Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

[Zhengyu Xu]

On Sat, 2012-09-22 at 12:00 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu  wrote:
> 
> > Dear all,
> >
> > After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> > messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
> >
> > [   10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8 error
> > 4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a000+1a4000]
> > [   10.539700] systemd[1]: Caught , core dump failed.
> >
> > Downgrade to 189-4 can solve this problem. I want to know if this
> > is a personal problem or a general bug affecting others as well.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Z.
> >
> >
> Boots fine on my x86_64 desktop.
> 

Thank you, I forgot to say that mine is i686.

Re: [arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

[Aurko Roy]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Zhengyu Xu  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
> messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).
>
> [   10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8 error
> 4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a000+1a4000]
> [   10.539700] systemd[1]: Caught , core dump failed.
>
> Downgrade to 189-4 can solve this problem. I want to know if this
> is a personal problem or a general bug affecting others as well.
>
> Best regards,
> Z.
>
>
Boots fine on my x86_64 desktop.

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Re: [arch-general] sleep + lid events + kde => new problem - solved

[Jayesh Badwaik]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martín Cigorraga  wrote:
>>
>>  All is well!!
>>
>>
> Did you mean All Izz Well!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LltgOtFSg (from
> the movie "Three Idiots", a very great one)
> I love Bollywood!

Oh well! :-)

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Cheers
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Electronics and Communication Engineering
VNIT, INDIA
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[arch-general] testing/systemd 191-1 failed to boot

[Zhengyu Xu]

Dear all,

After updating systemd to 191-1 in testing repo, I had following
messages during booting and the process was stuck (crashed).

[   10.539416] systemd[1]: segfault at 7d ip b75a97b7 sp bfb0ece8 error
4 in libc-2.16.so[b752a000+1a4000]
[   10.539700] systemd[1]: Caught , core dump failed.

Downgrade to 189-4 can solve this problem. I want to know if this
is a personal problem or a general bug affecting others as well.

Best regards,
Z.

Re: [arch-general] finally got a talking archlinux installed!

[Martín Cigorraga]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Creation of a separate /boot partition helped.  I did it with syslinux,
> and have partition structure of /dev/sda1 /boot 50MB /dev/sda2 swap 1024MB
> /dev/sda3 /mnt 15440MB and /dev/sda4 /home remainder of the disk.  Since
> in this configuration, /dev/sda3 correctly points to /root I left it alone
> but edited syslinux.cfg to point at linux-lts and also changed ro to rw at
> the end of those append lines.  I did that after booting the machine and
> waiting an hour then hitting enter to get anything going.  I heard
> archlinux start talking but also heard message failed to create secure
> directory again.  So the rw on those append lines has if only temporarily
> enabled this system and disk writes to work.  I don't have authority to
> edit the beginner's guide, and do have to question if anyone really did
> follow those instructions to the letter and come out of it with a working
> system.
>
> ---
> jude 
> Adobe fiend for failing to Flash
>
>
>
Hey congratz, it's a sweet moment when one have finally the ball rolling =)
Regarding the wiki... well, it's just a wiki, providing you put enough care
with the final result I don't think there's any issue at all - on the
contrary, the only way to strengthen a community is  when it's members are
involved.

[arch-general] finally got a talking archlinux installed!

[Jude DaShiell]

Creation of a separate /boot partition helped.  I did it with syslinux, 
and have partition structure of /dev/sda1 /boot 50MB /dev/sda2 swap 1024MB 
/dev/sda3 /mnt 15440MB and /dev/sda4 /home remainder of the disk.  Since 
in this configuration, /dev/sda3 correctly points to /root I left it alone 
but edited syslinux.cfg to point at linux-lts and also changed ro to rw at 
the end of those append lines.  I did that after booting the machine and 
waiting an hour then hitting enter to get anything going.  I heard 
archlinux start talking but also heard message failed to create secure 
directory again.  So the rw on those append lines has if only temporarily 
enabled this system and disk writes to work.  I don't have authority to 
edit the beginner's guide, and do have to question if anyone really did 
follow those instructions to the letter and come out of it with a working 
system.

---
jude 
Adobe fiend for failing to Flash

Re: [arch-general] sleep + lid events + kde => new problem - solved

[Martín Cigorraga]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Genes MailLists  wrote:

> On 09/21/2012 10:39 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
>
>  All is well!!
>
>
Did you mean All Izz Well!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-LltgOtFSg (from
the movie "Three Idiots", a very great one)
I love Bollywood!

