Re: [arch-general] pacman mirrorlist update

2015-06-18 Thread Eli Schwartz
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Francis Gerund  wrote:

> Okay, thanks guys.
>
> I will continue to do:
>
> sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
> rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
>
> frequently, and then update (very frequently) as usual, by:
>
> sudo pacmatic -Syyuv
>
> And I will delete etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew, RSN.
>
> I don't know what the purpose of the pacman-mirrorlist -20150618-1 update
> was. Maybe the idea was to encourage people to "freshen up" their
> mirrorlist more often.
>
> But since that seems to require manually merging from
> etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew,
> might that be counterproductive?  I am not saying it's wrong - just a
> thought.
>

There's no reason to force pacman to redownload up-to-date databases, in
fact if you get a slow mirror there can be times when you end up with
packages trying to downgrade. The only time I ever forced database sync is
when I got a corrupted database due to WiFi hotspot splash screens.
(They get downloaded because the datestamp is that second or thereabouts,
certainly newer than the repo database. I *usually* remember to sign in
with a curl script first thing.)

As for the mirrorlist, not everyone uses reflector, and the ones who don't
SHOULD get their mirrorlist updated, if not from reflector then through the
package. Yes they will have to manually merge it in. That is why pacman
warns them that a pacnew file was created -- as a general rule of thumb,
people should look at those.
pacman-mirrorlist gets semi-frequent updates. I ignore them, and
occasionally delete them with pacdiffviewer if I feel like it -- because I
know that is one of the handful of expected .pacnew files that are
meaningless.

-- Eli Schwartz


Re: [arch-general] pacman mirrorlist update

2015-06-18 Thread Francis Gerund
Okay, thanks guys.

I will continue to do:

sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

frequently, and then update (very frequently) as usual, by:

sudo pacmatic -Syyuv

And I will delete etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew, RSN.

I don't know what the purpose of the pacman-mirrorlist -20150618-1 update
was. Maybe the idea was to encourage people to "freshen up" their
mirrorlist more often.

But since that seems to require manually merging from
etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew,
might that be counterproductive?  I am not saying it's wrong - just a
thought.



On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Guus Snijders  wrote:

> Op 18 jun. 2015 17:34 schreef "Francis Gerund" :
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > Just installed update pacman-mirrorlist -20150618-1, installed by pacman
> as
> > /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew, and there is nothing exotic about my
> > /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.
> [...]
> > Should I again just:
> >
> > sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
> > rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
> >
> > and then just delete /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew?
>
> You could re-rate your mirrors, but it's  probably not necessary (assuming
> your current mirrors are okay, of course).
> You can safely delete the mirror list.new.
>
> Mvg, Guus
>


Re: [arch-general] pacman mirrorlist update

2015-06-18 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 18 jun. 2015 17:34 schreef "Francis Gerund" :
>
> Hello.
>
> Just installed update pacman-mirrorlist -20150618-1, installed by pacman
as
> /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew, and there is nothing exotic about my
> /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.
[...]
> Should I again just:
>
> sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
> rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
>
> and then just delete /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew?

You could re-rate your mirrors, but it's  probably not necessary (assuming
your current mirrors are okay, of course).
You can safely delete the mirror list.new.

Mvg, Guus


Re: [arch-general] Mutt's Missing Manual

2015-06-18 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On 18/06/15, Grady Martin wrote:
> Hi, all.  Mutt's the bee's knees, but a recent install has revealed that the 
> HTML manuals in /usr/share/doc/mutt have been replaced with an empty text 
> file, /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.  Can anyone confirm this?  I performed 
> a fresh install, just to make sure I wasn't off my rocker.
> 
> Might mutt's manuals not mean much to most men?

The make command of the manual during build is failing and ignored.
Confirmed by downloading ABS and building locally.

Upstream problem.

You can use manual entry:
$ man 1 mutt

-- 


Re: [arch-general] Mutt's Missing Manual

2015-06-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:34:21 -0400, Grady Martin wrote:
>Can anyone confirm this?

Not for Mutt from extra, but I've got mutt-sidebar installed.

$ pacman -Q mutt-sidebar
mutt-sidebar 1.5.23-10
$ ls -hAl /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 21 09:07 /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt


[arch-general] Mutt's Missing Manual

2015-06-18 Thread Grady Martin
Hi, all.  Mutt's the bee's knees, but a recent install has revealed that the 
HTML manuals in /usr/share/doc/mutt have been replaced with an empty text file, 
/usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.  Can anyone confirm this?  I performed a fresh 
install, just to make sure I wasn't off my rocker.

Might mutt's manuals not mean much to most men?


Re: [arch-general] pacman mirrorlist update

2015-06-18 Thread Jens Adam
Hi Francis,

no idea.

I tend to ignore mirrorlist updates and use the website generator
from time to time, no real schedule:
https://www.archlinux.org/mirrorlist/?country=all&protocol=https&ip_version=6&use_mirror_status=on
The single mirror I'll then pick from that list offers a good
compromise between its score and hop count/speed (not using any tools).

But just look at what has changed and decide for yourself:
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/pacman-mirrorlist&id=5371b0c979e5a0c3f1934e24637cf87a43145f39

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[arch-general] pacman mirrorlist update

2015-06-18 Thread Francis Gerund
Hello.

Just installed update pacman-mirrorlist -20150618-1, installed by pacman as
/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew, and there is nothing exotic about my
/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.

I just normally update my mirrorlist by doing:

sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

as suggested by the Arch wiki pacman article.

Should I again just:

sudo reflector --verbose --country 'United States' -l 200 -p http --sort
rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

and then just delete /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew?