Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011-01-22
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Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 19:23 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:09:43 pm Sander Jansen wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really easy to test without breaking the system. You can do this? I might try it out. If it works as expected in its stage of development, I'll quick being a jerk about it. Also, how does that work? Do you choose an init at some point? See the wiki, it's a kernel boot parameter. - If you installed vala 0.10, systemd-git won't build, even though gtk is disabled. This is a bug in the configure script of systemd. Solution would be either to install vala-0.11 or remove vala from your system. I'm confused by this. Do you mean that vala's conflicting something out of the system or just causing a breakage in some way? There's a bug in configure script. It works fine if you don't have vala installed, but if you do have it installed it will bark at you if you have the wrong version. - I guess the initscripts-systemd is listed as an optional dependency of systemd, but I'm not sure how usefull systemd is without it...? Though I don't 100% know how systemd is, don't all init systems need scripts to be useful? I would think that installing systemd's initscripts would be important for it to do its work. Yeah, this is more a packaging issue. - The login console seems to be slightly messed up. I can login, but error/log messages keep being send to the terminal as well. What are the messages? Is there a bug in the bug tracker about this or is this purely an upstream concern? Just stderr output from the various daemons running. I'm guessing it goes to the wrong terminal. - I know how I can change the default target on the boot line, but can I set it anywhere else? Is that how you would run one init system over another? systemd has a concept of runlevels, but calls them targets. You can override the default on the kernel boot line. - sshd has listed network.service as a dependency, but what if you use NetworkManager instead? Would this be cause for a seperate set of daemon scripts just for systemd or are there plans to make it work with rc.conf in much the same way SysV does? systemd has unit files that replace the traditional sysv daemon scripts. They're much shorter and sweeter. The question was related to whether sshd should list network which is arch's /etc/rc.d/network script as a dependency. Cheers, Sander I think I'll try this out. I'll be sure to file bug reports as necessary. Can we move this discussion to the forums, if there is a a real ready systemd replacement for archlinux, make the devs interested. Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Sat 22 Jan 2011 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Well I refrained from saying anything until now. I'll be honest. I found your original mail to be a bit obnoxious and a bit spammish. I have nothing against your race or religion, but I think your email address is ridiculous. If you want to spread your message, at least put it in an email signature for God/Allah/Yaweh/Buddha/Guanyin/Vishnu's sake. Also the Arch mailing lists are not a place for religious preaching or discussion. Thanks for participating. Namaste.
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On 22-01-2011 13:05, Loui Chang wrote: On Sat 22 Jan 2011 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Well I refrained from saying anything until now. I'll be honest. I found your original mail to be a bit obnoxious and a bit spammish. I have nothing against your race or religion, but I think your email address is ridiculous. If you want to spread your message, at least put it in an email signature for God/Allah/Yaweh/Buddha/Guanyin/Vishnu's sake. Also the Arch mailing lists are not a place for religious preaching or discussion. Thanks for participating. Namaste. I have to agree that I also found that the original post might be spam. The list has been spammed before, not with announcing the availability of another font but with something similar. Both the email address and the press release looked fishy. However, I also gave the original post the benefit of the doubt since it seems to be something that may benefit a community of people (personally I have no idea what the OP was on about). -- Mauro Santos
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 13:43 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:36:45 +0100 Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) afaik forums contains more trolls then mailing list. Probably in number, but I'd wager that replies are faster here than on the forums =)
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Up to this point this thread has been ignore-able, but what sort of nonsense is this? Accusations of racism simply because your spam is being identified as such? What 'spam' is is decided by the recipients. I personally think this whole thread is spam. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this list in thinking that.
[arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
What tools are needed in Arch to configure the login and logout sounds for GNOME? When I go into the Volume control, I can only change the alert sounds and that, I can do OK but right now, I cannot get any sounds to work for Login, Logout, e-mail, etc. I've seen references in google for other distros having something called Sound-Preferences or something but I don't see anything like that for Arch. Google also pulled up some forum references to this same question but no answers were ever given. What do other GNOME users do about this in Arch? I'm not aware of how to specify the paths for the right files. Ifound the sound files themselves in /usr/share/sounds but can't figure out where to go from here. Any ideas?
