do you folks think? I'd like to see the Anope stable/Citadle packages someday included in Arch. If I had the time I'd try to build those myself. But due to circumstances I lack the time necessary to maintaine such packages. Does anyone have any useful feedback? I've already read the wiki so this isn't an issue of hasn't read documentation This is an issue of not having time to maintain, so why would I wish to start doing something for the Arch community and not have time to continue once began anyhow? I love the Arch community, and although I myself am no C programmer, I still wish to help out by making useful package suggestions and such.If anyone has any great feedback on this posting please let me know, or do so off list! You can find me on irc.freenode.net #ArchLinux as Keith-BlindUser. Thanks again! Regards, --Keith Skype: skypedude1234 MSN Messenger: keithin...@hotmail.com Yahoo messenger /AIM: keithint1234
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
Hi Madhurya Kakati, You can install the package community/deb2targz 1-2. Then you can convert any deb package. 2010/5/25 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL+8yLAAoJEFsDLiKSAHN6XFQH/2P3RZPQeNTkeGqMOADfUSiG jqvUJ058BO2eJsy6BlQ0Xkge8Vh/wDn0N/4ofBUT1SAtN3+GX0wMDX0/8JgoGpf3 AHwcd5wAJ7PQ/ojlY/1vXPtM6nn0qAHamt0PB/bUdEaILg9xDS0ydmKCgexrxkUz MH5BJosttxvS62E2RaCyD7aF1J6ZKrALJl/w8/xmuQzg1lB0YLd7euteyJWlsPuB EX3Tv/AhGBp04uaO2M8mgoCYVaH867DJXsSnLDpO2mKa19zGZWII1K+nBgq++tea xw1iGAwxl9xKXZ9T4tYpIahz7TPwcu2JwL7zbia8Tar30ELF0AFy/iFJ7plr7Y4= =FTLl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rafael Beraldo http://cabaladada.org
[arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
Hi, I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? Both are amd 64 bit cpu's, the old one one of the first athlon 64's, the new one a Phenom II X6 1035T (and my current arch linux install is 64bit) Of course stuff like chipset, network chip, video etc. are all different. For video that would be no problem, I could install other (current = nvidia, new pc = ati) drivers from the text console. However, I'd like basic stuff and network to work :-) Could anyone give me an idea about the chance of luck for such an operation? Tips, hints? Or would you just advise a clean install and install and reconfigure all software again? Regards, Vincent Schut.
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL+8yLAAoJEFsDLiKSAHN6XFQH/2P3RZPQeNTkeGqMOADfUSiG jqvUJ058BO2eJsy6BlQ0Xkge8Vh/wDn0N/4ofBUT1SAtN3+GX0wMDX0/8JgoGpf3 AHwcd5wAJ7PQ/ojlY/1vXPtM6nn0qAHamt0PB/bUdEaILg9xDS0ydmKCgexrxkUz MH5BJosttxvS62E2RaCyD7aF1J6ZKrALJl/w8/xmuQzg1lB0YLd7euteyJWlsPuB EX3Tv/AhGBp04uaO2M8mgoCYVaH867DJXsSnLDpO2mKa19zGZWII1K+nBgq++tea xw1iGAwxl9xKXZ9T4tYpIahz7TPwcu2JwL7zbia8Tar30ELF0AFy/iFJ7plr7Y4= =FTLl -END PGP SIGNATURE- What is the error ? You're asking a medicine without teling the problem ! -- Nilesh Govindarajan Facebook: nilesh.gr Twitter: nileshgr Website: www.itech7.com
Re: [arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:46 +0200, Vincent Schut wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? Both are amd 64 bit cpu's, the old one one of the first athlon 64's, the new one a Phenom II X6 1035T (and my current arch linux install is 64bit) Of course stuff like chipset, network chip, video etc. are all different. For video that would be no problem, I could install other (current = nvidia, new pc = ati) drivers from the text console. However, I'd like basic stuff and network to work :-) Could anyone give me an idea about the chance of luck for such an operation? Tips, hints? Or would you just advise a clean install and install and reconfigure all software again? Linux is not Windows, so you'll get away with it. You could put the harddisk in your new system and boot the new system with the fallback kernel option which includes an initramfs image with all drivers. You'll probably have to reconfigure X then. After booting the fallback kernel, it's advised to regenerate your initramfs images using mkinitcpio, or by just reinstalling kernel26. My Archlinux installation survived multiple mainboards and harddisks, it's years old by now.
