Re: [arch-general] Old "news"
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 15:34, Dan McGee wrote: > The URLs for all news items changed, so your news feed probably saw > this and thought the items were new. I'm not sure why Django uses the > URL as a guid, but this should be a one-time occurrance. In my experience this is a regular one-time occurrence ;) Arch-announce resends old announcements with some regularity, though it's worth noting that I've never received the same mail more than twice. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:41 -0500, Myra Nelson wrote: > > One would hope this is enough to end the BS, it's getting tiring. > > Myra Nelson Did you just compare the service of highly-paid lawyers and doctors with voluntary time on the Arch ML? =) My observation is that most of the responses so far are based on the poster's history rather than the particular question asked, rightly or wrongly.
Re: [arch-general] Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wants to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God
On 09/23/2010 12:16 AM, reflexing wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of > Singapore wrote: > >> I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a >> lawsuit against Him at the United States Supreme Court? >> >> > Not this AGAIN! > Nope, he's screwed... About the farthest you can go to gain jurisdiction over a foreigner is to sue under the Geneva Conventions' Treaty for the International Service of Process, or other applicable treaty if the country in question wasn't a signatory at the Geneva Convention. In this case, I know of no treaty that extends to Heaven that authorizes the inter-worlds service of process. So in short, the OP could not gain jurisdiction over God. Even if he found a way to get process (a copy of the Complaint and Summons) to God, God could just choose to ignore the pleadings. There would be a defect in service on the face of the record and no court could enter a no-answer default against God in that case. Simply put - a mortal cannot gain jurisdiction over God in our legal system :p P.S. - but anyone with a spare $260 can file a lawsuit and try :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wants to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God
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Singapore wrote:
> I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a
> lawsuit against Him at the United States Supreme Court?
>
> --
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 Dip(Mechatronics) BEng(Hons)(Mechanical
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Re: [arch-general] Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wants to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote: > I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a > lawsuit against Him at the United States Supreme Court? > > -- > Yours sincerely, > > Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 Dip(Mechatronics) BEng(Hons)(Mechanical > Engineering) > Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean > Alma Maters: > [1] Singapore Polytechnic (Graduated 1998) > [2] National University of Singapore (Graduated 2006) > Facebook account: Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) > Facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982 > Facebook photos: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982#!/profile.php?id=10750083982&v=photos > Facebook videos: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982&v=app_2392950137 > Mobile Phone (Starhub pre-paid): +65-8369-2618 > Windows Live Messenger: teoenming-at-hotmail.com > Location: Bedok Reservoir Road, Singapore > ZIP: 470103 > My Open Letter (Plea for Medical Help/Assistance) to World Leaders (Updated > 28 August 2010):- > http://lists.mcs.anl.gov/pipermail/mpich-discuss/2010-August/007811.html > http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295952.html > > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_f6a341d9623fda17880159b137c07335.xml > Photo of Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 of Singapore #1: > http://i53.tinypic.com/207tamp.jpg > Photo of Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 of Singapore #2: > http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7534/enmingteodscf2511.jpg > > > Not this AGAIN! -- Kirill E. Churin Jabber: reflex...@reflexing.ru, ICQ: 8163230, Skype on demand. In a world *without walls* or fences, *who needs windows and gates?*
[arch-general] Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wants to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God
I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a lawsuit against Him at the United States Supreme Court? -- Yours sincerely, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 Dip(Mechatronics) BEng(Hons)(Mechanical Engineering) Citizenship: Singapore Citizen/Singaporean Alma Maters: [1] Singapore Polytechnic (Graduated 1998) [2] National University of Singapore (Graduated 2006) Facebook account: Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982 Facebook photos: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982#!/profile.php?id=10750083982&v=photos Facebook videos: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10750083982&v=app_2392950137 Mobile Phone (Starhub pre-paid): +65-8369-2618 Windows Live Messenger: teoenming-at-hotmail.com Location: Bedok Reservoir Road, Singapore ZIP: 470103 My Open Letter (Plea for Medical Help/Assistance) to World Leaders (Updated 28 August 2010):- http://lists.mcs.anl.gov/pipermail/mpich-discuss/2010-August/007811.html http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-August/295952.html http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_f6a341d9623fda17880159b137c07335.xml Photo of Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 of Singapore #1: http://i53.tinypic.com/207tamp.jpg Photo of Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) 张恩鸣 of Singapore #2: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7534/enmingteodscf2511.jpg