[arch-general] libusb-compat owns /usr/lb/libusb.so symlink
Hi guys. Is that the intended purpose? I was having a problem with the mouse module from KDE system settings and discovered that I didn't have libusb-compat. When I listed its contents just to check, I saw that it is the owner of /usr/lib/libusb.so and it is pointing to /usr/lib/libusb.so.0.1.so.4.4.4. Would that make programs compiled in my machine be linked against the older libusb? Or is it harmless? -- A: Because it obfuscates the reading. Q: Why is top posting so bad? --- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto Linux user #524555 ---
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Saturday, January 22, 2011 05:23:13 am hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. How does pointing you out to be a spammer make him a racist all of a sudden? I smell troll.
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Saturday, January 22, 2011 09:09:22 am Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Up to this point this thread has been ignore-able, but what sort of nonsense is this? Accusations of racism simply because your spam is being identified as such? What 'spam' is is decided by the recipients. I personally think this whole thread is spam. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this list in thinking that. The fact he called it racism smells of a troll to me. Trolls are worse than spammers.
Re: [arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
On Saturday, January 22, 2011 09:28:35 am Steve Holmes wrote: What tools are needed in Arch to configure the login and logout sounds for GNOME? When I go into the Volume control, I can only change the alert sounds and that, I can do OK but right now, I cannot get any sounds to work for Login, Logout, e-mail, etc. I've seen references in google for other distros having something called Sound-Preferences or something but I don't see anything like that for Arch. Google also pulled up some forum references to this same question but no answers were ever given. What do other GNOME users do about this in Arch? I'm not aware of how to specify the paths for the right files. Ifound the sound files themselves in /usr/share/sounds but can't figure out where to go from here. Any ideas? I encountered this issue a few years ago, when for whatever reason the GNOME developers stripped away sound theming for no reason. Perhaps the option is buried deep within the gconf-editor?
Re: [arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
On 01/22/2011 05:28 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: What tools are needed in Arch to configure the login and logout sounds for GNOME? When I go into the Volume control, I can only change the alert sounds and that, I can do OK but right now, I cannot get any sounds to work for Login, Logout, e-mail, etc. I've seen references in google for other distros having something called Sound-Preferences or something but I don't see anything like that for Arch. Google also pulled up some forum references to this same question but no answers were ever given. Sound preferences exists only if you install pulseaudio and corresponding pulse package for gnome (pacman -S pulseaudio-gnome) What do other GNOME users do about this in Arch? I'm not aware of how to specify the paths for the right files. Ifound the sound files themselves in /usr/share/sounds but can't figure out where to go from here. Any ideas? Gnome project relies on sound-theme-freedesktop as the default theme from it. For some reasons they removed the login and logout sound and many more to replace it. That happened more that 1 year ago. If you want sounds, try search a sound theme on gnome-look.org -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
On 01/22/2011 07:40 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:38:08PM +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: Sound preferences exists only if you install pulseaudio and corresponding pulse package for gnome (pacman -S pulseaudio-gnome) Why pulse audio? I have heard so much bad press about it, I never installed it on my system. I have other facilities on my system that require sound to transcend multiple users like speech dispatcher and screen reader applications that are adversely affected by using pulse audio. I wonder if I could just find and build the sound preferences portion myself with my own package without using pulse? I understand that once pulse is running, you can't use ALSA or anything else at the same time. lets not start a rant about this. This is what gnome decided long time ago and we actually patched (and is not the arch way) that out to provided gstreamer support over pulse. Gnome project relies on sound-theme-freedesktop as the default theme from it. For some reasons they removed the login and logout sound and many more to replace it. That happened more that 1 year ago. If you want sounds, try search a sound theme on gnome-look.org Actually, I have the borealis package tarball here and was figuring to install it. It is just the sound files though so I need to know how to tell GNOME where to find these files and associate them with the appropriate events. It is these sound events I can't find in GNOME to assign the files. now that i'm thinking more about it there should be under the volume control a drop down list labeled as Sound theme (and have as entries No sound and Default) and below that where you can select the alert sound. The most annoying thing is that you can't modify the alert sound volume (that is available only with pulse). -- Ionuț
Re: [arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 08:01:05PM +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: lets not start a rant about this. This is what gnome decided long time ago and we actually patched (and is not the arch way) that out to provided gstreamer support over pulse. Oh, so one could install the gnome-pulse stuff and just not run the pulse daemon? that might be an interesting thing to try. I'll need to examine that package. now that i'm thinking more about it there should be under the volume control a drop down list labeled as Sound theme (and have as entries No sound and Default) and below that where you can select the alert sound. The most annoying thing is that you can't modify the alert sound volume (that is available only with pulse). Interesting; I had no idea GNOME was relying so heavily on Pulse Audio. Anyway, I have been through the volume control and see the options you speak of. That is only the general alert sounds though and doesn't include things like Login, logout, etc. These are .ogg files and you can choose between things like Glass, Bark, Sonar, and No sound. On occasion I hear other sounds during things like errors and questions but haven't yet figured out exactly which files are being used and how chosen. It seems very comvoluted at how to configure sound events in gnome now days.