Re: [arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 15:46 +0200, Vincent Schut wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? Both are amd 64 bit cpu's, the old one one of the first athlon 64's, the new one a Phenom II X6 1035T (and my current arch linux install is 64bit) Of course stuff like chipset, network chip, video etc. are all different. For video that would be no problem, I could install other (current = nvidia, new pc = ati) drivers from the text console. However, I'd like basic stuff and network to work :-) Could anyone give me an idea about the chance of luck for such an operation? Tips, hints? Or would you just advise a clean install and install and reconfigure all software again? Linux is not Windows, so you'll get away with it. You could put the harddisk in your new system and boot the new system with the fallback kernel option which includes an initramfs image with all drivers. You'll probably have to reconfigure X then. After booting the fallback kernel, it's advised to regenerate your initramfs images using mkinitcpio, or by just reinstalling kernel26. My Archlinux installation survived multiple mainboards and harddisks, it's years old by now. +1 Linux Kernel determines which drivers to use at boot. Unlike Windows which uses just the specified driver. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Facebook: nilesh.gr Twitter: nileshgr Website: www.itech7.com
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
On 05/25/2010 04:51 PM, Rafael Beraldo wrote: Hi Madhurya Kakati, You can install the package community/deb2targz 1-2. Then you can convert any deb package. 2010/5/25 Madhurya Kakatimkakati2...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks that is not the actual problem. the problem is that adobe-air is 32 bit only and you'll need a lot of lib32 stuff just to run the apps. If you really want to use it, i suggest to use a i686 chroot and install adobe-air from aur -- Ionut
Re: [arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
El 25/05/10 15:46, Vincent Schut escribió: Hi, I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? Both are amd 64 bit cpu's, the old one one of the first athlon 64's, the new one a Phenom II X6 1035T (and my current arch linux install is 64bit) Of course stuff like chipset, network chip, video etc. are all different. For video that would be no problem, I could install other (current = nvidia, new pc = ati) drivers from the text console. However, I'd like basic stuff and network to work :-) Could anyone give me an idea about the chance of luck for such an operation? Tips, hints? Or would you just advise a clean install and install and reconfigure all software again? Regards, Vincent Schut. Yes you can. Connect the hd but boot with a livecd (like Archiso), then mount proc, sys and dev and make a chroot on your partition (for example into /mnt/hd), something like this: mkdir /mnt/hd cd /mnt/hd mount -t proc proc proc/ mount -t sysfs sys sys/ mount -o bind /dev dev/ chroot /mnt/hd Then reinstall kernel26 package or regenerate mkinitcpio image ;) Make sure in /etc/rc.conf have the correct modules and in /etc/fstab all entries are correct. Regards $(Figue)
Re: [arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? When I broke my X60s LCD I took out hte hdd and put it in a USB-HDD box and booted it on a Asus EEEpc. Worked just fine. Some notes about what's needed: - an initramfs with usb (ehci, uhci) and usb-storage drivers - grub2 and fstab setup to look for filesystems by UUID - the Lan and Wifi would get new interface names (because of udev persistent naming) - it doesn't matter if you use NM or wicd - I didn't have a xorg config file, so X did find everything automatically (you'd need to have the x drivers installed though) The LCD was replaced since :) -- damjan
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
On 5/25/2010 7:34 PM, Ionut Biru wrote: On 05/25/2010 04:51 PM, Rafael Beraldo wrote: Hi Madhurya Kakati, You can install the package community/deb2targz 1-2. Then you can convert any deb package. 2010/5/25 Madhurya Kakatimkakati2...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks that is not the actual problem. the problem is that adobe-air is 32 bit only and you'll need a lot of lib32 stuff just to run the apps. If you really want to use it, i suggest to use a i686 chroot and install adobe-air from aur yea i tried the bin32 adobe air too. installed lots of 32 bit packages.
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
On 5/25/2010 7:21 PM, Rafael Beraldo wrote: Hi Madhurya Kakati, You can install the package community/deb2targz 1-2. Then you can convert any deb package. Thanks will try that :) 2010/5/25 Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks
Re: [arch-general] Unable to install adobe air
On 5/25/2010 7:28 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am using archlinux 64bit. For the past few days i have tried every package in aur to install adobe-air but have failed. So my last option is to use a .deb package. Any way to install .deb in arch? Thanks What is the error ? You're asking a medicine without teling the problem ! There is no specific error. All the packages install fine but tweetdeck doesn't run.