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:23, Steve Holmes wrote: > Yeah, when I got started into learning package maintenance in Arch, I > recall reading the wiki pages for AUR and ABS (the Arch Build > System). Sorry, I forget the exact links but the ABS stuff explains > PKGBUILDs really well and when I combined that with the AUR material, > I felt I was pretty will informed to start digging in and start > playing around with some PKGBUILDs I was interested in and then I took > on a couple packages that I was personally interested in maintaining. > I also have download some other packages that are only in AUR and I > built them on my own system in a /var/abs/local path so that also gave > me more self learned experience with packages and how these things > should be built. Probably the area needing most attention paid to is > the standards that should be followed when building new PKGBUILDs. Of > course, like most of us programmers tend to do, we can just copy other > PKGBUILDS and work from them; just hope they are well behaved or we > would be creating more bad packages from other bad ones . But > then there's the .proto PKGBUILDs and install scripts that come with > the ABS package (if I remember right) that are good starters too. > > Anyway, I rambled on here for a long time and probably caused even > more confusion but hopefully, this was of some value. > Like Steve, I used the same method of learning about PKGBUILDS, ABS, and the AUR. One thing which made me determined to figure it out, without additional help, was the possibility of responses similar to what David seems to incur. Because there are times when my dementia (this is not a joke) keeps me from finding answers that are right in front of my face and I just can't put it all together. One question to ask one's self comes from this premise; I'm a busy developer or programmer and I don't like all the BS on my mailing list so I'm going to ride hard on someone who asks what I think are silly questions when they could find out for themselves. The flip side is, when you have a question about a legal problem will you spend hours researching it, or call a lawyer. What if the lawyer tells you to read the wiki, STFW, or RTFM. Since lawyers tend to be fairly busy in today's world, or so it seems, maybe he feels he can get a quick hint, get back to work, then have some context to work with when he does his research later. Another analogy would be when you've got a fever of 103 deg F (39.4 deg C) and the doctor tells you to take 2 aspirin, hands you a medical journal to read, and see if you can reach me in the morning. I agree useless noise on the mailing list is aggravating. What's more aggravating is after several responses (positive or negative) a 20 - now 21- barrage of responses. Many of which just continue to elicit responses which are nothing but some form of regurgitation of what's gone before. As a suggestion for those of you who don't care for David's question, don't open his posts and read them. It might make for a more civil world. I also have a short quick fuse and tend to put out responses to attacks as a personal affront. I'll break my machine and have to reinstall the whole system before I ask a question about how to fix anything, even if it's cutting my nose off to spite my face. One would hope this is enough to end the BS, it's getting tiring. Myra Nelson -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
Yeah, when I got started into learning package maintenance in Arch, I recall reading the wiki pages for AUR and ABS (the Arch Build System). Sorry, I forget the exact links but the ABS stuff explains PKGBUILDs really well and when I combined that with the AUR material, I felt I was pretty will informed to start digging in and start playing around with some PKGBUILDs I was interested in and then I took on a couple packages that I was personally interested in maintaining. I also have download some other packages that are only in AUR and I built them on my own system in a /var/abs/local path so that also gave me more self learned experience with packages and how these things should be built. Probably the area needing most attention paid to is the standards that should be followed when building new PKGBUILDs. Of course, like most of us programmers tend to do, we can just copy other PKGBUILDS and work from them; just hope they are well behaved or we would be creating more bad packages from other bad ones . But then there's the .proto PKGBUILDs and install scripts that come with the ABS package (if I remember right) that are good starters too. Anyway, I rambled on here for a long time and probably caused even more confusion but hopefully, this was of some value.
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 15:01 -0300, Ángel Velásquez wrote: > David, > > I will try to have some courtesy to you this time. > > I usually read the mailing list, I don't reply it at all (just when I > need to say my opinion) but, trust me, I read at least 70% of the > mails of the list... From that 70% that I've read, I see, that you ask > _anything_ on the list, so I don't think that you really did a minor > research, or your research techniques are wrong, or you pretend that > we are here to reply you 24/7. > > Maybe in this little case, the question that you did, is not detailed > on the wiki as you expected, but then let me ask you a question, did > you updated the wiki when you didn't found the information and then > you got a reply from the list? .. I think no. So don't complain about > the lack of the information on the wiki. > > Wanna an advice? try to don't ask _anything_ and waste the time of the > people who usually reply you. Instead, try to research a little more, > and then, after hours (yes hours) of researching, *ask*, and > eventually the number of questions that you do on this list will > decrease and probably you get better replies than a classic RTFM. I > don't consider myself as a very-smart-guy-so-i-dont-ask .. but I try > to don't ask a lot. > > It's just my opinion, btw. Good luck. Similar opinion here. While you (David) are obviously not dumb, the sheer number of emails and tone of them seem to indicate a certain lack of prior searching. Or perhaps a lack of creativity in searching. In any case, the impression your question gives is of this sort of process:- 1. Think about something. 2. Realize you're not sure how to do it. 3. Email an initial question to the list. 4. While waiting, try a few things on your own. 5. If not answered, add more comments in a reply to your own message. Preferably, step 3 should be removed and 'do google/wiki/forum/ML search' added to step 4. This would decrease your message ratio AND increase the usefulness of your messages (hence the usefulness of the ML archive).
