Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Leon Jacobs]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Alper Kanat  wrote:
> After I've read the whole thread, I decided to give zsh a try and so far I
> liked it. Before that, I had custom scripts that handled ssh-agent, screen
> and many other things and now projects like OMZ takes care of it. However
> django seems to have a problem with it. I believe it can't set the paths
> correctly and therefore settings module cannot be found. So far I only
> experienced this problem.
>

I got round to giving OMZ a bash ( no pun intended :P ) too. For my
day to day terminal work it seems perfect so far...

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 02:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 03:33 +0300, Ionut Biru wrote:
> > Do you also have network-manager-applet?
> > The old polkit console+systemd patch broke the applet not the daemon.
> 
> [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ grep DAEMONS /etc/rc.conf
> # DAEMONS
> DAEMONS=(69switch_xorg.conf hwclock syslog-ng !network !netfs crond
> acpid dbus networkmanager rtirq)
> 
> [spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi network-manager-applet
> Name   : network-manager-applet
> Version: 0.9.4.1-1
> URL: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
> Licenses   : GPL
> Groups : None
> Provides   : None
> Depends On : networkmanager  libgnome-keyring  polkit-gnome  gtk3
> libnotify  gnome-icon-theme
>  mobile-broadband-provider-info  gconf  iso-codes
> Optional Deps  : gnome-bluetooth: for PAN/DUN support
> Required By: None
> Conflicts With : None
> Replaces   : None
> Installed Size : 5520.00 KiB
> Packager   : Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig)
> 
> Architecture   : x86_64
> Build Date : Tue 27 Mar 2012 12:31:46 PM CEST
> Install Date   : Thu 31 May 2012 03:28:01 PM CEST
> Install Reason : Explicitly installed
> Install Script : Yes
> Description: GNOME frontends to NetWorkmanager

PS: The applet is active in the Xfce panel.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 03:33 +0300, Ionut Biru wrote:
> Do you also have network-manager-applet?
> The old polkit console+systemd patch broke the applet not the daemon.

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ grep DAEMONS /etc/rc.conf
# DAEMONS
DAEMONS=(69switch_xorg.conf hwclock syslog-ng !network !netfs crond
acpid dbus networkmanager rtirq)

[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi network-manager-applet
Name   : network-manager-applet
Version: 0.9.4.1-1
URL: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
Licenses   : GPL
Groups : None
Provides   : None
Depends On : networkmanager  libgnome-keyring  polkit-gnome  gtk3
libnotify  gnome-icon-theme
 mobile-broadband-provider-info  gconf  iso-codes
Optional Deps  : gnome-bluetooth: for PAN/DUN support
Required By: None
Conflicts With : None
Replaces   : None
Installed Size : 5520.00 KiB
Packager   : Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig)

Architecture   : x86_64
Build Date : Tue 27 Mar 2012 12:31:46 PM CEST
Install Date   : Thu 31 May 2012 03:28:01 PM CEST
Install Reason : Explicitly installed
Install Script : Yes
Description: GNOME frontends to NetWorkmanager

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Ionut Biru]

On 08/08/2012 01:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 00:10 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Martin Zecher  wrote:
>>> Yes, please! Putting it in testing may solve my issues with
>>> networkmanagement applet.
>>
>> I didn't put it in testing as I guess it needs some discussion.
>> However, I committed what I have to svn so that everyone can have a
>> look easily, and I uploaded the packages here:
>> .
>>
>> This should work on both systemd and non-systemd systems. It would
>> particularly be interesting to get feedback from someone using
>> networkmanger to see if there are issues with the interaction there.
>>
>> -t
> 
> Hi I'm not running KDE, but Xfce, with
> 
> $ pacman -Qi networkmanager
> Name   : networkmanager
> Version: 0.9.4.0-6
> $ pacman -Qi polkit
> Name   : polkit
> Version: 0.105-1
> 

Do you also have network-manager-applet?
The old polkit console+systemd patch broke the applet not the daemon.


