Re: [arch-general] GNOME Software: Status and integrable?

[Daniel Micay]

On 26/03/14 02:45 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
> On 03/25/2014 08:43 PM, Armin K. wrote:
>> On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the
>>> repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the
>>> current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application
>>> similar to an app store in the mobile world.
>>>
>>> I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even
>>> work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be
>>> integrated into the packet management system. The only reference
>>> I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from
>>> last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any
>>> real answers.
>>>
>>> On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really
>>> good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name
>>> their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits
>>> the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this
>>> particular application is available/works and if not what the
>>> technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is
>>> feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of
>>> Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line
>>> (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to
>>> be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
>>>
>>> Best regards, Karol Babioch
>>>
>>> [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]:
>>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
>>>
> 
>> Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've
>> seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package
>> is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software.
>> There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding
>> packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit
>> still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while
>> 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version.
> 
> 
> Salutations,
> 
> I can't find that thread, can you point me to it? Since Arch is
> bleeding edge, it's a bit strange for a package to be that out of date.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

You're welcome to add a libalpm backend to a newer version of PackageKit
if you think it's worth your time.



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Re: [arch-general] GNOME Software: Status and integrable?

[Mark Lee]

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On 03/25/2014 08:43 PM, Armin K. wrote:
> On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the
>> repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the
>> current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application
>> similar to an app store in the mobile world.
>> 
>> I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even
>> work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be
>> integrated into the packet management system. The only reference
>> I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from
>> last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any
>> real answers.
>> 
>> On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really
>> good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name
>> their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
>> 
>> I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits
>> the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this
>> particular application is available/works and if not what the
>> technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is
>> feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of
>> Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line
>> (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to
>> be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
>> 
>> Best regards, Karol Babioch
>> 
>> [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]:
>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
>> 
> 
> Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've
> seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package
> is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software.
> There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding
> packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit
> still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while
> 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version.
> 

Salutations,

I can't find that thread, can you point me to it? Since Arch is
bleeding edge, it's a bit strange for a package to be that out of date.

Regards,
Mark
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Re: [arch-general] GNOME Software: Status and integrable?

[Armin K.]

On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in
> the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of
> "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the
> mobile world.
> 
> I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work
> without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated
> into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in
> regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which
> basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
> 
> On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in
> using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their
> applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
> 
> I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the
> repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular
> application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles
> would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in
> the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to
> use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but
> I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of
> it ;).
> 
> Best regards,
> Karol Babioch
> 
> [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software
> [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
> 

Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've seen,
the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package is fairly
old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software. There was a
thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding packagekit not so
long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit still remained at
version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while 0.8 (maybe even 0.9)
is the latest available version.

-- 
Note: My last name is not Krejzi.

[arch-general] GNOME Software: Status and integrable?

[Karol Babioch]

Hi,

now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in
the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of
"Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the
mobile world.

I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work
without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated
into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in
regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which
basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.

On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in
using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their
applications, which are not great to search for :'(.

I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the
repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular
application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles
would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in
the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to
use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but
I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of
it ;).

Best regards,
Karol Babioch

[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software
[2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223



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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 23:35, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >
> > As for firefox, these two lines starts firefox, BUT in workspace 2, as
> > indicated in the i3 bar.
> >
> > exec firefox-aurora
> > assign [instance="^firefox-aurora$"] 1
> 
> exec --no-startup-id i3-msg 'workspace 1; exec firefox-aurora'  did the trick

Actually, looking at the above lines now, you should first 'assign' and then
'exec', which should be the last thing defined in the config.

--
jlk


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[arch-general] What's with F# and mono?

[Magnus Therning]

I'm just starting to dip my toes in the mono waters.  Slightly
prompted by my current situation at work.  In particular I'm
interested in F#, but I'm finding the whole situation around
mono/monodevelop + F# a bit confusing.

1. There are indications online that mono ships with F# [^1][^2].  But
   the mono package in Arch doesn't include F#.  Looking at the
   sources used to build the mono package there is no F# in sight.
   Was it ever there?

2. The package on AUR[^3] for fsharp is rather outdated.  Not such a
   big problem, the building received a lot of TLC so the package is
   extremely simple to bring up-to-date.