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/22/2010 01:52 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 09/21/2010 05:17 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found some fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then divvy them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to say I'll take package X on? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these elementary questions? Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. Alternatively hire an arch tutor. OK, now I have read the entire document. What part of it are you relying on to answer my original question? The only mention of 'orphan' in the entire document is the following -- Q: Foo in AUR is outdated; what do I do? A: For starters, you can flag packages out-of-date. If it stays out-of-date for an extended amount of time, the best thing to do is email the maintainer. If there is no response from the maintainer, *you could mail to the aur-general mailing list* to have a TU orphan the PKGBUILD if you're willing to maintain it yourself. emphasis between the '*'s is mine. Well I think you picked out the line. "if there is no response from the maintainer, you could mail to the aur-general mailing list to have a TU orphan the PKGBUILD *if you're willing to maintain it yourself.*" (I added the emphasis) An user with basic knowledge of the AUR should be able to figure out that he/she would be able to maintian an orphaned package. Now I might be able to see some difficulty in interpreting this if you are a non-native speaker. However, since you are a Texan lawyer, I would imagine that you speak fluent English. Also, the section 'Sharing PKGBUILDs in UNSUPPORTED' and 'Submitting Packages to AUR' would help you understand how the AUR works. Does somebody monitor the orphans and then divvy them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to say I'll take package X on? That statement, at least to me, would indicate that you are not familiar with how the AUR works and operates. Therefore, that wiki article in general would have given you some very good, fundamental, knowledge. if you had asked "How can I maintained an orphan package?" then it would be a different story.
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
What about the aur-general mailing-list ?
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 22-09-2010 15:21, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: On 09/21/2010 10:07 PM, Mario Figueiredo wrote: On 21-09-2010 23:17, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found some fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then divvy them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to say I'll take package X on? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these elementary questions? Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. Alternatively hire an arch tutor. And who on earth are you? Well I'm pyther and I've been around since '05. You? As I thought.. You are no one special. Now please, moderate your speech since you actually do not dictate what goes or not on this mailing list. Neither having that power would give you the right to be offensive and rude. Also make a point of checking your own answers when replying. Because all the show you put ends up in a link to a wiki page that actually doesn't answer the initial question.
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
David, I will try to have some courtesy to you this time. I usually read the mailing list, I don't reply it at all (just when I need to say my opinion) but, trust me, I read at least 70% of the mails of the list... From that 70% that I've read, I see, that you ask _anything_ on the list, so I don't think that you really did a minor research, or your research techniques are wrong, or you pretend that we are here to reply you 24/7. Maybe in this little case, the question that you did, is not detailed on the wiki as you expected, but then let me ask you a question, did you updated the wiki when you didn't found the information and then you got a reply from the list? .. I think no. So don't complain about the lack of the information on the wiki. Wanna an advice? try to don't ask _anything_ and waste the time of the people who usually reply you. Instead, try to research a little more, and then, after hours (yes hours) of researching, *ask*, and eventually the number of questions that you do on this list will decrease and probably you get better replies than a classic RTFM. I don't consider myself as a very-smart-guy-so-i-dont-ask .. but I try to don't ask a lot. It's just my opinion, btw. Good luck. -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [arch-general] Local Mirror - Wiki Article
On 09/22/2010 01:20 PM, Fess wrote:
On 09:18 Tue 21 Sep , Matthew Gyurgyik wrote:
Since the other thread is huge and hard to follow, I am creating a new
thread.
I would like to use this thread to talk strictly about the Local Mirror
wiki article.
I have updated the wiki article to reflect the new pool directory.
