Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Serge Hooge
> - read the homepage news
> - check the bugtracker (and forums if I'm not in a hurry) for major
>   kernel ("[linux] ...") issues and other still active bugs from
>   that timeframe, especially those with a high priority and a large
>   number of votes/comments
> - run my backup script
> - run pacman -Syu
> - merge all *.pacnew files right away

Pretty much. I've had a system collecting dust for over a year (I was
off in a different country) and I managed to update without any
problems by doing the above, so worry not.

For a more fool-proof thing, it's always possible to make a
staged-update script working from the Archive.

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Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Jens Adam
I'd do the following:

- read the homepage news
- check the bugtracker (and forums if I'm not in a hurry) for major
  kernel ("[linux] ...") issues and other still active bugs from
  that timeframe, especially those with a high priority and a large
  number of votes/comments
- run my backup script
- run pacman -Syu
- merge all *.pacnew files right away

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Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 6 nov. 2015 09:25 schreef "Aron Widforss" :
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm going out for a four month hike next spring, and will not bring my
> loved XPS with me. It struck me yesterday that being offline for four
> months is something pacman and yaourt might not like. How do these
> programs handle long-term stasis, will things break horribly when I come
> back and run an update? Is there anything I can do to avoid it?

As others noted: make sure your data is backed up safely. Besides that:
check the arch news before updating and you should be ok.

I've had exactly the same situation with a special system, but even after 6
months or so, the update went very smooth. Pacman is really a killer app
here ;).

Mvg, Guus


Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread G. Schlisio
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going out for a four month hike next spring, and will not bring my
> loved XPS with me. It struck me yesterday that being offline for four
> months is something pacman and yaourt might not like. How do these
> programs handle long-term stasis, will things break horribly when I come
> back and run an update? Is there anything I can do to avoid it?
> 
> Best regards,
> Aron Widforss

Hi Aron,

in addition to what the others say (i fully support):
note, that arch does not support partial updates, while nowhere you'll
find a maximum time between updates, that is supported.

i have done the exact same this summer - experiencing no problems at
all. i was away nearly two month. i didnt bother with several update
steps as well…

greetings



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Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Aron Widforss
Ah, it seems easy to just make small hops a couple of weeks at a time
using the Archive. Thanks!


Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Aron Widforss  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm going out for a four month hike next spring, and will not bring my
> loved XPS with me. It struck me yesterday that being offline for four
> months is something pacman and yaourt might not like. How do these
> programs handle long-term stasis, will things break horribly when I come
> back and run an update? Is there anything I can do to avoid it?

For that period of time, I'd do one of two things.

If I had a proper system backup, I'd just update when I came back, and
hope everything works (best case assumption). This doesn't take much
time unless you're on a really slow connection.

If I didn't have that (or the space for that) I'd just do updates
using the archive a week (at most) at a time. Simulate weekly updates,
basically. Should be really safe.

Oh, and have a great time!


Re: [arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
Hello Aron,

On 06/11/15, Aron Widforss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going out for a four month hike next spring, and will not bring my
> loved XPS with me. It struck me yesterday that being offline for four
> months is something pacman and yaourt might not like. How do these
> programs handle long-term stasis, will things break horribly when I come
> back and run an update? Is there anything I can do to avoid it?
> 
Probably the best thing is to read the news in reverse when you are
back. Pacman in general had some issues but I haven't seen something big
in last months - in my opinion it's rare occations where long inactivity
breaks the system.

Having said that though if you notice something "smelly" on the news I'd 
suggest to use something like Archlinux Archive [1]. Although not officially
supported there are some nice features with agetpkg [2] like "Restoring
to a specific date" [3].

Note: The agetpkg has been the subject of a discussion in dev list for
inlcuding it as a package or being in AUR. Hopefully by the time you are
going this would be resolved.

Discalimer: I've never used it and the most I've been inactive is about
a month which pacman was able to work with.

[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive
[2]: https://github.com/seblu/agetpkg
[3]:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive#How_to_restore_all_my_packages_at_a_specific_date


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[arch-general] Long-term offline Arch system

2015-11-06 Thread Aron Widforss
Hi,

I'm going out for a four month hike next spring, and will not bring my
loved XPS with me. It struck me yesterday that being offline for four
months is something pacman and yaourt might not like. How do these
programs handle long-term stasis, will things break horribly when I come
back and run an update? Is there anything I can do to avoid it?

Best regards,
Aron Widforss