> and I'm nearly Poettering-free, so no PA, no systemd, just some
> libsystemd or so, regarding to dependencies.
> 
> $ sudo pacman -U polkit-0.107-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
> Targets (2): js-1.8.5-3  polkit-0.107-1
> 
> *restart*
> 
> If you receive this mail, then NM still works at the moment with
> 
> $ pacman -Qi polkit
> Name   : polkit
> Version: 0.107-1
> URL: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit
> Licenses   : LGPL
> Groups : None
> Provides   : None
> Depends On : glib2  pam  expat  libsystemd  js
> Optional Deps  : None
> Required By: accountsservice  colord  consolekit  gconf
> networkmanager  polkit-gnome  polkit-qt  rtkit
>  udisks  udisks2  upower
> Conflicts With : None
> Replaces   : policykit
> Installed Size : 1812.00 KiB
> Packager   : Tom Gundersen 
> Architecture   : x86_64
> Build Date : Tue 07 Aug 2012 11:58:36 PM CEST
> Install Date   : Wed 08 Aug 2012 12:20:46 AM CEST
> Install Reason : Installed as a dependency for another package
> Install Script : Yes
> Description: Application development toolkit for controlling
> system-wide privileges
> 
> Hth,
> Ralf
> 


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Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

[Jude DaShiell]

Another problem documented is that cfdisk makes a system incompatible 
for grub2 installation since grub2 expects everything to start at sector 
2048 and cfdisk starts everything at sector 63.

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Mauro Santos wrote:

> On 06-08-2012 23:20, David C. Rankin wrote:
> 
> > I noticed that too. Also, if you just follow the beginners guide without 
> > using
> > the grub2 page, you end up installing grub2 wrong because the beginners 
> > guide
> > omits the --target flag for grub-install. There should be links to:
> > 
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub2#Install_to_440-byte_MBR_boot_code_region
> > 
> > for the most common install. Instead the beginners_guide just says to:
> > 
> >   grub-install /dev/sda
> > 
> > which according to the grub2 wiki will result in the grub2 error on:
> > 
> > "source_dir doesn't exist"
> 
> After reading the wiki and the man page I did use only 'grub-install
> /dev/sda' and it worked without any problems for the 3 systems that I
> have converted to use grub2.
> 
> As I see it --target should not be needed if grub is going to run from
> the same machine/architecture it was installed with. The man page says:
> 
> --target=TARGET
> install GRUB for TARGET platform [default=current]
> 
> If grub can't decide correctly on what is the current platform, it
> sounds like a bug with grub and it should be reported upstream so it can
> be fixed.
> 
> 

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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Ray Kohler]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Tom Gundersen  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Martin Zecher  wrote:
>> Yes, please! Putting it in testing may solve my issues with
>> networkmanagement applet.
>
> I didn't put it in testing as I guess it needs some discussion.
> However, I committed what I have to svn so that everyone can have a
> look easily, and I uploaded the packages here:
> .
>
> This should work on both systemd and non-systemd systems. It would
> particularly be interesting to get feedback from someone using
> networkmanger to see if there are issues with the interaction there.

This works for me also. I have both logind and consolekit sessions
active. I'll note that I had to manually reload the dbus config, as it
tries to reload automatically before the install script runs, and
chokes on the polkitd user not being known yet.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Tom Gundersen]

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> Hi I'm not running KDE, but Xfce, with
>
> $ pacman -Qi networkmanager
> Name   : networkmanager
> Version: 0.9.4.0-6
> $ pacman -Qi polkit
> Name   : polkit
> Version: 0.105-1
>
> and I'm nearly Poettering-free, so no PA, no systemd, just some
> libsystemd or so, regarding to dependencies.
>
> $ sudo pacman -U polkit-0.107-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
> Targets (2): js-1.8.5-3  polkit-0.107-1
>
> *restart*
>
> If you receive this mail, then NM still works at the moment with
>
> $ pacman -Qi polkit
> Name   : polkit
> Version: 0.107-1
> URL: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit
> Licenses   : LGPL
> Groups : None
> Provides   : None
> Depends On : glib2  pam  expat  libsystemd  js
> Optional Deps  : None
> Required By: accountsservice  colord  consolekit  gconf
> networkmanager  polkit-gnome  polkit-qt  rtkit
>  udisks  udisks2  upower
> Conflicts With : None
> Replaces   : policykit
> Installed Size : 1812.00 KiB
> Packager   : Tom Gundersen 
> Architecture   : x86_64
> Build Date : Tue 07 Aug 2012 11:58:36 PM CEST
> Install Date   : Wed 08 Aug 2012 12:20:46 AM CEST
> Install Reason : Installed as a dependency for another package
> Install Script : Yes
> Description: Application development toolkit for controlling
> system-wide privileges


That's useful, thanks.