3. Is there an F# add-in for monodevelop?  There seems to have been
   one back in 2010, but it's not distributed any more, [^4].
   However, other places say there is an add-in available, [^5]
   (however, downloading fails).

So, can anyone help me get a clearer picture of F# on mono (and
ArchLinux)?

/M

[^1]: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Nov-11.html - talking of
plans to include F# in mono.

[^2]: http://is.gd/cNC5xb- - "F# is included in the standard Mono
release, but it's still missing from the MonoDevelop IDE."

[^3]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fsharp/

[^4]: http://is.gd/YndnsA- - bug on F# add-in missing, closed for MD
2.4, the last comment suggests it'd be re-opened

[^5]: http://is.gd/YndnsA- which links to
http://addins.monodevelop.com/Project/Index/48

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programmers have strong expectations about what programs should look like,
and when those expectations are violated--in seemingly innocuous
ways--their performance drops drastically.
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

>
> As for firefox, these two lines starts firefox, BUT in workspace 2, as
> indicated in the i3 bar.
>
> exec firefox-aurora
> assign [instance="^firefox-aurora$"] 1

exec --no-startup-id i3-msg 'workspace 1; exec firefox-aurora'  did the trick

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Lieven Moors  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 07:36:01PM +0100, arnaud gaboury wrote:
>> >
>> > See the other post, and please keep try to keep the problem solving linear 
>> > (as
>> > in "linear graph"), don't switch branches if possible.
>>
>> Mutt and weechat are on my TODO list
>
> This is hilarious...

Not sure what is hilarious, but adding this line in .xinitrc let me
with the correct keyboard maping:

setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout ch -variant fr


I do not see why it is needed as my .xorg already contains:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier   "keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "ch"
Option "XkbVariant" "fr"
EndSection

As for firefox, these two lines starts firefox, BUT in workspace 2, as
indicated in the i3 bar.

exec firefox-aurora
assign [instance="^firefox-aurora$"] 1

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Lieven Moors]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 07:36:01PM +0100, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >
> > See the other post, and please keep try to keep the problem solving linear 
> > (as
> > in "linear graph"), don't switch branches if possible.
> 
> Mutt and weechat are on my TODO list

This is hilarious...

Re: [arch-general] Error when I try update pacman -Syu

[LoneVVolf]

On 25-03-14 16:09, Maykel Franco wrote:

2014-03-24 18:58 GMT+01:00 Karol Blazewicz :

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Bächler  wrote:

Am 24.03.2014 17:18, schrieb Karol Blazewicz:

jre7 is in the AUR so pacman won't update it, but jre7-openjdk is in
the repos and provides the same 'item' as jre7: java-runtime=7
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jr/jre7/PKGBUILD
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/jre7-openjdk/
that's why they conflict.

That's not why they conflict. It's because jre7 explicitly has
java-runtime=7 as a conflict (among others). 'conflicts' has nothing to
do with 'provides'.


You seem to be using jre7. If you want to keep using it, you have to
keep jre7-openjdk out. Try adding it to IgnorePkg.

And how will that help?


root@arch-maykel /home/maykel/ # LANG=C yaourt -Rdd jre7-openjdk
error: target not found: jre7-openjdk

It seems that a package is updated and the newer version explicitly
depends on jre7-openjdk. This is probably a packaging error (although
after a quick glance at the repos, I cannot find any such package).


You're right, Thomas.
Maykel, install expac and run
expac "%n - %E" -S $(checkupdates) | grep jre7-openjdk


Thanks for all. This command not result anything


Maykel,

The error suggests you have jre7 installed from aur 
(https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jre7/ ).

Do you remember why you have that installed ?
the output of pacman -Qi jre7might also help to figure that out.

Lone_Wolf

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

>
> See the other post, and please keep try to keep the problem solving linear (as
> in "linear graph"), don't switch branches if possible.

Mutt and weechat are on my TODO list

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Mark Lee]

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On 03/25/2014 02:29 PM, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark Lee  wrote:
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>> I just tested out i3 myself, and if you launch it with startx (from
>> xorg-xinit), I don't have any issues launching chromium in the same TTY.
>>
>> See 
> 
> chromium  or firefox is starting fine now.
> 
> from i3 config
> exec firefox-aurora
> assign [instance="firefox-aurora"]  1
> 
> two issues remaining
> firefox starts on workspace 2
> my keyboard is in US
> 

Salutations,

Try changing the line to :
assign [class="firefox-aurora"] 1

I sent you a link on keyboard configuration in Xorg.