Currently there are some packages that are in pool/ while others are still
in {$repo}/os/${arch}. Those in pool have symlinks to {$repo}/os/${arch}
> From my understanding, eventually, all packages will be in pool/
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Local_Mirror
I am hoping someone who runs a Local Mirror can try this out. I do not
have a need for a local mirror nor do I want to pull Gigs of data from a
mirror to test this. However, I have done dry runs on the rsync command.
@Devs: Maybe someone can update the Mirror Section in the NewMirrors wiki
article
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors#Mirror_size
Thank you for recovering this page.
The page was *not* recovered. It was updated with new, correct information.
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
Hello again David, If you're motivated and willing to learn, you can always give it a try! A fair amount of the packages in the AUR are fairly simple to maintain (version bumping, applying a simple patch etc.) and most related questions have already been asked, debated and answered on the forums. It is up to you to decide if you are capable, or willing to try and become capable, of maintaining a package. In short: it is good to ask, but a certain amount of "just doing" combined with some common sense is definitely part of it :) Experiment locally! Consider it a wiki; if people don't agree or feel a maintainer is slacking behind -> they'll fix it themselves. 2010/9/22 David C. Rankin : > On 09/21/2010 03:57 PM, Stefan Erik Wilkens wrote: >> Hello David, >> >> If you're logged in to the AUR, any package with an orphan status will >> have an "Adopt Packages" button on its page. > > Yep, I've seen that button, but I'm not sure anybody wants a lawyer maintain > any > package :p I see some that I'm pretty sure I could do (RPM, yum, etc), but I > am > no wizard with PKGBUILDs or solving problems when sources won't build due to > compiler changes, etc.. So rather than creating frustrations for everyone, I > thought I would raise the orphan issue to see how to handle it. > > If there is somewhere to turn for help when I run into build issues I can't > solve, then I wouldn't mind picking up a couple of packages so they can be > kept > current. What nobody needs when trying to help is to be lambasted for not > being > able to solve those types of problems -- I sure don't need it. > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC > 510 Ochiltree Street > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 > www.rankinlawfirm.com > -- msn: stefan_wilk...@hotmail.com e-mail: stefanwilk...@gmail.com blog: http://www.stefanwilkens.eu/ adres: Lipperkerkstraat 14 7511 DA Enschede
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/21/2010 05:17 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >> Guys, >> >> I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found >> some >> fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR >> packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then >> divvy >> them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to >> say >> I'll take package X on? >> > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR > > Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these > elementary > questions? > Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. > Alternatively hire an arch tutor. > OK, now I have read the entire document. What part of it are you relying on to answer my original question? The only mention of 'orphan' in the entire document is the following -- Q: Foo in AUR is outdated; what do I do? A: For starters, you can flag packages out-of-date. If it stays out-of-date for an extended amount of time, the best thing to do is email the maintainer. If there is no response from the maintainer, *you could mail to the aur-general mailing list* to have a TU orphan the PKGBUILD if you're willing to maintain it yourself. emphasis between the '*'s is mine. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 22/09/10 18:44, David C. Rankin wrote: On 09/21/2010 09:07 PM, Mario Figueiredo wrote: On 21-09-2010 23:17, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found some fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then divvy them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to say I'll take package X on? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these elementary questions? Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. Alternatively hire an arch tutor. And who on earth are you? This is the whole problem that makes Arch so gd frustrating to work with. I ask a simple question and get nothing back but - dumbass RTFM. C'mon, WTF is a community mailing list for if not to ask questions about a distribution and how package assignment is handled. "Think before you type" works both ways. Yes, if there is an answer in the wiki that tells you what to do when you find orphaned packages in AUR - I should have found it. Regardless of whether it is there or whether it was overlooked, when somebody asks something on the list in an attempt to help Arch -- for God sake, don't kick them in the teeth. Common courtesy and civility goes a long way in life. don't let trolls get the best of you.
Re: [arch-general] 2.6.35.5-1 Fails To Boot: ERROR 24: Attempt to access block outside partition??