-t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 00:10 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Martin Zecher  wrote:
> > Yes, please! Putting it in testing may solve my issues with
> > networkmanagement applet.
> 
> I didn't put it in testing as I guess it needs some discussion.
> However, I committed what I have to svn so that everyone can have a
> look easily, and I uploaded the packages here:
> .
> 
> This should work on both systemd and non-systemd systems. It would
> particularly be interesting to get feedback from someone using
> networkmanger to see if there are issues with the interaction there.
> 
> -t

Hi I'm not running KDE, but Xfce, with

$ pacman -Qi networkmanager
Name   : networkmanager
Version: 0.9.4.0-6
$ pacman -Qi polkit
Name   : polkit
Version: 0.105-1

and I'm nearly Poettering-free, so no PA, no systemd, just some
libsystemd or so, regarding to dependencies.

$ sudo pacman -U polkit-0.107-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
Targets (2): js-1.8.5-3  polkit-0.107-1

*restart*

If you receive this mail, then NM still works at the moment with

$ pacman -Qi polkit
Name   : polkit
Version: 0.107-1
URL: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit
Licenses   : LGPL
Groups : None
Provides   : None
Depends On : glib2  pam  expat  libsystemd  js
Optional Deps  : None
Required By: accountsservice  colord  consolekit  gconf
networkmanager  polkit-gnome  polkit-qt  rtkit
 udisks  udisks2  upower
Conflicts With : None
Replaces   : policykit
Installed Size : 1812.00 KiB
Packager   : Tom Gundersen 
Architecture   : x86_64
Build Date : Tue 07 Aug 2012 11:58:36 PM CEST
Install Date   : Wed 08 Aug 2012 12:20:46 AM CEST
Install Reason : Installed as a dependency for another package
Install Script : Yes
Description: Application development toolkit for controlling
system-wide privileges

Hth,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Tom Gundersen]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Martin Zecher  wrote:
> Yes, please! Putting it in testing may solve my issues with
> networkmanagement applet.

I didn't put it in testing as I guess it needs some discussion.
However, I committed what I have to svn so that everyone can have a
look easily, and I uploaded the packages here:
.

This should work on both systemd and non-systemd systems. It would
particularly be interesting to get feedback from someone using
networkmanger to see if there are issues with the interaction there.

-t

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Alper Kanat]

After I've read the whole thread, I decided to give zsh a try and so far I
liked it. Before that, I had custom scripts that handled ssh-agent, screen
and many other things and now projects like OMZ takes care of it. However
django seems to have a problem with it. I believe it can't set the paths
correctly and therefore settings module cannot be found. So far I only
experienced this problem.

---
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Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

[Martin Zecher]

Yes, please! Putting it in testing may solve my issues with
networkmanagement applet.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Tom Gundersen  wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2012 7:48 PM, "Martin Zecher"  wrote:
> >
> > I also need a newer version of polkit, since the current one (105) broke
> > compatibility with kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Ray Kohler 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jan Steffens 
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Ray Kohler 
> > > wrote:
> > > >> As it's been marked out-of-date for a while, and I'm interested in
> it,
> > > >> I've done the work to upgrade the polkit package to 0.107. I've
> tested
> > > >> this package locally. The main value of this upgrade (for me at
> least)
> > > >> is systemd integration, including proper systemd-style bus
> activation.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, enabling systemd support removes consolekit support,
> > > > screwing over everyone not running systemd.
> > >
> > > Ah, I didn't know about that. Are you sure that's still the model used
> > > here with this upstream support? How would I test? I am running
> > > systemd, but I also use consolekit.
> > >
> > > >> This now wants a dedicated user and group, by default 'polkitd'.  I
> > > >> re-used 102, which was listed as 'policykit' in the UID/GID
> database.
> > > >> Hopefully it really was unused. The build depends on this user and
> group
> > > >> already being present (otherwise 'make install' fails to chown some
> > > >> directories, and polkitd fails to read them and dies).
> > > >
> > > > Ah, that sucks.
> > > > Any suggestions on how to handle this when building in clean chroots?
> > >
> > > I did my builds by building a broken package first (the 'make install'
> > > failure doesn't actually cause the build to fail), installing that
> > > (which created the user and group), and then building it again
> > > (getting a working package this time). Not very satisfactory, and not
> > > workable in a build chroot. Possibly it would work to allow the
> > > directories to get the wrong owner, and then chown them after make
> > > install, using the intended numeric UID/GID directly. Not very safe,
> > > as we might have polkitd:polkitd being something other than 102:102 on
> > > some systems for some reason.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Martin
> >
> > Código de novios Falabella: 585855-00 (gracias!)
> >
> > No envíen archivos pesados por mail.
> > Usen DropBox  (2GB +
> *500MB
> > bonus*) o SpiderOak<
> https://spideroak.com/download/referral/dd6b3051b5f1f10a5674d694f22dd3e8
> >(tras
> > registrarse vayan a 'buy more space' e ingresen el código
> > "worldbackupday" --> *8GB*)
>
> JGC: I have been using the newer polkit locally without problems for some
> months. Let me know if you want me to push it to testing.
>
> Tom
>