Regards,
Mark
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 19:17, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Jakub Klinkovský  wrote:
> > On 25.03.14 at 18:56, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >> >
> >> > i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
> >> > http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces
> >>
> >> No ?? really? Are you joking ?
> >
> > I'm certain. i3 workspaces are an implementation of "virtual desktop" [1], 
> > as
> 
> It seems that we don-t have same kind of joke. I know tty is not i3 workspace.
> 

Apologies. On the other hand, my post must have been really funny for you :)

> After a reboot, now I boot directly into i3. Fine, chromium is running .
> But my keyboard is still wrong. Any suggestion

See the other post, and please keep try to keep the problem solving linear (as
in "linear graph"), don't switch branches if possible.


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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

>
> The 'assign' directive will not start Chromium, you would need to combine it
> with 'exec'. Or have I misunderstood again?

That is OK now with adding the exec line


>> Furthermore, my keyboard is US, not the one I use.
>> Part of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>>
>> Section "InputDevice"
>> Identifier   "Keyboard0"
>> Driver"kbd"
>> Option "XkbLayout" "ch"
>> Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
>> Option "XkbVariant" "fr"
>> EndSection
>>
>> All my issues seem tied to a xserver  issue in fact.
>
> Is it /etc/X11/xorg.conf or some file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? This is a 
> long
> shot, but there might be a difference...

it is part of my xorg.conf. No xorg.conf.d. Shall I

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark Lee  wrote:
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> I just tested out i3 myself, and if you launch it with startx (from
> xorg-xinit), I don't have any issues launching chromium in the same TTY.
>
> See 

chromium  or firefox is starting fine now.

from i3 config
exec firefox-aurora
assign [instance="firefox-aurora"]  1

two issues remaining
firefox starts on workspace 2
my keyboard is in US

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 19:02, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >>>
> >>> According to the Arch Wiki :
> >>> ;
> >>> that seems to be the correct behavior.
> >>>
> >>> You are assigning chromium to be launched on tty1.
> 
> No, I am assigning chromium to be launched on WORKSPACE 1 !!
> 
> > I apologize I just caught the error myself as your email came in. Does
> > i3 require xorg-xserver, and if that's the case, is there already a
> > running instance of the xserver on TTY1(you mention you have mate).
> >
> Even if I boot directly into i3 in tty1, chromium is not started on workspace 
> 1.
> 

The 'assign' directive will not start Chromium, you would need to combine it
with 'exec'. Or have I misunderstood again?

> Furthermore, my keyboard is US, not the one I use.
> Part of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier   "Keyboard0"
> Driver"kbd"
> Option "XkbLayout" "ch"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
> Option "XkbVariant" "fr"
> EndSection
> 
> All my issues seem tied to a xserver  issue in fact.

Is it /etc/X11/xorg.conf or some file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? This is a long
shot, but there might be a difference...


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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Mark Lee]

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On 03/25/2014 02:17 PM, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Jakub Klinkovský  wrote:
>> On 25.03.14 at 18:56, arnaud gaboury wrote:

 i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
 http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces
>>>
>>> No ?? really? Are you joking ?
>>
>> I'm certain. i3 workspaces are an implementation of "virtual desktop" [1], as
> 
> It seems that we don-t have same kind of joke. I know tty is not i3 workspace.
> 
> After a reboot, now I boot directly into i3. Fine, chromium is running .
> But my keyboard is still wrong. Any suggestion
> 

Salutations,

I just tested out i3 myself, and if you launch it with startx (from
xorg-xinit), I don't have any issues launching chromium in the same TTY.

See 

Regards,
Mark
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Jakub Klinkovský  wrote:
> On 25.03.14 at 18:56, arnaud gaboury wrote:
>> >
>> > i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
>> > http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces
>>
>> No ?? really? Are you joking ?
>
> I'm certain. i3 workspaces are an implementation of "virtual desktop" [1], as

It seems that we don-t have same kind of joke. I know tty is not i3 workspace.