Re: [arch-general] Script to check monitor blank state
Markus wrote: Hello everyone, i would like to write a little script, that suspends my computer if a few circumstances are met. One should be, that my screen should be blanked. I already did a google search on this, but i only found howtos of getting it to work / disable it. It looks like xset q does not print the actual state. Maybe there is a hook for screen blanking? Here, xset q has a line that says: Monitor is On. Couldn't you use that? Jerome -- mailto:jeber...@free.fr http://jeberger.free.fr Jabber: jeber...@jabber.fr signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] new pc; keep arch installation?
On 05/25/2010 09:46 AM, Vincent Schut wrote: Hi, I'm going to get a new pc, replacing my now more than 5 years old pc. I would like to keep my current arch installation, and hope to prevent the need to do a full reinstall. I like the software I have, and I like the configuration I have... Could I just put my old harddisk (which is relatively new and still OK, I have SMART enabled) in the new pc and reboot? I've done this. The answer is yes and no. When I tried the old HD in the new machine, the machine did started to boot, then got some sort of boot error and stopped. Reason was that the ramdisk image that was created was tailored to the hardware and modules required by the old machine, and so didn't work correctly with the hardware on the new machine. Solution is as follows: * First time you boot on the new machine, make sure you boot using the fallback kernel image. That ram image should contain *all* modules, not just the ones for the old machine's hardware. * After you successfully boot onto the fallback kernel image, you need to rebuild a new kernel image that matches the new hardware: sudo /sbin/mkinitcpio -p kernel26 * Now reboot the box. It should be able to boot successfully off the new ramdisk image you just generated. HTH, DR
Re: [arch-general] extra/tomcat is out of date
Hi, Tested on my x64 (and changed the pkgrel that was wrong): that works. So... anyone interested in this up-to-date version of a masterpiece of the Java world? :) Guillaume On 20 May 2010 12:11, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@alaux.net wrote: Hi everyone, A new version of Tomcat 5 was released nearly a month ago and our package in [extra] is still out of date (5.5.28 - 5.5.29). Changing the version number and the related MD5Sum works like a charm for me (i686). I still need to test it on my x64 at home but in just in case, attached is the up-to-date PKGBUILD. Cheers, Guillaume ALAUX PKGBUILD Description: Binary data
Re: [arch-general] regression in nouveau ?
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:42:54PM +0200, Xavier Chantry wrote: Never heard of similar regression before. Can you try using http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=kernel26-nouveau-git and http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=xf86-video-nouveau-git ? Would that be possible at all, given 24.3.2010 posted by xavier Merge of 2.6.34-rc2. On Monday, nouveau git tree went straight from 2.6.32 to 2.6.34-rc2. One backlight API change in 2.6.34-rc2 breaks compatibility with older kernels ( 2.6.34-rc2), so people doing out-of-tree builds will have to update their kernel to rc2. Alternatively, you could try to revert the backlight commit. The last thing I want is to get entangled in a recursive 'update to the latest' game. I tried the inverse today - downgrading nouveau to the version used on the machines that do work. Same problem, the older version wants a kernel 2.6.33, and gods knows where things will end if I go that route. This is not about hacking and having fun with bleeding edge versions. Apart from the machine that doesn't work (and I don't expect anything more than what all distros since a year or two have been able to provide OOTB), there's 9000 Euro of audio hardware sitting idle. I don't mind having to tweak things, do a lot of configuration manually, etc. etc., but I do expect things to work when they go into core/extra, or at least have a fallback available. There is none, AFAICS. Ciao, -- FA O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte !
[arch-general] Problems suspending since 2.6.33
Hello guys, since I upgraded for 2.6.33 several weeks ago, I encounter problems when suspending (or more precisely waking up) my machine. Since everything worked fine for month/years I first thought about a bug which might get fixed soon but while 2.6.33 is pretty settled and I couldn't find something in bug track I think the problem is somehow specific to my machine. As mentioned everything worked fine. I simply used 's2ram -f -p -m' to suspend my machine (need the parameter due to my ATI graphics card). No it seems suspending works fine but waking up crashes. When waking the computer up the screens stay black. In addition the HDD LED turns on for ~8sec and subsequent turns off. That's it. It seems dead. Also blind commands have no effect... I tried several parameter combination as well as pm-utils (which error-free logs confirm my assumption that at least suspending works fine). Also Xorg seems not to be the problem, since even suspending from a blank tty (without xserver running at all) does not make the computer wake up afterward. Any ideas on this? My machine: Intel P35 Chipset Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 ATI Radeon HD 3600 regards and thank you Michael
Re: [arch-general] regression in nouveau ?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:32 AM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: I don't mind having to tweak things, do a lot of configuration manually, etc. etc., but I do expect things to work when they go into core/extra, or at least have a fallback available. There is none, AFAICS. I don't know what you are saying. Just use nvidia. or nv or vesafb. Or if none of the drivers suits you, just use a different brand. Or if none of linux graphic drivers suits you, then use a different os.