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Re: [arch-general] How to print to parallel printer with cups support removed?

[David C. Rankin]

On 08/07/2012 09:34 AM, Jan de Groot wrote:
> By installing cups-filters. The backends have moved over there.
> 

Thanks Jan! I'll see if there are any config changes needed and post back if
there are.

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Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Jayesh Badwaik]

On Monday 06 Aug 2012 04:57:33 Sébastien Luttringer wrote:
> Maybe one day zsh will become the default shell on arch :)

What a day that will be!!

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Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

[Squall Lionheart]

Arno and Ashkan,

> Is there any issue if I install it from your tarball, or shall I create
> first a PKGBUILD. which is normally the safest way.

Their is no issue with just following the instructions and using the Python
installer, except that if you want to remove the package you have to do it
manually.  That being said, you should always create a native package for
your distro of choice, simply to have better package organization and house
keeping.  If you create a PKGBUILD, would you share it with me, I have not
had the time to research writing one?

> i'm very interesting to use this app. but i usually use svn to backup /etc
> on my linux boxes.

SVN is a great tool and I use it as well for backing up certain items, such
as our DNS zone files (which is also backed using mime).  After you start
using mime to backup your system, it give the feel of having your entire
file system under source control.  This is because each backup that is made
creates a new copy of your file system which builds a history of your
files.  The lsmime tool that installs with it also provides the ability to
do a diff on a file and compare it to a version from your backups, and
their is a "lsmime changes" command that works similarly to "svn status".

Thank you
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Re: [arch-general] How to print to parallel printer with cups support removed?

[Jan de Groot]

On di, 2012-08-07 at 09:06 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Guys,
> 
>   How do we print to parallel printers now with cups 1.6.x?

By installing cups-filters. The backends have moved over there.

Re: [arch-general] How to print to parallel printer with cups support removed?

[David C. Rankin]

On 08/07/2012 09:06 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Guys,
> 
>   How do we print to parallel printers now with cups 1.6.x?
> 

I guess the question is what will need to be done to integrate cups-filters to
provide parallel print support in cups. Many businesses, mine included, still
have many of the Laserjet 4X series printers that are attached to linux boxes
via parallel ports. With serial and parallel print support completely removed
from cups 1.6, what will need to be done to insure these setups are able to
continue to do their job?

I have used --ignore for now to prevent cups upgrade on these machines, but I
need to know if the cups-filters will provide seamless print service for these
machines before allowing the cups upgrade. I have looked at the wiki and it
doesn't mention anything new about parallel setup. Does anybody know what will
need to be done with cups 1.6 to get this set up?



-- 
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[arch-general] How to print to parallel printer with cups support removed?

[David C. Rankin]

Guys,

  How do we print to parallel printers now with cups 1.6.x?

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Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

[ashkab rahmani]

i'm very interesting to use this app. but i usually use svn to backup /etc
on my linux boxes.