Re: [arch-general] libusb-compat owns /usr/lb/libusb.so symlink
On 22.1.2011 18.04, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Is that the intended purpose? I was having a problem with the mouse module from KDE system settings and discovered that I didn't have libusb-compat. When I listed its contents just to check, I saw that it is the owner of /usr/lib/libusb.so and it is pointing to /usr/lib/libusb.so.0.1.so.4.4.4. Would that make programs compiled in my machine be linked against the older libusb? Or is it harmless? -- A: Because it obfuscates the reading. Q: Why is top posting so bad? --- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto Linux user #524555 --- Most of the apps will link to the lib specified in pkgconfig file of the pkg. As the compat pkg contains only the library and no development files the pkgconfig file of the libusb pkg will be used and it will tell to link to the .so.some-number and not to the .so symlink.
Re: [arch-general] libusb-compat owns /usr/lb/libusb.so symlink
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, jesse jaara jesse.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the apps will link to the lib specified in pkgconfig file of the pkg. As the compat pkg contains only the library and no development files the pkgconfig file of the libusb pkg will be used and it will tell to link to the .so.some-number and not to the .so symlink. Hmm, I see... Thank you for the clarification! -- A: Because it obfuscates the reading. Q: Why is top posting so bad? --- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto Linux user #524555 ---
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: Can we move this discussion to the forums, In case it was not posted yet, here is the current forum thread: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=96316p=1 (please note that the information there gets quickly out of date, check the wiki). if there is a a real ready systemd replacement for archlinux, make the devs interested. I'd say it is ready for brave alpha-testers :-) Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) It looks that way so far ;-) -t
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Saturday, January 22, 2011 01:28:50 pm Geoffrey Teale wrote: 2011/1/22 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net On Saturday, January 22, 2011 09:09:22 am Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama _hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Up to this point this thread has been ignore-able, but what sort of nonsense is this? Accusations of racism simply because your spam is being identified as such? What 'spam' is is decided by the recipients. I personally think this whole thread is spam. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this list in thinking that. The fact he called it racism smells of a troll to me. Trolls are worse than spammers. Isn't that a little bit trollist? We have to be tolerant of other cultures, if we oppress trollish people they will organise and rise up against us. See this interesting documentary for what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGlSAtb-SDw I'm racist against trolls. Am I a horrible person?
Re: [arch-general] GPT slower than MBR, although both are properly aligned?