On 09/22/2010 12:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Uh Oh... > > Just updated and 2.6.35.5-1 fails to boot. It fails at the very start > of boot. > The screen output is: > > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baaccajap5 ro vga=0x31a > > [Linux-bzImage setup=0x3200, size=0x20ac50] > > Error 24: Attempt to access bloack outside partition > > Press any key to continue... > Bug opened: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20918 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/21/2010 09:07 PM, Mario Figueiredo wrote: > On 21-09-2010 23:17, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: >> On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found >>> some >>> fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR >>> packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then >>> divvy >>> them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to >>> say >>> I'll take package X on? >>> >> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR >> >> Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these >> elementary questions? >> Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. >> Alternatively hire an arch tutor. >> > > And who on earth are you? > This is the whole problem that makes Arch so gd frustrating to work with. I ask a simple question and get nothing back but - dumbass RTFM. C'mon, WTF is a community mailing list for if not to ask questions about a distribution and how package assignment is handled. "Think before you type" works both ways. Yes, if there is an answer in the wiki that tells you what to do when you find orphaned packages in AUR - I should have found it. Regardless of whether it is there or whether it was overlooked, when somebody asks something on the list in an attempt to help Arch -- for God sake, don't kick them in the teeth. Common courtesy and civility goes a long way in life. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
[arch-general] Monitor not going to "power save" mode in suspend
Hi, I am using pm-utils to suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk. In both the suspends my LCD monitor goes black but doesn't go to the "power save mode" i.e the light doesn't turn orange. This happens only in archlinux though. On Windows when i standby (suspend) the monitor properly goes to "power save mode". Also in both the OS I can't wake up from suspend-to-ram by pressing any key on the key board or moving the mouse. I have to press the power on button on the CPU cabinet. I guess theres a BIOS setting to enable that but i can't seem to find it. Please tell me how to solve both the problems. My motherboard model is Biostar TA785G3 HD and BIOS is AMI BIOS. Thanks.
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/21/2010 05:17 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >> Guys, >> >> I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found >> some >> fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR >> packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then >> divvy >> them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to >> say >> I'll take package X on? >> > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR > > Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these > elementary > questions? > Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. > Alternatively hire an arch tutor. > Case in point -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/21/2010 03:57 PM, Stefan Erik Wilkens wrote: > Hello David, > > If you're logged in to the AUR, any package with an orphan status will > have an "Adopt Packages" button on its page. Yep, I've seen that button, but I'm not sure anybody wants a lawyer maintain any package :p I see some that I'm pretty sure I could do (RPM, yum, etc), but I am no wizard with PKGBUILDs or solving problems when sources won't build due to compiler changes, etc.. So rather than creating frustrations for everyone, I thought I would raise the orphan issue to see how to handle it. If there is somewhere to turn for help when I run into build issues I can't solve, then I wouldn't mind picking up a couple of packages so they can be kept current. What nobody needs when trying to help is to be lambasted for not being able to solve those types of problems -- I sure don't need it. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
[arch-general] 2.6.35.5-1 Fails To Boot: ERROR 24: Attempt to access block outside partition??
Uh Oh... Just updated and 2.6.35.5-1 fails to boot. It fails at the very start of boot. The screen output is: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_baaccajap5 ro vga=0x31a [Linux-bzImage setup=0x3200, size=0x20ac50] Error 24: Attempt to access bloack outside partition Press any key to continue... This is on my test server and looks like the same/similar issue to bug FS#20499. I don't know what Error 24 is, but I suspect it has something to do with the dmraid setup and not being able to find the partitions. The update complete perfectly: :: Retrieving packages from core... grep-2.7-1-x86_64 158.0K 204.0K/s 00:00:01 [#] 100% kernel26-2.6.35.5-1-x86_64 23.5M 507.3K/s 00:00:47 [#] 100% kernel26-headers-2.6.35.5-1-x86_643.9M 482.3K/s 00:00:08 [#] 100% kernel26-manpages-2.6.35.5-1-x86_642036.9K 466.8K/s 00:00:04 [#] 100% libldap-2.4.23-1-x86_64 357.3K 313.7K/s 00:00:01 [#] 100% mlocate-0.23.1-1-x86_64 74.8K 154.2K/s 00:00:00 [#] 100% :: Retrieving packages from extra... openldap-2.4.23-1-x86_64797.3K 