———
Ashkan R
On Aug 7, 2012 3:23 PM, "Arno Gaboury"  wrote:

> On 03/08/12||15:35, Squall Lionheart wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > A few weeks ago there was a thread regarding the best "Arch" way of
> backing
> > up /etc and I mentioned that I wrote a backup program that works very
> well
> > for that.  I promised I would let everyone know when my new version
> became
> > available, and today is that day.  I don't have an AUR package yet,
> however
> > an installer is provided and a "Quick Setup" can be found in the README.
> > The package contains full documentation and I am willing to answer
> > questions via email.  This is a very powerful and fully featured program
> > and I welcome any feedback.
> >
> > http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/
> >
> > Thank you
> > Squall
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> I am very interested in testing your backup tool, as I am really fed up
> of the one is use (deja-dup).
> Is there any issue if I install it from your tarball, or shall I create
> first a PKGBUILD. which is normally the safest way.
>
> Thank you.
>
>

Re: [arch-general] [solved] K3b upgarde is missing libkcddb

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 12:36 +0200, Karol Blazewicz wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf  
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 02:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I didn't find any information about this issue:
> >>
> >> warning: cannot resolve "libkcddb", a dependency of "k3b"
> >> :: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
> >> dependencies:
> >>   k3b
> >>
> >> Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
> >> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
> >> :: k3b: requires libkcddb
> >> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -S libkcddb
> >> error: target not found: libkcddb
> >> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Qi k3b
> >> Name   : k3b
> >> Version: 2.0.2-5
> >> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Qi libkcddb
> >> error: package 'libkcddb' was not found
> >> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Si libkcddb
> >> error: package 'libkcddb' was not found
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ralf
> >
> > Tried the upgrade several times before. I waited, wasn't impatient.
> >
> > :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/kdemultimedia-audiocd-kio?
> > [Y/n] Y
> > :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/libkcddb? [Y/n] Y
> > :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/libkcompactdisc? [Y/n] n
> 
> Please read the announcement:
> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023358.html
> 
> > Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> > the kdemultimedia-kioslave package has been removed and split into:
> > * kdemultimedia-audiocd-kio
> > * libkcddb
> > * libkcompactdisc
> 
> libkcddb is already available in [extra]
> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=libkcddb

Yes, I didn't run K3b, but see above, "Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave
with extra/libkcddb? [Y/n] Y" was available. For around 45 minutes it
wasn't available.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Mime backup program

[Arno Gaboury]

On 03/08/12||15:35, Squall Lionheart wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> A few weeks ago there was a thread regarding the best "Arch" way of backing
> up /etc and I mentioned that I wrote a backup program that works very well
> for that.  I promised I would let everyone know when my new version became
> available, and today is that day.  I don't have an AUR package yet, however
> an installer is provided and a "Quick Setup" can be found in the README.
> The package contains full documentation and I am willing to answer
> questions via email.  This is a very powerful and fully featured program
> and I welcome any feedback.
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/mime-backup/
> 
> Thank you
> Squall
> 

Hello,

I am very interested in testing your backup tool, as I am really fed up
of the one is use (deja-dup).
Is there any issue if I install it from your tarball, or shall I create
first a PKGBUILD. which is normally the safest way.

Thank you.

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

[Mauro Santos]

On 06-08-2012 23:20, David C. Rankin wrote:

> I noticed that too. Also, if you just follow the beginners guide without using
> the grub2 page, you end up installing grub2 wrong because the beginners guide
> omits the --target flag for grub-install. There should be links to:
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub2#Install_to_440-byte_MBR_boot_code_region
> 
> for the most common install. Instead the beginners_guide just says to:
> 
>   grub-install /dev/sda
> 
> which according to the grub2 wiki will result in the grub2 error on:
> 
> "source_dir doesn't exist"

After reading the wiki and the man page I did use only 'grub-install
/dev/sda' and it worked without any problems for the 3 systems that I
have converted to use grub2.

As I see it --target should not be needed if grub is going to run from
the same machine/architecture it was installed with. The man page says:

--target=TARGET
install GRUB for TARGET platform [default=current]

If grub can't decide correctly on what is the current platform, it
sounds like a bug with grub and it should be reported upstream so it can
be fixed.

-- 
Mauro Santos

Re: [arch-general] [solved] K3b upgarde is missing libkcddb

[Karol Blazewicz]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 02:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I didn't find any information about this issue:
>>
>> warning: cannot resolve "libkcddb", a dependency of "k3b"
>> :: The following package cannot be upgraded due to unresolvable
>> dependencies:
>>   k3b
>>
>> Do you want to skip the above package for this upgrade? [y/N] n
>> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
>> :: k3b: requires libkcddb
>> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -S libkcddb
>> error: target not found: libkcddb
>> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Qi k3b
>> Name   : k3b
>> Version: 2.0.2-5
>> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Qi libkcddb
>> error: package 'libkcddb' was not found
>> [root@archlinux virtualbox-hook]# pacman -Si libkcddb
>> error: package 'libkcddb' was not found
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>
> Tried the upgrade several times before. I waited, wasn't impatient.
>
> :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/kdemultimedia-audiocd-kio?
> [Y/n] Y
> :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/libkcddb? [Y/n] Y
> :: Replace kdemultimedia-kioslave with extra/libkcompactdisc? [Y/n] n

Please read the announcement:
http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023358.html

> Andrea Scarpino wrote:
> the kdemultimedia-kioslave package has been removed and split into:
> * kdemultimedia-audiocd-kio
> * libkcddb
> * libkcompactdisc

libkcddb is already available in [extra]
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=libkcddb

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Tom Gundersen]

On Aug 7, 2012 9:21 AM, "Nicolas Sebrecht"  wrote:
>
> The 07/08/12, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:21 AM, David Benfell 
wrote:
>
> > > But that latter is an issue. It may break an (I assume) unknown number
> > > of existing scripts if used for sh, so I think the likely conclusion
> > > would be that *both* bash (for sh compatibility) and zsh would have to
> > > be installed. I'm not opposed to this, but I'll certainly concede that
> > > there are valid points to be made in opposition.
>
> zsh emulates sh when invoked with that name (and so goes for ksh).

If I understand correctly there are known issues with the various shells'
emulation of sh. That's why bash will not go away.

Just to be clear: We are just using zsh as the interactive shell on the
instal media, not installing it by default, nor using it for sh.

> > We need /bin/bash and also /bin/sh to be provided by bash,
>
> For /bin/bash I understand but for /bin/sh I don't think so.
>
> Why /bin/bash is required? Is it because scripts have this shebang or
> the way they are written?

Both.

>
> >

Re: [arch-general] pacman from behind a proxy (not under my control)

[Nick Lanham]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:08:39 +0800
Oon-Ee Ng  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Nick Lanham 
> wrote:
> > Are you SURE the http_proxy is set when running the pacman command?
> >
> > Try doing something like (also add in the https proxy in case):
> >
> > user@host$ http_proxy='http://proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080'
> > ftp_proxy='...' https_proxy='...' pacman 
> >
> > I have a one line script that just has (i don't use ftp):
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > http_proxy='http://proxy:8080' https_proxy='https://proxy:8080' $*
> >
> > save as pprox and then run:
> >
> > user@host$ pprox pacman 
> >
> > and it works great.
> >
> > good luck!
> >
> Yes I'm sure, since I can exported it, and I can see it when running
> env, and wget works. Nothing in your script would change the env
> pacman is seeing on my machine. Thanks, however, it occured to me that
> the environment might have been changed by sudo, so once I change user
> it works.
> 
> Conclusion - PEBKAC, as you expected (though the exact problem was
> misdiagnosed). Sorry all for the noise. Forgot that I had set sudo on
> my previous laptop install to keep the environment variables, now to
> set that up for this desktop as well.

actually, sudo is exactly why I have the script, sorry, should have
noted that.  I do:

user@host$ sudo pprox pacman ...

having sudo inherit environment variables works as well.

Re: [arch-general] pacman from behind a proxy (not under my control)

[Oon-Ee Ng]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Nick Lanham  wrote:
> Are you SURE the http_proxy is set when running the pacman command?
>
> Try doing something like (also add in the https proxy in case):
>
> user@host$ http_proxy='http://proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080' ftp_proxy='...' 
> https_proxy='...' pacman 
>
> I have a one line script that just has (i don't use ftp):
>
> #!/bin/bash
> http_proxy='http://proxy:8080' https_proxy='https://proxy:8080' $*
>
> save as pprox and then run:
>
> user@host$ pprox pacman 
>
> and it works great.
>
> good luck!
>
Yes I'm sure, since I can exported it, and I can see it when running
env, and wget works. Nothing in your script would change the env
pacman is seeing on my machine. Thanks, however, it occured to me that
the environment might have been changed by sudo, so once I change user
it works.

Conclusion - PEBKAC, as you expected (though the exact problem was
misdiagnosed). Sorry all for the noise. Forgot that I had set sudo on
my previous laptop install to keep the environment variables, now to
set that up for this desktop as well.