Re: [arch-general] regression in nouveau ?
On 25 May 2010 16:32, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:42:54PM +0200, Xavier Chantry wrote: Never heard of similar regression before. Can you try using http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=kernel26-nouveau-git and http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=xf86-video-nouveau-git ? Would that be possible at all, given 24.3.2010 posted by xavier Merge of 2.6.34-rc2. On Monday, nouveau git tree went straight from 2.6.32 to 2.6.34-rc2. One backlight API change in 2.6.34-rc2 breaks compatibility with older kernels ( 2.6.34-rc2), so people doing out-of-tree builds will have to update their kernel to rc2. Alternatively, you could try to revert the backlight commit. The last thing I want is to get entangled in a recursive 'update to the latest' game. Um, one of the packages he suggested you build is a GIT kernel with nouveau merged in, which will work fine. I tried the inverse today - downgrading nouveau to the version used on the machines that do work. Same problem, the older version wants a kernel 2.6.33, and gods knows where things will end if I go that route. This is not about hacking and having fun with bleeding edge versions. Apart from the machine that doesn't work (and I don't expect anything more than what all distros since a year or two have been able to provide OOTB), there's 9000 Euro of audio hardware sitting idle. I don't mind having to tweak things, do a lot of configuration manually, etc. etc., but I do expect things to work when they go into core/extra, or at least have a fallback available. There is none, AFAICS. The binary nvidia driver? Also, I seriously doubt that the devs would have let this go to extra if they personally experienced this problem. And, nouveau is still in development, so you get what you sign up for, to some extent. Ciao, -- FA O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte ! -- Tavian Barnes
Re: [arch-general] regression in nouveau ?
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-05-26 00:32:22 +0200: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:42:54PM +0200, Xavier Chantry wrote: Never heard of similar regression before. Can you try using http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=kernel26-nouveau-git and http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=xf86-video-nouveau-git ? Would that be possible at all, given 24.3.2010 posted by xavier Merge of 2.6.34-rc2. On Monday, nouveau git tree went straight from 2.6.32 to 2.6.34-rc2. One backlight API change in 2.6.34-rc2 breaks compatibility with older kernels ( 2.6.34-rc2), so people doing out-of-tree builds will have to update their kernel to rc2. Alternatively, you could try to revert the backlight commit. The last thing I want is to get entangled in a recursive 'update to the latest' game. I tried the inverse today - downgrading nouveau to the version used on the machines that do work. Same problem, the older version wants a kernel 2.6.33, and gods knows where things will end if I go that route. This is not about hacking and having fun with bleeding edge versions. Apart from the machine that doesn't work (and I don't expect anything more than what all distros since a year or two have been able to provide OOTB), there's 9000 Euro of audio hardware sitting idle. I don't mind having to tweak things, do a lot of configuration manually, etc. etc., but I do expect things to work when they go into core/extra, or at least have a fallback available. There is none, AFAICS. Ciao, As someone else suggested, I'd try the nv driver. It's generally worse than nouveau in its graphics performance, but it's usable. It's what has been used for years by those who didn't want to use the proprietary nvidia driver. It used to work o.k. for me with regards to audio, but I never used very low frame settings (never under 128). The proprietary driver is also an option but it used to perform worse with regards to audio than nv. Mileage seems to vary with every version. The other option I see is trying to duplicate the setup you have on your other machines. The packages should be in pacmans cache. There may be an automatic or semi-automatic way to do this. Then I'd test new kernel/nouveau versions and see whether the situation improves. Sadly audio performance / locks /latency seems to be not on graphics driver developers minds at all. -- Regards, Philipp - Wir stehen selbst enttäuscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen. Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
Re: [arch-general] Off-topic: Good laptop to run Arch on?