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Dave Warren]

On 9/21/2012 11:55, Guillermo Leira wrote:
Well... Solved. It is a new motherboard, and it has a setting (that 
I've never seen in any other one) that says "Memory Remap Feature". I 
don't understand that a motherboard has a default option that actually 
should appear as "Waste half of your memory". Thanks to all. :-) 
Guillermo Leira 


This generally enables better x86 compatibility, at the cost of x64 
memory availability.


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Re: [arch-general] libffado update

[Rashif Ray Rahman]

On 21 September 2012 21:36, Aapo Vienamo  wrote:
> Hello. I noticed that libffado was updated recently. It looks like that the 
> new
> version of libffado is incompatible with the version of jack in the arch 
> repos.
>
> To demonstrate the problem:
>
> aapo ~ $ jackd -dfirewire -r192000
> jackd 0.121.3
> Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben Hohn and 
> others.
> jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
>
> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
> loading driver ..
> firewire ERR: Incompatible libffado version! (libffado 2.1.0-Unversioned 
> directory)
> cannot load driver module firewire
> no message buffer overruns
>
> What should be done about this? I have tried jack2 but I found it too unstable
> to be actually useful.

Hi Aapo

Yes, please file a bug report. As I have no firewire port (let alone
device) I could not test the new update properly. I think I know where
this comes from, but a bug report will help us follow through with
your help in case of issues. Thanks.


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Re: [arch-general] sleep + lid events + kde => new problem - solved

[Genes MailLists]

On 09/21/2012 10:39 AM, mike cloaked wrote:

> 
> Any chance you may have a setting that could be changed in the KDE
> power management settings window to get this working again?
> 

 Spot on - in the KDE power management - there was a section called
'activities' - it was selected - deselecting and instead choosing 'dont
do anything special' .. fixed the issue ..

 All is well!!

I don't recall changing this but either it was the big kde update or I
did so accidently and was not aware ...

Thanks!

gene/

Re: [arch-general] NetworkManager update - problematic for ipw2200

[mike cloaked]

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM, mike cloaked  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM, mike cloaked  wrote:
>> I was away for a few days but this evening returned and updated a
>> laptop which has ipw2200 wireless - and the updates included
>> NetworkManager 0.9.6 - after rebooting the machine the wireless
>> connection fails within seconds - despite ifconfig and ifconfig
>> showing a normal connection - this is for a KDE D.E. with plasma
>> networkmanagement which was also updated this evening. This now shows
>> what appears to be a normal wireless signal strength which has not
>> been the case for a long time - but the connection is a major bug.
>>
>> I have seen another post on the forums where a user has similar
>> problems to me but with different wireless hardware.
>>
>> It is odd - the key indicators seem to show that the connection is
>> fine but a browser fails to connect - ssh will connect but the
>> connection will hang within seconds. pacman fails to connect to the
>> servers except very very slowly and times out - despite another arch
>> machine working perfectly well with different wireless hardware!
>>
>> Anyone else seeing something similar?  I guess I will need to
>> downgrade networkmanager till this is fixed.
>>
>
> Oddly today it is working fine - I am now wondering if it is a
> hardware fault that is intermittent...   further testing needed - and
> maybe replace wifi card!
>

Wifi card replaced and since then the wireless has been flawless - so
this is resolved.

-- 
mike c

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Guillermo Leira]

> -Mensaje original-
> De: arch-general [mailto:arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org] En nombre de Ralf
> Mardorf
> Enviado el: viernes, 21 de septiembre de 2012 14:49
> Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux
> Asunto: Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory
> 
> On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 16:17 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Roel Deckers wrote:
> >
> > > Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
> > > It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be
> > > seeing
> > > > just four. What have I done wrong?
> > > >
> > > > Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report only
> 4
> > > > GB.

> > You could try running memtest86+ on boot and see if it detects the
> > additional memory.
> 
> I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
> people have this issue too.
> 
> On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
> graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
> that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
> settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
> driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
> machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
> or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
> distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
> about 32-bit and PAE issues.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

Well... Solved. It is a new motherboard, and it has a setting (that I've never 
seen in any other one) that says "Memory Remap Feature". I don't understand 
that a motherboard has a default option that actually should appear as "Waste 
half of your memory".