Re: [arch-general] pacman from behind a proxy (not under my control)

[Nick Lanham]

Are you SURE the http_proxy is set when running the pacman command? 

Try doing something like (also add in the https proxy in case):

user@host$ http_proxy='http://proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080' ftp_proxy='...' 
https_proxy='...' pacman 

I have a one line script that just has (i don't use ftp):

#!/bin/bash
http_proxy='http://proxy:8080' https_proxy='https://proxy:8080' $*

save as pprox and then run:

user@host$ pprox pacman 

and it works great.

good luck!

On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:47:24 +0800
Oon-Ee Ng  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Eliseo Ocampos 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Oon-Ee Ng 
> > wrote:
> >> So I just tried a new install, it works and even got updated the
> >> first time. Left it over the weekend, now that I'm back on it
> >> (still quite bare, nothing much set up yet) I can't seem to get
> >> pacman connected to the mirrors.
> >>
> >> This machine is a university machine and needs to connect via
> >> proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080, so I've set http_proxy and
> >> ftp_proxy to the right values. Also substituted in the actual IP
> >> addresses with the same results.
> >>
> >> What happens is that all the mirrors get the following (with wget
> >> uncommented in pacman.conf, similar results even when not using
> >> wget) Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org|149.20.4.71|:80... failed:
> >> Connection timed out.
> >>
> >> Ironically, when I try to wget the db file itself through wget
> >> http://mirrrors.kernel.org/archlinux/testing/os/i686/testing.db it
> >> downloads fine Any idea what the problem could be?
> >
> > Hi there, try to add a trailing slash to your proxy URL:
> > proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080/
> >
> > HTH,
> > Eliseo.
> 
> Tried that, no difference. If its something as simple as that, my
> normal download using wget wouldn't work, would it?

Re: [arch-general] Trouble with "system" bell

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 18:15 -0700, Scott Lawrence wrote:
> I'm on a macbook, so there's no true system bell - I've installed xbelld to 
> replace it. Unfortunately, I still get no bell in terminal (rxvt or xterm or 
> st, using "echo -e \\a" or ^G or ^H^H^H), although running 'xkbbell' does 
> give 
> me the bell.
> 
> Searching online, I find this: 
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=883917#p883917 which seems 
> similar 
> (I tried chromium, and I do indeed get a bell there), but the solution of 
> "just use the system bell" won't work for me. The visualBell effect works, 
> but 
> that's not what I'm looking for.
> 
> Any tips on what's keeping the bell from being played from terminal? I've 
> tried "xset b" stuff, and I'm out of ideas.

Kernel module pcspkr? Or is this irrelevant regarding to "there's no
true system bell"?

Re: [arch-general] pacman from behind a proxy (not under my control)

[Oon-Ee Ng]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Eliseo Ocampos  wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Oon-Ee Ng  wrote:
>> So I just tried a new install, it works and even got updated the first
>> time. Left it over the weekend, now that I'm back on it (still quite
>> bare, nothing much set up yet) I can't seem to get pacman connected to
>> the mirrors.
>>
>> This machine is a university machine and needs to connect via
>> proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080, so I've set http_proxy and ftp_proxy to
>> the right values. Also substituted in the actual IP addresses with the
>> same results.
>>
>> What happens is that all the mirrors get the following (with wget
>> uncommented in pacman.conf, similar results even when not using wget)
>> Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org|149.20.4.71|:80... failed: Connection
>> timed out.
>>
>> Ironically, when I try to wget the db file itself through wget
>> http://mirrrors.kernel.org/archlinux/testing/os/i686/testing.db it
>> downloads fine Any idea what the problem could be?
>
> Hi there, try to add a trailing slash to your proxy URL:
> proxy.name_of_uni.edu.my:8080/
>
> HTH,
> Eliseo.

Tried that, no difference. If its something as simple as that, my
normal download using wget wouldn't work, would it?

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Leon Jacobs]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeremiah Dodds
 wrote:
>
> If you're just getting started out with zsh, you might like Sorin
> Ionescu's fork of oh-my-zsh[1]
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto
>

/emote doesn't know what to do with all this candy!
Thanks! Will definitely check it out. ;)

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Regards
L.