After a reboot, now I boot directly into i3. Fine, chromium is running .
But my keyboard is still wrong. Any suggestion

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 18:56, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> >
> > i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
> > http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces
> 
> No ?? really? Are you joking ?

I'm certain. i3 workspaces are an implementation of "virtual desktop" [1], as
Wikipedia calls it. I'm quite sure that MATE has its own implementation, but it
is likely very different from i3's. On the other hand, ttys are "virtual
consoles" [2], which is similar concept, but on lower level. The general rule is
that one X server cannot span multiple ttys.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console

--
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

>>>
>>> According to the Arch Wiki :
>>> ;
>>> that seems to be the correct behavior.
>>>
>>> You are assigning chromium to be launched on tty1.

No, I am assigning chromium to be launched on WORKSPACE 1 !!

> I apologize I just caught the error myself as your email came in. Does
> i3 require xorg-xserver, and if that's the case, is there already a
> running instance of the xserver on TTY1(you mention you have mate).
>
Even if I boot directly into i3 in tty1, chromium is not started on workspace 1.

Furthermore, my keyboard is US, not the one I use.
Part of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier   "Keyboard0"
Driver"kbd"
Option "XkbLayout" "ch"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbVariant" "fr"
EndSection

All my issues seem tied to a xserver  issue in fact.

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

>
> i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
> http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces

No ?? really? Are you joking ?

Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts

[Jonathan Arnold]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:00:57 +0100
Karol Blazewicz  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Doug Newgard 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:59 -0400
> >> From: jdarn...@buddydog.org
> >> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> >> Subject: [arch-general] Package conflicts
> >>
> >> I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages.
> >> liteide, which is an official Pacman package, has recently started
> >> to include the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via
> >> the AUR package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package
> >> called gocode-bin but no pacman package).
> >>
> >> So now when I try to update I get an error:
> >>
> >> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
> >> liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem
> >>
> >> This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
> >> gocode here. So I reported the problem:
> >>
> >> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607
> >>
> >> and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
> >> aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.
> >>
> >> Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the
> >> AUR package can do if some other package is going to just put any
> >> old binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it.
> >> Shouldn't the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'?
> >> Or conflicts or something besides just letting pacman complain
> >> about a file that exists in the filesystem?
> 
> See
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/log/trunk?h=packages/liteide
> ->
> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/liteide&id=58c9d99fd75dbfab1b4fa6f8b5fe0541fffaef4a
> 
> Package from the repos shouldn't conflict with other packages from the
> official repos, but there may be an issue with packages from the AUR.
> In this case, it's usually up to the AUR package maintainer to work
> around it.

So what happens if / when gocode moves to the official repo? What would
be the expected solution then?

-- 
Jonathan ArnoldWebstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io

If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
need a team ~ John Wooden

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Karol Blazewicz]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Jakub Klinkovský  wrote:
> On 25.03.14 at 18:18, arnaud gaboury wrote:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
>> settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).
>>
>> I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
>> chromium or firefox.
>>
>> On my i3 config. I have this line:
>>
>> assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
>> started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
>> opened.
>> Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
>> "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.
>>
>> It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.
>>
>> Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
>> start any web browser on tty2 ?
>>
>> Thank you for help.
>
> AFAIK, systemd does not (yet) support multi-session correctly - but this is
> mostly irrelevant, unless you want to use dbus.
>
> Anyway, I don't think this is supported at all - what would be the expected
> behaviour when you run the same browser profile on both tty1 and tty2 ?
> What would happen when file conflict arises (same profile means both instances
> use the same directory for data)?
>
> --
> jlk

Wrt firefox, try running 'firefox -P' and pick a new profile. 'firefox
-no-remote' may help too.

Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 18:18, arnaud gaboury wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
> settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).
> 
> I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
> chromium or firefox.
> 
> On my i3 config. I have this line:
> 
> assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1
> 
> Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
> started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
> opened.
> Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
> "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.
> 
> It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.
> 
> Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
> start any web browser on tty2 ?
> 
> Thank you for help.

AFAIK, systemd does not (yet) support multi-session correctly - but this is
mostly irrelevant, unless you want to use dbus.