Thanks to all. :-)

Guillermo Leira

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

[Guus Snijders]

Op 21 sep. 2012 03:47 schreef "Martín Cigorraga"  het
volgende:
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 20:38 -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> > Do you create a new user for them, you
> > > give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to
use
> > > a live CD? What?
> >
> >
> WHAT? You can't be so naive dude, I would promptly give my life than my
> pwd!!! Which reminds me: http://xkcd.com/538/

;-)
Thats also known as "rubber hose cryptanalysis". The name says it all.

mvg, Guus

Re: [arch-general] / mounted ro after update

[Guus Snijders]

Op 21 sep. 2012 09:00 schreef "P .NIKOLIC"  het
volgende:
>
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:26:54 +0100
> "P .NIKOLIC"  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:07:55 +0100
> > Kevin Chadwick  wrote:
> >
> > > > all disc ID's are correct  so what has been screwed up this was
> > > > perfect until the update  or am i going to be forced to
> > > > re-install   not an option i look forward to
> > >
> > > A workaround rather than a fix but may help investigate or fix the
> > > odd machine. Have you tried switching out the
> > >
> > > UUID=a1439104-fcea-4c90-b0fb-2340154a9eae for /dev/sda3 in fstab?
> > >
> Right then lets get back on thread here

yes, you're right.

> Still with this problem of mounted ro i have been doing a little bit of
> messing  and the result is to say the very least strange and out there
> somewhere .
>
> Bring the box up init3   all drives mount ok  sda1 sda3 & sda4 all
> mount rw
>
> bring the machine up with KDM  sda3 and sda4 both show ro but if i do
> not actually log into KDE and Ctrl Alt F1 to a text prompt login as
> root  mount shows all drives correctly mounted rw  the  Alt F7 log
> into KDE then check and the drives have been re  mounted ro

Ok, so only after logging in to kde are the drives mounted ro?
Sounds like an automounter going haywire.

I'm not familliar with current KDE's, but maybe you can try creating a new
user and see what happens when you log in with that.
If that works ok, it's a problem with your KDE config.

mvg, Guus

Re: [arch-general] / mounted ro after update

[Guus Snijders]

Op 21 sep. 2012 06:46 schreef "Jude DaShiell"  het
volgende:
>
> What's a good size number for a /boot partition?  Needs to be large
> enough kernel updates don't break the computer if possible or a
> reasonable estimate to that end.

Let's say 250 MB.
Small enough that you don't miss the space, large enough to hold an small
rescue system and/or memtest.

> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012, Guus Snijders wrote:
>
> > Op 20 sep. 2012 10:03 schreef "Jude DaShiell" 
het
> > volgende:
> > [...]
> > >  Also, I did learn syslinux does not
> > > support xfs the root of the disk could not be found whenever I used
xfs.
> > >  Grub-legacy I think is gone and grub-bios didn't work and neither did
> > > lilo.  I can try more things later but not without some suggestions
and
> > > sighted assistance to tell me what the next failing boot screen
> > > produces.
> >
> > Well, for the bootloader part: how about a "small" partition for /boot,
> > with an ext2/3 filesystem?
> > Works every time ;-)

mvg, Guus

Re: [arch-general] Has arch considered switching x86 to PAE by default

[Kevin Chadwick]

> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick  wrote:
> > I read not too long ago that one of the major distros is switching to
> > PAE by default but I forget which distro, maybe Ubuntu.
> >
> > Has arch considered PAE by default.  
> 
> It has been discussed repeatedly in the past. Consensus seems to be
> that it is a bad idea.
> 
> E.g.: 
> ,
> or .

Fair enough, whilst I think the link (if it is by Linus) is over the top
I assume he must have good reason for being so flagrant.

I assume the main point is install 64-bit, some have said 64-bit is
slower in some respects but I expect that's marginal and will be glad
when everything runs perfectly on 64-bit.

I will say I have 4 OS running on a PAE kernel right now using >3Gig of
mem and it's running well but I did also disable PAE along with various
other things on one system that was struggling with performance.