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Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Leonidas Spyropoulos]

On 7 Aug 2012 08:56, "Jeremiah Dodds"  wrote:
>
>
> Well, all the canon arch scripts use #!/bin/bash, afaik[1] . Other than
> that, while I use zsh regularly and love it, a move to having it as the
> default shell would definitely require a lot of testing, if only because
> bash has become so ubiquitous that I'd worry about breakage due to
> non-POSIX "bashisms" being possibly relied on by a lot of scripts.
>
I first tests I guess would have to be done on the install scripts. Are the
install scripts shell agnostic?

>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Bash_Coding_Style
>
> --
> Jeremiah Dodds
>
> github : https://github.com/jdodds
> freenode   : exhortatory

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Jeremiah Dodds]

Leon Jacobs  writes:

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Tom Gundersen  wrote:
>> We need /bin/bash and also /bin/sh to be provided by bash, so the
>> 'bash' package is installed on the install media. We just install zsh
>> in addition and default to that as the interactive shell.
>>
>> Pierre explicitly said that he wanted to do this release as a test,
>> and if problems crop up in the feedback due to zsh, then we'll revert
>> it in a future release. So, please test and let us know of any
>> problems we might have overlooked.
>>
>
> On the contrary, this inspired me to try zsh out. Im loving it so far! :D

If you're just getting started out with zsh, you might like Sorin
Ionescu's fork of oh-my-zsh[1]

Footnotes: 
[1]  https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto

-- 
Jeremiah Dodds

github : https://github.com/jdodds
freenode   : exhortatory

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Jeremiah Dodds]

Nicolas Sebrecht  writes:

> The 07/08/12, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:21 AM, David Benfell  
>> wrote:
>
>> > But that latter is an issue. It may break an (I assume) unknown number
>> > of existing scripts if used for sh, so I think the likely conclusion
>> > would be that *both* bash (for sh compatibility) and zsh would have to
>> > be installed. I'm not opposed to this, but I'll certainly concede that
>> > there are valid points to be made in opposition.
>
> zsh emulates sh when invoked with that name (and so goes for ksh).
>
>> We need /bin/bash and also /bin/sh to be provided by bash,
>
> For /bin/bash I understand but for /bin/sh I don't think so.
>
> Why /bin/bash is required? Is it because scripts have this shebang or
> the way they are written?

Well, all the canon arch scripts use #!/bin/bash, afaik[1] . Other than
that, while I use zsh regularly and love it, a move to having it as the
default shell would definitely require a lot of testing, if only because
bash has become so ubiquitous that I'd worry about breakage due to
non-POSIX "bashisms" being possibly relied on by a lot of scripts.


Footnotes: 
[1]  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Bash_Coding_Style

-- 
Jeremiah Dodds

github : https://github.com/jdodds
freenode   : exhortatory

[arch-general] Re: New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Nicolas Sebrecht]

The 07/08/12, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:21 AM, David Benfell  
> wrote:

> > But that latter is an issue. It may break an (I assume) unknown number
> > of existing scripts if used for sh, so I think the likely conclusion
> > would be that *both* bash (for sh compatibility) and zsh would have to
> > be installed. I'm not opposed to this, but I'll certainly concede that
> > there are valid points to be made in opposition.

zsh emulates sh when invoked with that name (and so goes for ksh).

> We need /bin/bash and also /bin/sh to be provided by bash,

For /bin/bash I understand but for /bin/sh I don't think so.

Why /bin/bash is required? Is it because scripts have this shebang or
the way they are written?

>so the
> 'bash' package is installed on the install media. We just install zsh
> in addition and default to that as the interactive shell.
> 
> Pierre explicitly said that he wanted to do this release as a test,
> and if problems crop up in the feedback due to zsh, then we'll revert
> it in a future release. So, please test and let us know of any
> problems we might have overlooked.

I use zsh for years as default interactive shell without any issue.

-- 
Nicolas Sebrecht

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

[Leon Jacobs]

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Tom Gundersen  wrote:
> We need /bin/bash and also /bin/sh to be provided by bash, so the
> 'bash' package is installed on the install media. We just install zsh
> in addition and default to that as the interactive shell.
>
> Pierre explicitly said that he wanted to do this release as a test,
> and if problems crop up in the feedback due to zsh, then we'll revert
> it in a future release. So, please test and let us know of any
> problems we might have overlooked.
>

On the contrary, this inspired me to try zsh out. Im loving it so far! :D

-- 
Regards
L.

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