Anyway, I don't think this is supported at all - what would be the expected
behaviour when you run the same browser profile on both tty1 and tty2 ?
What would happen when file conflict arises (same profile means both instances
use the same directory for data)?

--
jlk


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On 03/25/2014 01:32 PM, Jakub Klinkovský wrote:
> On 25.03.14 at 13:26, Mark Lee wrote:
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>> On 03/25/2014 01:23 PM, Jason Plum wrote:
>>> Verify there is no running instance of Chromium in any other session, as it
>>> spawns children withing its original session. I have seen this happen with
>>> X2go as well.
>>>
>>> Jason Plum
>>> WarheadsSE
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, arnaud gaboury 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear list,

 I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
 settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).

 I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
 chromium or firefox.

 On my i3 config. I have this line:

 assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1

 Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
 started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
 opened.
 Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
 "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.

 It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.

 Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
 start any web browser on tty2 ?

 Thank you for help.

>>
>> Salutations,
>>
>> According to the Arch Wiki :
>> ;
>> that seems to be the correct behavior.
>>
>> You are assigning chromium to be launched on tty1.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
> 
> i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
> http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces
> 

Salutations,

I apologize I just caught the error myself as your email came in. Does
i3 require xorg-xserver, and if that's the case, is there already a
running instance of the xserver on TTY1(you mention you have mate).

Regards,
Mark
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jakub Klinkovský]

On 25.03.14 at 13:26, Mark Lee wrote:
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> 
> On 03/25/2014 01:23 PM, Jason Plum wrote:
> > Verify there is no running instance of Chromium in any other session, as it
> > spawns children withing its original session. I have seen this happen with
> > X2go as well.
> > 
> > Jason Plum
> > WarheadsSE
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, arnaud gaboury 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Dear list,
> >>
> >> I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
> >> settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).
> >>
> >> I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
> >> chromium or firefox.
> >>
> >> On my i3 config. I have this line:
> >>
> >> assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
> >> started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
> >> opened.
> >> Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
> >> "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.
> >>
> >> It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.
> >>
> >> Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
> >> start any web browser on tty2 ?
> >>
> >> Thank you for help.
> >>
> 
> Salutations,
> 
> According to the Arch Wiki :
> ;
> that seems to be the correct behavior.
> 
> You are assigning chromium to be launched on tty1.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark

i3 workspace is *not* tty! See 
http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_using_workspaces


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On 03/25/2014 01:23 PM, Jason Plum wrote:
> Verify there is no running instance of Chromium in any other session, as it
> spawns children withing its original session. I have seen this happen with
> X2go as well.
> 
> Jason Plum
> WarheadsSE
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, arnaud gaboury 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
>> settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).
>>
>> I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
>> chromium or firefox.
>>
>> On my i3 config. I have this line:
>>
>> assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
>> started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
>> opened.
>> Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
>> "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.
>>
>> It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.
>>
>> Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
>> start any web browser on tty2 ?
>>
>> Thank you for help.
>>

Salutations,

According to the Arch Wiki :
;
that seems to be the correct behavior.

You are assigning chromium to be launched on tty1.

Regards,
Mark
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Re: [arch-general] browser and tty

[Jason Plum]

Verify there is no running instance of Chromium in any other session, as it
spawns children withing its original session. I have seen this happen with
X2go as well.

Jason Plum
WarheadsSE


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:18 PM, arnaud gaboury wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
> settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).
>
> I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
> chromium or firefox.
>
> On my i3 config. I have this line:
>
> assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1
>
> Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
> started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
> opened.
> Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
> "firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.
>
> It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.
>
> Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
> start any web browser on tty2 ?
>
> Thank you for help.
>

[arch-general] browser and tty

[arnaud gaboury]

Dear list,

I decided to get rid of my mate DE and go i3. Before I am testing my
settings on tty2 (Ctrl+Alt+F2) with a modify .xinitrc (exec i3).

I have a weird behavior as regarding my web browser, could it be
chromium or firefox.

On my i3 config. I have this line:

assign [instance="^chromium$"] → 1

Unfortunately, when I log in on tty2, there is no chromium being
started. When I am back on tty1 (mate session), I find chromium being
opened.
Then, on tty2, if I start manually firefox, I can't as I am told
"firefox is already running". Indeed it is but on tty1.