389.9K/s 00:00:02 [#] 100% checking package integrity... (7/7) checking for file conflicts [#] 100% (1/7) upgrading grep [#] 100% (2/7) upgrading kernel26 [#] 100% >>> Updating module dependencies. Please wait ... >>> MKINITCPIO SETUP >>> >>> If you use LVM2, Encrypted root or software RAID, >>> Ensure you enable support in /etc/mkinitcpio.conf . >>> More information about mkinitcpio setup can be found here: >>> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio >>> Generating initial ramdisk, using mkinitcpio. Please wait... ==> Building image "default" ==> Running command: /sbin/mkinitcpio -k 2.6.35-ARCH -c /etc/mkinitcpio.conf -g /boot/kernel26.img :: Begin build :: Parsing hook [base] :: Parsing hook [udev] :: Parsing hook [autodetect] :: Parsing hook [pata] :: Parsing hook [scsi] :: Parsing hook [sata] :: Parsing hook [dmraid] :: Parsing hook [filesystems] :: Generating module dependencies :: Generating image '/boot/kernel26.img'...SUCCESS ==> SUCCESS ==> Building image "fallback" ==> Running command: /sbin/mkinitcpio -k 2.6.35-ARCH -c /etc/mkinitcpio.conf -g /boot/kernel26-fallback.img -S autodetect :: Begin build :: Parsing hook [base] :: Parsing hook [udev] :: Parsing hook [pata] :: Parsing hook [scsi] :: Parsing hook [sata] :: Parsing hook [dmraid] :: Parsing hook [filesystems] :: Generating module dependencies :: Generating image '/boot/kernel26-fallback.img'...SUCCESS ==> SUCCESS (3/7) upgrading kernel26-headers [#] 100% (4/7) upgrading kernel26-manpages [#] 100% (5/7) upgrading libldap [#] 100% (6/7) upgrading mlocate [#] 100% (7/7) upgrading openldap [#] 100% So what to try, what to check? 2.6.35.4-1 worked perfectly, so whatever changed for 2.6.35.5-1 is the issue. Let me know what else you need. This box hardware info is: The server is based on a MSI K9N2 board (MS-7374) with a Phenom 9850 proc & 8G of ram. The box has 2 dmraid arrays: [22:00 ecstasy:/mnt/arch] # dmraid -r /dev/sdd: nvidia, "nvidia_baaccaja", mirror, ok, 1465149166 sectors, data@ 0 /dev/sdc: nvidia, "nvidia_fdaacfde", mirror, ok, 976773166 sectors, data@ 0 /dev/sdb: nvidia, "nvidia_baaccaja", mirror, ok, 1465149166 sectors, data@ 0 /dev/sda: nvidia, "nvidia_fdaacfde", mirror, ok, 976773166 sectors, data@ 0 [22:00 ecstasy:/mnt/arch] # dmraid -s *** Active Set name : nvidia_baaccaja size : 1465149056 stride : 128 type : mirror status : ok subsets: 0 devs : 2 spares : 0 *** Active Set name : nvidia_fdaacfde size : 976773120 stride : 128 type : mirror status : ok subsets: 0 devs : 2 spares : 0 The lspci information for the soft-raid controller is: 00:09.0 RAID bus controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] SATA Controller (RAID mode) (rev a2) Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device 7374 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28 I/O ports at b080 [size=8] I/O ports at b000 [size=4] I/O ports at ac00 [size=8] I/O ports at a880 [size=4] I/O ports at a800 [size=16] Memory at f9e76000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [8c] SATA HBA v1.0 Capabilities: [b0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [ec] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+ Kernel driver in use: ahci Kernel modules: ahci Let me know what else to send. I'll also open a
Re: [arch-general] Local Mirror - Wiki Article
On 09:18 Tue 21 Sep , Matthew Gyurgyik wrote:
> Since the other thread is huge and hard to follow, I am creating a new
> thread.
> I would like to use this thread to talk strictly about the Local Mirror
> wiki article.
>
> I have updated the wiki article to reflect the new pool directory.
> Currently there are some packages that are in pool/ while others are still
> in {$repo}/os/${arch}. Those in pool have symlinks to {$repo}/os/${arch}
>
> >From my understanding, eventually, all packages will be in pool/
>
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Local_Mirror
>
> I am hoping someone who runs a Local Mirror can try this out. I do not
> have a need for a local mirror nor do I want to pull Gigs of data from a
> mirror to test this. However, I have done dry runs on the rsync command.
>
> @Devs: Maybe someone can update the Mirror Section in the NewMirrors wiki
> article
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors#Mirror_size
Thank you for recovering this page.
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Re: [arch-general] Old "news"
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:20:29 +0530 > Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM, 甘露(Gan Lu) >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mike Sampson >> > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, jesse jaara >> >> wrote: >> >>> Did anyone else revice some old maiöing list messages i got few >> >>> about xorg1.8 miving to extra and announment if 2010.5 install >> >>> meedia and some others >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yeah, me too. >> > My RSS reader listed 10 new "old" news too. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> > >> >> I got all of them in mail from arch-announce :/ >> > > Both the rss feed and arch-announce have this behavior. I guess the > program that sends mail to arch-announce just follows the newsfeed as > well. The URLs for all news items changed, so your news feed probably saw this and thought the items were new. I'm not sure why Django uses the URL as a guid, but this should be a one-time occurrance. -Dan
Re: [arch-general] How do AUR packages get new maintainers?