Seems 12.04 may have moved to PAE by default but I'm not sure of that?

http://askubuntu.com/questions/122841/why-is-12-04-using-a-pae-dependent-kernel-by-default

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universal interface'

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Re: [arch-general] Has arch considered switching x86 to PAE by default

[Tom Gundersen]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick  wrote:
> I read not too long ago that one of the major distros is switching to
> PAE by default but I forget which distro, maybe Ubuntu.
>
> Has arch considered PAE by default.

It has been discussed repeatedly in the past. Consensus seems to be
that it is a bad idea.

E.g.: 
,
or .

Re: [arch-general] sleep + lid events + kde => new problem

[mike cloaked]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Genes MailLists  wrote:
>
>
> Seems other events have stopped being processed as well - e.g.
>
> unplugging a/c and going to battery - laptop beeps - but screen no
> longer dims -
>
> Again - I can dim screen by hand by doing something like this:
>
>   echo '11' > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
>
> This has been flaky a while but usually worked at least some of the time
> - now its just not working period.
>
>  I wonder if udev responsible for this? Looks like I upgraded systemd at
> the end of last month to 189-4 ... seems unlikely it took me till last
> weekend to notice this .. but I can be slow at times :-)
>
> kde had a bunch of updates sep 4 (4.9.0 to 4.9.1).. again a week or so back
>
> If anyone has suggestions how to get these working again would be
> appreciated .. not fatal as I can do everything by hand but since things
> used to work be ncie to get them working again.
>
> gene

Any chance you may have a setting that could be changed in the KDE
power management settings window to get this working again?

-- 
mike c

[arch-general] Has arch considered switching x86 to PAE by default

[Kevin Chadwick]

I read not too long ago that one of the major distros is switching to
PAE by default but I forget which distro, maybe Ubuntu.

Has arch considered PAE by default.

-- 
___

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)
___

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 10:52 -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
> 2012/9/21 Ralf Mardorf 
> 
> > On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 16:17 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Roel Deckers  > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
> > > > It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be
> > > > seeing
> > > > > just four. What have I done wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report
> > only 4
> > > > > GB.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Guillermo Leira
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You could try running memtest86+ on boot and see if it detects the
> > > additional memory.
> >
> > I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
> > people have this issue too.
> >
> > On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
> > graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
> > that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
> > settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
> > driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
> > machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
> > or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
> > distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
> > about 32-bit and PAE issues.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> >
> > Ralf, if I got right you can't find the buffer memory right?  Assuming you
> got a gpu why don't you disable the buffer on the bios?

It is disabled in the BIOS and in the past there where no issues. I
don't know when this issue occurred for the first time, but there where
no BIOS updates, just kernel updates.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: Can't see all my memory

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 14:48 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
> > people have this issue too.
> > 
> > On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
> > graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
> > that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
> > settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
> > driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
> > machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
> > or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
> > distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
> > about 32-bit and PAE issues.
> 
> Yes on 64 bit systems you will see the maximum memory. On 32 bit you
> need a PAE enabled kernel to get any more than 4Gig. If you have less
> than 4Gig you may want to use the PAE kernel in any case because if you
> have a relatively modern cpu it will support hardware Non execute
> protection. On a non-PAE kernel you will see NX protection disabled or
> such in dmesg.

I'm using 64-bit architecture.
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ uname -a
Linux archlinux 3.4.4-rt14-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Jul 20 13:16:40
UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ hwinfo --memory
01: None 00.0: 10102 Main Memory
  [Created at memory.66]
  Unique ID: rdCR.CxwsZFjVASF
  Hardware Class: memory
  Model: "Main Memory"
  Memory Range: 0x-0xf7b84fff (rw)
  Memory Size: 3 GB + 768 MB

[arch-general] Laptop auto shudown

[大熊]

I have a fresh installed laptop, DE is lxde. It is a clean system, no more
tweak.

Recently I found a strange problem: after I close the lid about 5 minutes,
laptop will shutdown itself!

I donot remeber I have do some setting about power management, and I have
installed pm-utils, but not acpid.

Is it a default feature of archlinux on laptop?