It seems like web browsers are "attached" to my tty1.

Is there any reason for this behavior? Shall I modify anything to
start any web browser on tty2 ?

Thank you for help.

Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts

[Doug Newgard]

> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:59:29 +0100
> From: ad...@progandy.de
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts
>
> Am 25.03.2014 16:33, schrieb Doug Newgard:
>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:59 -0400
>>> From: jdarn...@buddydog.org
>>> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
>>> Subject: [arch-general] Package conflicts
>>>
>>> I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages. liteide,
>>> which is an official Pacman package, has recently started to include
>>> the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via the AUR
>>> package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package called
>>> gocode-bin but no pacman package).
>>>
>>> So now when I try to update I get an error:
>>>
>>> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
>>> liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem
>>>
>>> This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
>>> gocode here. So I reported the problem:
>>>
>>> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607
>>>
>>> and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
>>> aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.
>>>
>>> Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the AUR
>>> package can do if some other package is going to just put any old
>>> binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it. Shouldn't
>>> the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'? Or conflicts or
>>> something besides just letting pacman complain about a file that exists
>>> in the filesystem?
>>>
>>> Carrying this a bit further, how would it or should it work if I did
>>> want to keep using gocode-git, but also use liteide?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Arnold Webstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io
>>>
>>> If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
>>> need a team ~ John Wooden
>> As I said, contact the AUR maintainer. There are really two options; first, 
>> he can add liteide to the conflicts array, in which case you can't have them 
>> installed together. Second, he can move the conflicting binaries. Either 
>> way, it's something that needs to be done in the AUR package.
>>
>> Doug
> As far as I know, gocode is a go library (go package?). For python, each
> library is packaged separately, why is it different for go?
>
> Andreas

3rd party python libraries are packaged separately, libraries that are included 
as part of the base distribution are not. Same situation here, liteide upstream 
is including gocode, it's not being pulled separately and simply bundled with 
liteide.

Doug  

Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts

[Karol Blazewicz]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Doug Newgard  wrote:
> 
>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:59 -0400
>> From: jdarn...@buddydog.org
>> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
>> Subject: [arch-general] Package conflicts
>>
>> I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages. liteide,
>> which is an official Pacman package, has recently started to include
>> the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via the AUR
>> package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package called
>> gocode-bin but no pacman package).
>>
>> So now when I try to update I get an error:
>>
>> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
>> liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem
>>
>> This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
>> gocode here. So I reported the problem:
>>
>> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607
>>
>> and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
>> aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.
>>
>> Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the AUR
>> package can do if some other package is going to just put any old
>> binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it. Shouldn't
>> the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'? Or conflicts or
>> something besides just letting pacman complain about a file that exists
>> in the filesystem?

See 
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/log/trunk?h=packages/liteide
-> 
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/liteide&id=58c9d99fd75dbfab1b4fa6f8b5fe0541fffaef4a

Package from the repos shouldn't conflict with other packages from the
official repos, but there may be an issue with packages from the AUR.
In this case, it's usually up to the AUR package maintainer to work around it.

>>
>> Carrying this a bit further, how would it or should it work if I did
>> want to keep using gocode-git, but also use liteide?
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Arnold Webstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io
>>
>> If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
>> need a team ~ John Wooden
>
> As I said, contact the AUR maintainer. There are really two options; first, 
> he can add liteide to the conflicts array, in which case you can't have them 
> installed together. Second, he can move the conflicting binaries. Either way, 
> it's something that needs to be done in the AUR package.
>
> Doug

Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts

[ProgAndy]

Am 25.03.2014 16:33, schrieb Doug Newgard:



Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:59 -0400
From: jdarn...@buddydog.org
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: [arch-general] Package conflicts

I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages. liteide,
which is an official Pacman package, has recently started to include
the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via the AUR
package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package called
gocode-bin but no pacman package).

So now when I try to update I get an error:

error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem

This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
gocode here. So I reported the problem:

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607

and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.

Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the AUR
package can do if some other package is going to just put any old
binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it. Shouldn't
the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'? Or conflicts or
something besides just letting pacman complain about a file that exists
in the filesystem?