On 09/21/2010 10:07 PM, Mario Figueiredo wrote: On 21-09-2010 23:17, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: On 09/21/2010 04:53 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I've seen recent "Request to Ophan package XYZ" posts, and I've found some fairly large AUR packages that are orphaned (like RPM5). But, how do AUR packages get new maintainers? Does somebody monitor the orphans and then divvy them out among those with write privileges in AUR or does somebody have to say I'll take package X on? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR Really dude? You've been using arch for how long and still have these elementary questions? Think about you questions and try to find answer before you post to the list. Alternatively hire an arch tutor. And who on earth are you? Well I'm pyther and I've been around since '05. You? It is extremely annoying to see these elementary and many times unrelated emails on this list. David has had a history of not bothering to do simple searches to find answers to his questions. Arch is a do-it-yourself type of distro. I don't mind helping folks when they run into problems, but they have to show that they have made some attempt to help themselves. Just having a general idea of how the AUR works would have answered David's question. If you use arch you should be able to use the wiki, man pages, and google, at the minimum.
Re: [arch-general] BTRFS, a good choice for /?
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 18:37:56 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Hmm, after reading some responses, I don't think I'll use BTRFS on /, > because the power here is quite unreliable and my UPS can't guarantee > proper switching (it's nearly 12 yrs old!). > > So, what else would you guys recommend on / in order achieve high > speed and no failures if the FS was left in an inconsistent state? A good hard drive and ext4. btrfs has been good for me for almost 9 months now. My backup and home partitions are on btrfs and it is as invisible as ext4, just works for me, including forced reboots from power loss. The inverter can't take the spike of power loss, especially if a fan is running somewhere and causes pc to reboot. To survive power loss, I recommend these two settings ext4 : auto_da_alloc,noatime,defaults btrfs : flushoncommit,noatime,defaults To me, btrfs has been twice as fast compared to ext4, in some situations. List archives should have more info. -- Regards Shridhar
Re: [arch-general] BTRFS, a good choice for /?
Hmm, after reading some responses, I don't think I'll use BTRFS on /, because the power here is quite unreliable and my UPS can't guarantee proper switching (it's nearly 12 yrs old!). So, what else would you guys recommend on / in order achieve high speed and no failures if the FS was left in an inconsistent state? -- Regards, Nilesh Govindarajan Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/nilesh.gr Twitter: http://twitter.com/nileshgr Website: http://www.itech7.com VPS Hosting: http://www.itech7.com/a/vps
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-lts 2.6.32.22-1
Am Dienstag 21 September 2010 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: > Latest kernel is in testing, > please signoff for both arches. > > greetings > tpowa anyone i686? -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [arch-general] Intel GMA 3150 Graphics Card driver
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Adamzyg wrote: >Did any one use Netbook and the CPU is Intel NM450 which embeded > Graphics Card GMA 3150? I install the XF86-video-intel driver package by > pacman, > > *$ pacman -Ss xf86-video* | grep intel* > *extra/xf86-video-intel 2.12.0-1 (xorg-video-drivers) [installed]* > > but the glxgears just output like below: > > *$ glxgears * > *635 frames in 5.0 seconds = 126.856 FPS* > *663 frames in 5.0 seconds = 132.454 FPS* > *516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 103.154 FPS* > > So some game like supertux2 can't play, and mplayer can't play by vo > gl/gl2. > I need some help... > > Some information: > $ lspci > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Pineview DMI Bridge > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated > Graphics Controller > 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics > Controller > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High > Definition > Audio Controller (rev 02) > ... > > $ modprobe -l | grep intel > ... > kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko > kernel/drivers/idle/intel_idle.ko > kernel/drivers/char/hw_random/intel-rng.ko > kernel/drivers/char/agp/intel-agp.ko > kernel/drivers/platform/x86/intel_menlow.ko > ... > > $ modprobe -l | grep i915 > kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko > > Best Regards. > What about /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? The figures you get with glxgears are high. It does not seem like something is wrong. -- Cédric Girard
[arch-general] Intel GMA 3150 Graphics Card driver
Did any one use Netbook and the CPU is Intel NM450 which embeded Graphics Card GMA 3150? I install the XF86-video-intel driver package by pacman, *$ pacman -Ss xf86-video* | grep intel* *extra/xf86-video-intel 2.12.0-1 (xorg-video-drivers) [installed]* but the glxgears just output like below: *$ glxgears * *635 frames in 5.0 seconds = 126.856 FPS* *663 frames in 5.0 seconds = 132.454 FPS* *516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 103.154 FPS* So some game like supertux2 can't play, and mplayer can't play by vo gl/gl2. I need some help... Some information: $ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Pineview DMI Bridge 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) ... $ modprobe -l | grep intel ... kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko kernel/drivers/idle/intel_idle.ko kernel/drivers/char/hw_random/intel-rng.ko kernel/drivers/char/agp/intel-agp.ko kernel/drivers/platform/x86/intel_menlow.ko ... $ modprobe -l | grep i915 kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko Best Regards.