On 05/22/2010 09:33 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: [snip] What laptops should I have a look at? Is there some brand (Dell, HP, ...) that is more Linux friendly than others? /M I have an HP dv6 that works perfectly in Arch. After my first laptop, I realized (like some other people suggested) that you should go with Intel parts if possible, so my current laptop is pretty much 100% Intel (lspci is a big list of intel, with one broadcom at the bottom). My previous laptop had an nvidia graphics card, which worked perfectly but ran much hotter and has some minor things that annoy me (no KMS, driver doesn't get built with the kernel). Nvidia is a good choice if you plan to run games, but an Intel card can run compiz fine and might be easier to work with. The advantage of the Intel processor (Core2 Duo) is that it uses less power, runs cooler and works better with laptop-mode-tools (look it up in extra). I have a broadcom wireless card (Broadcom BCM4322), which is annoying during the initial install, but has worked perfectly since then (including 802.n support). Sound works perfectly with no work (intel's hda driver has worked fine in ALSA for a couple years -- be careful of this if you use a slower updating distro like Fedora/Debian). Bluetooth worked out of the box (on Arch, out of the box means after installing bluez), no idea what kind it is (not listed by lscpi or lsusb). Might be part of the broadcom stuff. Mine also came with a webcam, and it seems to work fine. I don't remember doing anything special to set it up, but don't quote me on that. The one I bought isn't available anymore, but here's the specs if you want it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147934 -Brendan Long PS: I haven't tried the card reader or lightscribe support.
Re: [arch-general] Off-topic: Good laptop to run Arch on?
I have a lenovo thinkpad T500 with optional intel 5100 AGN wireless card and HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U20N dvd recorder, and overall i'm quite satisfied. But I did get a few quirks : - Graphics card is a switchable intel/ATI gpu, and I had to force the BIOS to only use either ATI or Intel. The open-source drivers don't support the ATI model yet, so I had to go with catalyst which has caused pains each time that I want to upgrade xorg. I haven't tried out the intel card under linux, but from what I read its well supported. -ACPI volume buttons don't work out-of-the-box, had to configure a key event listener and use amixer -Sound when playing a DVD is awfully quiet compared with winDVD, even with the volume at max Otherwise the rest (webcam, wireless, suspend, SD card reader, etc) works fine - On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.netwrote: On 05/22/2010 11:33 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: What laptops should I have a look at? Is there some brand (Dell, HP, ...) that is more Linux friendly than others? My work laptop, a Dell Precision M4400, runs Arch fine. Had to install a few extra kernel modules (e.g., broadcom-wl), but everything else got picked up automagically. HTH, DR -- All musicians are drug addicts, no question about it. The ecstasy we get during a concert is proof enough. yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical 'street-junkie'... Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations Will et/ou Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes et/ou Touffa! :)
Re: [arch-general] Off-topic: Good laptop to run Arch on?
I have an Acer 4736ZG runs arch fine, nvidia graphic. test the machine with a ubuntu cd is a good idea. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Gregory Eric Sanderson gzou2...@gmail.com wrote: I have a lenovo thinkpad T500 with optional intel 5100 AGN wireless card and HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U20N dvd recorder, and overall i'm quite satisfied. But I did get a few quirks : - Graphics card is a switchable intel/ATI gpu, and I had to force the BIOS to only use either ATI or Intel. The open-source drivers don't support the ATI model yet, so I had to go with catalyst which has caused pains each time that I want to upgrade xorg. I haven't tried out the intel card under linux, but from what I read its well supported. -ACPI volume buttons don't work out-of-the-box, had to configure a key event listener and use amixer -Sound when playing a DVD is awfully quiet compared with winDVD, even with the volume at max Otherwise the rest (webcam, wireless, suspend, SD card reader, etc) works fine - On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: On 05/22/2010 11:33 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: What laptops should I have a look at? Is there some brand (Dell, HP, ...) that is more Linux friendly than others? My work laptop, a Dell Precision M4400, runs Arch fine. Had to install a few extra kernel modules (e.g., broadcom-wl), but everything else got picked up automagically. HTH, DR -- All musicians are drug addicts, no question about it. The ecstasy we get during a concert is proof enough. yet there is a slight difference between us, the musicians, and the typical 'street-junkie'... Instead of consuming powder, we consume vibrations Will et/ou Gregory Eric Sanderson Turcot Temlett MacDonnell Forbes et/ou Touffa! :) -- Arch Linuxer, Pythoner, Geek -- Blog: http://apt-blog.net