-- 
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看着女儿一天天长大，可惜我还是菜鸟

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Victor Silva]

2012/9/21 Ralf Mardorf 

> On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 16:17 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Roel Deckers  >wrote:
> >
> > > Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
> > > It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be
> > > seeing
> > > > just four. What have I done wrong?
> > > >
> > > > Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report
> only 4
> > > > GB.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> > > > Guillermo Leira
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > You could try running memtest86+ on boot and see if it detects the
> > additional memory.
>
> I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
> people have this issue too.
>
> On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
> graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
> that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
> settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
> driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
> machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
> or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
> distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
> about 32-bit and PAE issues.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> Ralf, if I got right you can't find the buffer memory right?  Assuming you
got a gpu why don't you disable the buffer on the bios?

Re: [arch-general] libffado update

[Allan McRae]

On 21/09/12 23:36, Aapo Vienamo wrote:
> Hello. I noticed that libffado was updated recently. It looks like that the 
> new
> version of libffado is incompatible with the version of jack in the arch 
> repos.
> 
> To demonstrate the problem:
> 
> aapo ~ $ jackd -dfirewire -r192000
> jackd 0.121.3
> Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben Hohn and 
> others.
> jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
> under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
> 
> JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
> loading driver ..
> firewire ERR: Incompatible libffado version! (libffado 2.1.0-Unversioned 
> directory)
> cannot load driver module firewire
> no message buffer overruns
> 
> What should be done about this? I have tried jack2 but I found it too 
> unstable 
> to be actually useful.
> 

bugs.archlinux.org

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: Can't see all my memory

[Kevin Chadwick]

> I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
> people have this issue too.
> 
> On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
> graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
> that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
> settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
> driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
> machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
> or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
> distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
> about 32-bit and PAE issues.

Yes on 64 bit systems you will see the maximum memory. On 32 bit you
need a PAE enabled kernel to get any more than 4Gig. If you have less
than 4Gig you may want to use the PAE kernel in any case because if you
have a relatively modern cpu it will support hardware Non execute
protection. On a non-PAE kernel you will see NX protection disabled or
such in dmesg.

-- 
___

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)
___

[arch-general] libffado update

[Aapo Vienamo]

Hello. I noticed that libffado was updated recently. It looks like that the new
version of libffado is incompatible with the version of jack in the arch repos.

To demonstrate the problem:

aapo ~ $ jackd -dfirewire -r192000
jackd 0.121.3
Copyright 2001-2009 Paul Davis, Stephane Letz, Jack O'Quinn, Torben Hohn and 
others.
jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details

JACK compiled with System V SHM support.
loading driver ..
firewire ERR: Incompatible libffado version! (libffado 2.1.0-Unversioned 
directory)
cannot load driver module firewire
no message buffer overruns

What should be done about this? I have tried jack2 but I found it too unstable 
to be actually useful.

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 16:17 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Roel Deckers wrote:
> 
> > Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
> > It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that
> > problem.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira 
> > wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be
> > seeing
> > > just four. What have I done wrong?
> > >
> > > Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report only 4
> > > GB.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Guillermo Leira
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> You could try running memtest86+ on boot and see if it detects the
> additional memory.

I never heard that anybody solved this issue, but I read that many
people have this issue too.

On my computer there are only 3 GB + 768 MB of 4 MB available. The
graphics has got it's own framebuffer, 256 MB, but IIRC I once have seen
that the framebuffer is 512 MB. I guess I can see it running NVIDIA
settings, but at the moment I can't run it, because I'm using the nv
driver. IIRC memtest86+ did always show the complete memory on my
machine. I don't care, since it doesn't make a difference if I got 4GB
or 3.8GB. However, I read often about this 8GB issue, for different
distros. And it where definitive threads about 64-bit architecture, not
about 32-bit and PAE issues.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Cannot see tty after starting X

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 16:04 +0530, Aurko Roy wrote:
> I downgraded to xf86-video-nouveau 1.0.1-1 and the ttys are working again.
> I guess the latest update (1.0.2-1) is buggy.

I switched from my on-board ATI to an PCIe NVIDI card.
At the moment I struggle with issues regarding to real-time audio and
MIDI. In the past I used nv and nvidia with other distros and older
kernels and I had no issues. Nouveau didn't work in the past.

At the moment real-time using nv, and nouveau doesn't work as needed and
nvidia-rt doesn't work.

I'm undecided what I'll try the next. Perhaps I'll remove the NVIDIA
card and test if the ATI is the better choice at the moment.

I also will compare Arch with other installs on my machine.