Carrying this a bit further, how would it or should it work if I did
want to keep using gocode-git, but also use liteide?

--
Jonathan Arnold Webstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io

If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
need a team ~ John Wooden

As I said, contact the AUR maintainer. There are really two options; first, he 
can add liteide to the conflicts array, in which case you can't have them 
installed together. Second, he can move the conflicting binaries. Either way, 
it's something that needs to be done in the AUR package.

Doug
As far as I know, gocode is a go library (go package?). For python, each 
library is packaged separately, why is it different for go?


Andreas

Re: [arch-general] Package conflicts

[Doug Newgard]

> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:03:59 -0400
> From: jdarn...@buddydog.org
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: [arch-general] Package conflicts
>
> I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages. liteide,
> which is an official Pacman package, has recently started to include
> the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via the AUR
> package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package called
> gocode-bin but no pacman package).
>
> So now when I try to update I get an error:
>
> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
> liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem
>
> This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
> gocode here. So I reported the problem:
>
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607
>
> and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
> aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.
>
> Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the AUR
> package can do if some other package is going to just put any old
> binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it. Shouldn't
> the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'? Or conflicts or
> something besides just letting pacman complain about a file that exists
> in the filesystem?
>
> Carrying this a bit further, how would it or should it work if I did
> want to keep using gocode-git, but also use liteide?
>
> --
> Jonathan Arnold Webstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io
>
> If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
> need a team ~ John Wooden

As I said, contact the AUR maintainer. There are really two options; first, he 
can add liteide to the conflicts array, in which case you can't have them 
installed together. Second, he can move the conflicting binaries. Either way, 
it's something that needs to be done in the AUR package.

Doug  

Re: [arch-general] Error when I try update pacman -Syu

[Maykel Franco]

2014-03-24 18:58 GMT+01:00 Karol Blazewicz :
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Bächler  wrote:
>> Am 24.03.2014 17:18, schrieb Karol Blazewicz:
>>> jre7 is in the AUR so pacman won't update it, but jre7-openjdk is in
>>> the repos and provides the same 'item' as jre7: java-runtime=7
>>> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/jr/jre7/PKGBUILD
>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/jre7-openjdk/
>>> that's why they conflict.
>>
>> That's not why they conflict. It's because jre7 explicitly has
>> java-runtime=7 as a conflict (among others). 'conflicts' has nothing to
>> do with 'provides'.
>>
>>> You seem to be using jre7. If you want to keep using it, you have to
>>> keep jre7-openjdk out. Try adding it to IgnorePkg.
>>
>> And how will that help?
>>
 root@arch-maykel /home/maykel/ # LANG=C yaourt -Rdd jre7-openjdk
 error: target not found: jre7-openjdk
>>
>> It seems that a package is updated and the newer version explicitly
>> depends on jre7-openjdk. This is probably a packaging error (although
>> after a quick glance at the repos, I cannot find any such package).
>>
>
> You're right, Thomas.
> Maykel, install expac and run
> expac "%n - %E" -S $(checkupdates) | grep jre7-openjdk


Thanks for all. This command not result anything

[arch-general] Package conflicts

[Jonathan Arnold]

I'm having a problem with the liteide vs gocode-git packages. liteide,
which is an official Pacman package, has recently started to include
the /usr/bin/gocode binary, which I have been using via the AUR
package gocode-git (there is also another AUR package called
gocode-bin but no pacman package). 

So now when I try to update I get an error:

error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
liteide: /usr/bin/gocode exists in filesystem

This didn't seem to be right, as I'm trying to install liteide, not
gocode here. So I reported the problem:

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39607

and it immediately got closed with the statement that AUR packages
aren't supported so contact the maintainer of the AUR package.

Well, as far as I can tell, there isn't much the maintainer of the AUR
package can do if some other package is going to just put any old
binary wherever it wants without saying anything about it. Shouldn't
the liteide package at least say it provides 'gocode'? Or conflicts or
something besides just letting pacman complain about a file that exists
in the filesystem?

Carrying this a bit further, how would it or should it work if I did
want to keep using gocode-git, but also use liteide?

-- 
Jonathan ArnoldWebstream: http://hieronymus.soup.io

If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, you
need a team ~ John Wooden