Hi again, well after looking at these numbers once again, I've tried the only thing left to do, which was to get the second partition ended in both partition schemes equally, which was 31277055. Although I loose more space at the end now, I get full speed on both partitions. So, it seems that not only the starting sectors have to be aligned, but also the ending ones, or at least the ending one of the last partition. It's just quite strange that it has worked with MBR so well, as 31277231 + 1 isn't a multiple of 2048? Therefore it must be something inside of the controller, which is responsible for the bad result. As already said I'm using a Kingston S100 (quite new), can anyone confirm this (either on this SSD, or on any other)? If this is a general issue the partition programs have to be updated once again ;). I'm waiting for any response before submitting this upstream. Best regards, Karol Babioch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 13:58 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: On Saturday, January 22, 2011 01:28:50 pm Geoffrey Teale wrote: 2011/1/22 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net On Saturday, January 22, 2011 09:09:22 am Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama _hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? Meeku: our means the whole mailing list. You should have used the word my and if you are a closet racist by condemning me from participating on this open mailing list then it does not do Arch Linux's reputation any good. Up to this point this thread has been ignore-able, but what sort of nonsense is this? Accusations of racism simply because your spam is being identified as such? What 'spam' is is decided by the recipients. I personally think this whole thread is spam. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on this list in thinking that. The fact he called it racism smells of a troll to me. Trolls are worse than spammers. Isn't that a little bit trollist? We have to be tolerant of other cultures, if we oppress trollish people they will organise and rise up against us. See this interesting documentary for what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGlSAtb-SDw I'm racist against trolls. Am I a horrible person? Are trolls a race? Speciesist?
Re: [arch-general] GPT slower than MBR, although both are properly aligned?
You need to consider the structures that are written at the start of the partition, aligning only the partition start may not be enough (read, it is not the partition start you need to align). You need to consider the amount of data these structures use so the data part of the partition is aligned to flash sector boundaries. I have seen an explanation of this somewhere (for ext3 I think) and it was a little tricky, it needs a really good understanding of the filesystem you are going to use. I don't know if all vendors use the same sector/unit size, however for reading the alignment should not matter (which is what you are doing with hdparm -tT, the T part is only an indication of the read speed from cache so it's probably even less meaningful). It is the writes to disk that are affected if they are not aligned to the flash sectors so I guess there is something else going on there. I may be wrong though ... it would not the the first time :p -- Mauro Santos
Re: [arch-general] GPT slower than MBR, although both are properly aligned?
Hi, Am 22.01.2011 23:29, schrieb Mauro Santos: It is the writes to disk that are affected if they are not aligned to the flash sectors so I guess there is something else going on there. No, you are right, for SSDs the alignment is only important for writing, as whole blocks of sectors get erased and have to be rewritten. At least I've read that somewhere. However, this doesn't explain my weird results, because hdparm -tT shouldn't write anything to the disk, should it? As I got it encrypted and lvm set on top of that with full speed, it seems that all is right so far, but this whole alignment stuff isn't as easy as it should be :(. Best regards, Karol Babioch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] GPT slower than MBR, although both are properly aligned?
On 22-01-2011 22:49, Karol Babioch wrote: No, you are right, for SSDs the alignment is only important for writing, as whole blocks of sectors get erased and have to be rewritten. At least I've read that somewhere. However, this doesn't explain my weird results, because hdparm -tT shouldn't write anything to the disk, should it? Hdparm shouldn't and doesn't write anything to disk as far as I know, that is why I said that something else must be interfering and gets you the results you presented. I have to agree with you that when using SSDs or newer drives with 4kB sectors but with 512B sectors emulation it is not very easy to get the alignment right. Maybe things will improve once the drives can report the true minimum sector size they use for writing, which I guess they should start doing soon or it will be a hidden bloody mess for everyone :p -- Mauro Santos
Re: [arch-general] GPT slower than MBR, although both are properly aligned?
Hi, Am 23.01.2011 00:45, schrieb Mauro Santos: Maybe things will improve once the drives can report the true minimum sector size they use for writing, which I guess they should start doing soon or it will be a hidden bloody mess for everyone :p I guess the problem is that most (all?) of these devices report wrong values to the drivers (for compatibility reasons), so the only possible way to encounter this problem would be to provide a database with the OS/drivers, which seems to be quite odd :(. Hopefully this will change in the near future ;). Best regards, Karol Babioch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Gnome Sound Events and Settings
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:38:08PM +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: ... Sound preferences exists only if you install pulseaudio and corresponding pulse package for gnome (pacman -S pulseaudio-gnome) I cannot find pulseaudio-gnome in standard repos. Or I should say, pacman doesn't find such a package. I haven't looked in AUR yet.