At the moment NVIDIA for my Arch Linux is a PITA. First I had issues to
switch back from nouveau to nv. Hopefully switching to ATI and as the
case may be, switching back will be easier.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Bigby James]

Please, please /please/ don't recommend spin-offs as "Arch Lite" or "Arch
Made Easy" or anything like that.  Neither Manjaro nor Chakra are closely
related to Arch, and giving folks the impression that they are just leads
them to ask for help on our forums--where they get the brush-off--and
everyone ends up unhappy.  It's enough to mention that Arch doesn't offer
what the OP wants.



On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Frederic Bezies wrote:

> On 21/09/2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:
>
>> When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
>> Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
>> difficult for me.
>>
>>
> If you're looking for a more simpler installation program, check manjaro
> linux - http://www.manjaro.org/ or Chakra Linux -
> http://www.chakra-project.org/
>
> --
> Frederic Bezies - fredbez...@gmail.com
> Blog : 
> http://frederic.bezies.free.**fr/blog/
>

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

[Manolo Martínez]

Thanks to everyone for the comments. Let me say, lest I'm taken to be
even more clueless than I am, that I am aware that live CDs and
alternative users are no real protection. They will probably work as a
signal that I'd prefer my data not to be browsed, though, and that's enough for
me, I think.

M

On 09/21/12 at 12:26am, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> I just had my x220 repaired at a small place. I told them I used linux
> exclusively and that I didn't want to give out my password. They understood
> and everything went ok.
> 
> Typically they just want your password to verify that everything works and
> maybe to run a quick system cleanup which is very common. In my case I was
> having part of the screen fixed and obviously did not need it.
> 
> this is a good time to keep a small windows installation handy but empty
> and just sent the grub default 2 windows when you are going to the shop
> On Sep 20, 2012 9:55 PM, "Manolo Martínez"  wrote:
> 
> > On 09/20/12 at 10:46pm, Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf <
> > ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 20:38 -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> > > > Do you create a new user for them, you
> > > > > give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to
> > use
> > > > > a live CD? What?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > WHAT? You can't be so naive dude, I would promptly give my life than my
> > > pwd!!! Which reminds me: http://xkcd.com/538/
> >
> > Yep, that's why I was asking. I think I'll just create another user for
> > them. This will at least protect my files from casual browsing. Although
> > Ralf's probably right they don't give a rat's ass.
> >
> > Manolo
> > --
> >

-- 

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 18:09 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
> On 21/09/12 18:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:
> > When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu, 
> > Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very 
> > difficult for me.
> > 
> 
> Ha ha ha...   best troll ever!

Jan, IMO the installers for Ubuntu, Fedora and openSUSE are still not
good. 1. For dummies they are still to complicated and 2. for those with
a little bit or much knowledge, the so called "expert options" still
don't satisfy the need to set up an individual Linux as needed.

I don't know the current Arch installer, I used
"archlinux-2011.08.19-core dual" downloaded at 07 December 2011, IIRC it
was easy to use and fit to my needs. No irrelevant software was
installed. IIRC the only drawback was that no easy to use editor shipped
with the CD. I had to use vi or vim, OTOH I wasn't aware that mcedit is
easy to use, perhaps it was installed too. However, if mcedit shouldn't
be part of the installer, I hope it will be included in the future.

If you wish X and a desktop to be installed by default, I agree that for
dummies such a media should be available too and there is such a media
available. Sorry, I don't know the link, but I'm sure somebody will post
a link.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Aurko Roy]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Roel Deckers wrote:

> Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
> It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that
> problem.
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira 
> wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be
> seeing
> > just four. What have I done wrong?
> >
> > Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report only 4
> > GB.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Guillermo Leira
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

You could try running memtest86+ on boot and see if it detects the
additional memory.

-- 
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Re: [arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Roel Deckers]

Does the missing memory show up in other OSs?
It can be faulty ram if it doesn't show up in any OS, recently had that problem.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Guillermo Leira  wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be seeing
> just four. What have I done wrong?
>
> Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report only 4
> GB.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Guillermo Leira
>
>
>
>

[arch-general] Can't see all my memory

[Guillermo Leira]

Hello!

I've installed an x86_64 Arch on a PC with 8 GB, but it seems to be seeing
just four. What have I done wrong?

Bios sees 4 x 2GB Modules and reports 8 GB, but top or free report only 4
GB.