Re: [arch-general] BTRFS, a good choice for /?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:23:07 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Hi, > > After true multilib support came for arch, I reformatted / as jfs to > install arch64. > But somehow, I feel my system is slow (in spite of regular fscks on > every ten mounts and using deadline scheduler) as compared to arch32 & > ext4. > I'm thinking of using btrfs on /, is it stable to the extent that I > can use it on /? > I guess a lot of you guys are using it here? I use it on my / for about six month now and it's OK. Of course regular backups are necessary, because when it fails (happend two or three times to me), it's mostly unrepairable and you lost everything. I also noticed significant speed regressions in last kernels, but I hope it will get OK soon. To keep the the btrfs fit, you should do balancing regularly and you should try to avoid leaving btrfs in inconsistent state (like forcing unmount or turning off (not properly) PC when there's some IO - that's how I destroyed my btrfs). I agree it's not ready yet for production use, where absolute reliability, stability and constant performance are required, but I think it's ready for home use. The more users will test it, the sooner it will get ready for production use. Dan -- -- Dan Vrátil vra...@progdansoft.com Tel: +4202 732 326 870 Jabber: prog...@jabber.cz
Re: [arch-general] BTRFS, a good choice for /?
On 22 September 2010 14:53, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Hi, > > After true multilib support came for arch, I reformatted / as jfs to > install arch64. > But somehow, I feel my system is slow (in spite of regular fscks on > every ten mounts and using deadline scheduler) as compared to arch32 & > ext4. > I'm thinking of using btrfs on /, is it stable to the extent that I > can use it on /? > I guess a lot of you guys are using it here? BTRFS is not production-ready yet, it is _very_ clear: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page It depends on what your definition of "stable" is. JFS is not a fast filesystem, it is a low-power and low-latency all-arounder suitable for laptops/5400RPM disks.
Re: [arch-general] Old "news"
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:20:29 +0530 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM, 甘露(Gan Lu) > wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Mike Sampson > > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, jesse jaara > >> wrote: > >>> Did anyone else revice some old maiöing list messages i got few > >>> about xorg1.8 miving to extra and announment if 2010.5 install > >>> meedia and some others > >>> > >> > >> Yeah, me too. > > My RSS reader listed 10 new "old" news too. > >> > >> Mike > >> > > > > I got all of them in mail from arch-announce :/ > Both the rss feed and arch-announce have this behavior. I guess the program that sends mail to arch-announce just follows the newsfeed as well. Dieter
Re: [arch-general] BTRFS, a good choice for /?
On 22 September 2010 14:53, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Hi, > > After true multilib support came for arch, I reformatted / as jfs to > install arch64. > But somehow, I feel my system is slow (in spite of regular fscks on > every ten mounts and using deadline scheduler) as compared to arch32 & > ext4. > I'm thinking of using btrfs on /, is it stable to the extent that I > can use it on /? > I guess a lot of you guys are using it here? I was playing with btrfs a month or two ago, and I wouldn't recommend using for anything crucial just yet. When it works, it is great. Fast, compact, useful. But it broke on me more than one time, and it seems the support tools are not totally up for the task at the moment. Some examples: Btrfs does not handle disk-full situations gracefully, just craps itself. And when I say "full" it does not have to be completely, on the partition I tried there were times when when a few hundred MB were still free and still gave up. Does need rebalancing occasionally (maybe I should say on a regular basis for its own good, freeing up space, restoring performance) and that process did break on me too, leaving an unusable partition. I really want to like btrfs, that's why I tried, but I think there's still a way to go until I trust / with it Let me know if anyone has better experience than me. Cheers, Greg