Best Regards

Guillermo Leira

Re: [arch-general] Cannot see tty after starting X

[Aurko Roy]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Aurko Roy  wrote:

> Hi,
>I am unable to see the ttys immediately after starting X. Neither the
> original tty from which X was started nor the other unused ones seem to be
> visible. I have an Nvidia graphics card and I have tried using both the
> nouveau as well as the proprietary nvidia driver - but neither seem to
> work. I had faced this problem earlier with nouveau but the nvidia driver
> used to work perfectly fine.
>
> Has anybody else faced this issue?
>
> --
> Aurko Roy
> GPG key: 0x20C5BC31
> Fingerprint:76B4 9677 15BE 731D 1949  85BA 2A31 B442 20C5 BC31
>

I downgraded to xf86-video-nouveau 1.0.1-1 and the ttys are working again.
I guess the latest update (1.0.2-1) is buggy.

-- 
Aurko Roy
GPG key: 0x20C5BC31
Fingerprint:76B4 9677 15BE 731D 1949  85BA 2A31 B442 20C5 BC31

[arch-general] Cannot see tty after starting X

[Aurko Roy]

Hi,
   I am unable to see the ttys immediately after starting X. Neither the
original tty from which X was started nor the other unused ones seem to be
visible. I have an Nvidia graphics card and I have tried using both the
nouveau as well as the proprietary nvidia driver - but neither seem to
work. I had faced this problem earlier with nouveau but the nvidia driver
used to work perfectly fine.

Has anybody else faced this issue?

-- 
Aurko Roy
GPG key: 0x20C5BC31
Fingerprint:76B4 9677 15BE 731D 1949  85BA 2A31 B442 20C5 BC31

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Jan Litwiński]

Dnia piątek, 21 września 2012 10:59:25 SanskritFritz pisze:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jan Litwiński  
wrote:
> > Dnia piątek, 21 września 2012 10:26:38 Lukas Jirkovsky pisze:
> >> On 21 September 2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński  
wrote:
> >> > When will Arch have more friendly installation program like 
Ubuntu,
> >> > Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it 
was very
> >> > difficult for me.
> >> 
> >> I guess Arch is probably not the right distro for you.
> > 
> > I installed once :)
> 
> Great, you don't have to care about installations anymore, one is 
enough :)

it was not as hard on my desktop computer, but now I have laptop, I 
don't know if I can configure system

-- 
Jan Litwiński
http://netsjanek.blogspot.com/
Linux is like a wigwam no gates
no windows but apache inside

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[SanskritFritz]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jan Litwiński  wrote:
> Dnia piątek, 21 września 2012 10:26:38 Lukas Jirkovsky pisze:
>> On 21 September 2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński  wrote:
>> > When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
>> > Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
>> > difficult for me.
>>
>> I guess Arch is probably not the right distro for you.
>
> I installed once :)

Great, you don't have to care about installations anymore, one is enough :)

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Jan Litwiński]

Dnia piątek, 21 września 2012 10:26:38 Lukas Jirkovsky pisze:
> On 21 September 2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński  wrote:
> > When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
> > Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
> > difficult for me.
> 
> I guess Arch is probably not the right distro for you.

I installed once :)
-- 
Jan Litwiński
http://netsjanek.blogspot.com/
Linux is like a wigwam no gates
no windows but apache inside

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Martín Cigorraga]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Allan McRae  wrote:

> On 21/09/12 18:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:
> > When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
> > Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
> > difficult for me.
> >
>
> Ha ha ha...   best troll ever!
>
>
LOL! xD

Arch's installation is trivial, just hold the Installation Guide and the
Beginner's Guide hands -like myself did long time ago- and enjoy the ride!
Installation Guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
Beginner's Guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide

If everything else fails you can just try Manjaro Linux or any other of the
Arch Linux-based distros, most of them listed here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Based_Distributions

In the end keep in mind @Lukas advice: Arch isn't really meant to be used
in a "canned" way.

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Pierre Schmitz]

Am 21.09.2012 10:12, schrieb Frederic Bezies:
> On 21/09/2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:
>> When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
>> Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
>> difficult for me.
>>
> 
> If you're looking for a more simpler installation program, check
> manjaro linux - http://www.manjaro.org/ or Chakra Linux -
> http://www.chakra-project.org/

Just keep in mind that you are not going to end up with an Arch
installation here. This is fine, but it seems people forget about this
on a regular basis when they ask for help on forums or our bug tracker.

Back to topic: the Arch installation will never get a lot easier as it
is now.

-- 
Pierre Schmitz, https://pierre-schmitz.com

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Lukas Jirkovsky]

On 21 September 2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński  wrote:
> When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
> Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
> difficult for me.

I guess Arch is probably not the right distro for you.

Re: [arch-general] / mounted ro after update

[Kevin Chadwick]

> What's a good size number for a /boot partition?  Needs to be large 
> enough kernel updates don't break the computer if possible or a 
> reasonable estimate to that end.

50 Meg per kernel should future proof, though I hope default kernels
never get that large.

-- 
___

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)
___

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

[Tom Gundersen]

On Sep 21, 2012 2:39 AM, "Manolo Martínez"  wrote:
>
> Just a quick question. What do you guys do when you have to leave your
> laptop at the repair shop? Do you create a new user for them, you
> give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to use
> a live CD? What?

Remove the HDD. Otherwise they might get the idea to wipe it or something
equally stupid.

If you are concerned about privacy then creating a separate user won't make
much difference long add they have the hardware.

Tom

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Frederic Bezies]

On 21/09/2012 10:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:

When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu,
Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very
difficult for me.



If you're looking for a more simpler installation program, check manjaro 
linux - http://www.manjaro.org/ or Chakra Linux - 
http://www.chakra-project.org/


--
Frederic Bezies - fredbez...@gmail.com
Blog : http://frederic.bezies.free.fr/blog/

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Allan McRae]

On 21/09/12 18:03, Jan Litwiński wrote:
> When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu, 
> Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very 
> difficult for me.
> 

Ha ha ha...   best troll ever!

[arch-general] Iinstallation program

[Jan Litwiński]

When will Arch have more friendly installation program like Ubuntu, 
Fedora, or opwnSUSE. I installed Arch some years ago and it was very 
difficult for me.

-- 
Jan Litwiński
http://netsjanek.blogspot.com/
Linux is like a wigwam no gates
no windows but apache inside

Re: [arch-general] [OT] Sending a laptop to the repair shop

[André Prata]

If it's not encrypted, creating another user does you no good, since anyone
with physical access to the computer can easily access all the files by
simply using a LiveCD, for example...

Just assume the worst at all times, and you will be fine!

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Manolo Martínez
wrote:

> On 09/20/12 at 10:46pm, Martín Cigorraga wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf <
> ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net>wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 20:38 -0400, Manolo Martínez wrote:
> > > Do you create a new user for them, you
> > > > give them your user and password and hope for the best, ask them to
> use
> > > > a live CD? What?
> > >
> > >
> > WHAT? You can't be so naive dude, I would promptly give my life than my
> > pwd!!! Which reminds me: http://xkcd.com/538/
>
> Yep, that's why I was asking. I think I'll just create another user for
> them. This will at least protect my files from casual browsing. Although
> Ralf's probably right they don't give a rat's ass.
>
> Manolo
> --
>

Re: [arch-general] / mounted ro after update

[P .NIKOLIC]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:26:54 +0100
"P .NIKOLIC"  wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:07:55 +0100
> Kevin Chadwick  wrote:
> 
> > > all disc ID's are correct  so what has been screwed up this was
> > > perfect until the update  or am i going to be forced to
> > > re-install   not an option i look forward to 
> > 
> > A workaround rather than a fix but may help investigate or fix the
> > odd machine. Have you tried switching out the
> > 
> > UUID=a1439104-fcea-4c90-b0fb-2340154a9eae for /dev/sda3 in fstab? 
> > 
Right then lets get back on thread here 

Still with this problem of mounted ro i have been doing a little bit of
messing  and the result is to say the very least strange and out there
somewhere .

Bring the box up init3   all drives mount ok  sda1 sda3 & sda4 all
mount rw

bring the machine up with KDM  sda3 and sda4 both show ro but if i do
not actually log into KDE and Ctrl Alt F1 to a text prompt login as
root  mount shows all drives correctly mounted rw  the  Alt F7 log
into KDE then check and the drives have been re  mounted ro

Can someone explain that one cus i am up a gum tree the years i have
been running Linux (Almost since day 1) i have never seen anything like
this 

Pete 



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