Re: [arch-general] fluxbox/xscreensaver xterm unresponsive upon screensaver cancel?

2016-10-17 Thread David C. Rankin 
On 10/11/2016 01:24 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> FWIW, a quick test in a VM doesn't show this behavior. What happens if you run
> xscreensaver-command -lock from an xterm?

I can lock and unlock after several minutes and all is fine. It's when it has
been locked for a day or so with the xterm running that it becomes unresponsive.
ACPI issue?

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[arch-general] archwiki posfix/razor register razor fails

2016-10-17 Thread David C. Rankin 
All,

  Does https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Postfix#Using_Razor need to be
updated? Attempting to register razor fails at:

 # mkdir /etc/mail/spamassassin/razor
 # chown spamd:spamd /etc/mail/spamassassin/razor
 # sudo -u spamd -s
 $ razor-admin -home=/etc/mail/spamassassin/razor -register
Can't locate Razor2/Client/Agent.pm:   lib/Razor2/Client/Agent.pm: Permission
denied at /usr/bin/vendor_perl/razor-admin line 15.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/vendor_perl/razor-admin line 15.

  The complained about line in /usr/bin/vendor_perl/razor-admin is:

use Razor2::Client::Agent;

  Is this a perl issue?, spamassassin issue? or razor issue? The razor directory
is created with the proper permissions, e.g.

# ll /etc/mail/spamassassin/
total 40
drwxr-xr-x 2 spamd spamd 4096 Oct 18 00:28 razor


  What say the experts?

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Re: [arch-general] system crashes when starting network connection

2016-10-17 Thread sivmu 


Am 18.10.2016 um 00:53 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:50:14 +0200, sivmu wrote:
>> The result of the trigger is a full system crash, showing the current
>> screen.
> 
>> I have no idea how to analyse the issue further.
> 
> You didn't mention what WM or DE, what kind of network, what tool to
> access the network and what graphics is used.
> 

Sorry for that.

I'm using the awesome WM, there are basically no other userspace
processes running besides teh xserver, dbus and systemd.

First I suspected the recent upgrade to gtk 3.22 might be the culprit,
but after mutt caused the same issue (used in xterm) I think that can be
ruled out. The amdgpu driver was also a suspect but I have not found
anything to support that idea.

Since This only happens after the network has been inactive for some
time, I highly suspect the issue lies there.

The network adapter is an intel gigabit ethernet adapter, I will try to
find out the exact specification. up till now there was never a problem
with it anyway.

I have been running this szstem for mounth without issues. The only
suspect software that was updated recently was gtk and the upgrade to
linux 4.7.7



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Re: [arch-general] system crashes when starting network connection

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:50:14 +0200, sivmu wrote:
>The result of the trigger is a full system crash, showing the current
>screen.

>I have no idea how to analyse the issue further.

You didn't mention what WM or DE, what kind of network, what tool to
access the network and what graphics is used.

A wild guess, since the GUI does freeze, it might be related to the used
DE and/or the graphics.

Regards,
Ralf

[arch-general] system crashes when starting network connection

2016-10-17 Thread sivmu 
Hello,

recently I have come across a weird problem regarding full system
crashes under certain conditions.

It seems somewhat random but the trigger always includes starting a
network connection after sometime with no network connectivity.


The only applications that have triggered the issue until now are
firefox (after starting normaly) which triggers the second I click on a
bookmark to open a website (no network conenction until that second).
The other application was mutt, which triggered the moment when I
fetched mails and the status bar said "looking up mbox" or something of
the like.

The result of the trigger is a full system crash, showing the current
screen.
Using Ctrl+Alt+F1/7 does not work.
There is no trace in the logs, neither in the journal nor did I find
anything with dmseg.
The only way to get out of this is by hard reset.

I have tried to replicate the bug but so far I was not succesful.

I have no idea how to analyse the issue further.
Do you have any hints on how to produce continious detailed logfiles or
something of that sort to find what is wrong?

Thanks



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Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:51:20 +0200, Merlin Büge wrote:
>Here is it: http://www.halfgaar.net/backing-up-unix

https://www.lesbonscomptes.com/pages/extattrs.html

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
Ok, hard links aren't links anymore.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /tmp/
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ mkdir test
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ echo hello > test/test.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ln test/test.txt test/hardlink.txt 
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls -i test/ 
2906732 hardlink.txt  2906732 test.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cp -pr test/ test_2
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls -i test_2/
2908188 hardlink.txt  2908189 test.txt
 ^^^^
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cat test_2/*
hello
hello

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:24:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:42:03 +0200, Merlin Büge wrote:
>>Also cp -pr does not preserve links or xattrs for example. Maybe cp
>>-ar would be more appropriate.  
>
>Ok, actually I regularly backup to a tar archive and at least links are
>preserved. I seemingly missed to use the --xattrs switch, fortunately
>this never caused an issue for me, but I consider to add it to my
>scripts soon.
>
>Thank you for the pointer and my apologies for the false advice.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cd /tmp/
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ mkdir test
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cd test/
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ touch 1.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ ln -s 1.txt link.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ ls
1.txt  link.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ cd ..
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cp -pr test/ test_2
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls test_2/
1.txt  link.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls -l test test_2
test:
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 1.txt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 5 Oct 17 22:26 link.txt -> 1.txt

test_2:
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 1.txt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 5 Oct 17 22:26 link.txt -> 1.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cd test
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ ln 1.txt hardlink.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 1.txt
-rw-r--r-- 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 hardlink.txt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 5 Oct 17 22:26 link.txt -> 1.txt
[rocketmouse@archlinux test]$ cd ..
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cp -pr test/ test_2
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls -l test test_2
test:
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 1.txt
-rw-r--r-- 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Oct 17 22:26 hardlink.txt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 5 Oct 17 22:26 link.txt -> 1.txt

test_2:
total 0
-rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse   0 Oct 17 22:26 1.txt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse   5 Oct 17 22:26 link.txt -> 1.txt
drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 100 Oct 17 22:29 test
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$

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Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:42:03 +0200, Merlin Büge wrote:
>Also cp -pr does not preserve links or xattrs for example. Maybe cp
>-ar would be more appropriate.

Ok, actually I regularly backup to a tar archive and at least links are
preserved. I seemingly missed to use the --xattrs switch, fortunately
this never caused an issue for me, but I consider to add it to my
scripts soon.

Thank you for the pointer and my apologies for the false advice.

Regards,
Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Merlin Büge 
Sorry for the spam.

> If you are willing to spend some time reading, here is a good article which
> mentions some pitfalls regarding backups.

Here is it: http://www.halfgaar.net/backing-up-unix

Should go to bed now...


Regards,

mearon


Merlin Büge

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Merlin Büge 
Typo fix:

> -xattrs
> -hard-links
> -acls

Should be of course:

--xattrs
--hard-links
--acls


Regards,

mearon

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Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Merlin Büge 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:20:53 +0200
Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:12:51 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf 
> To: Arch general 
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:11:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >I would simply sudo cp -r everything.  
> 
> Oops,   sudo cp -pr

I would definitely go for rsync, because it's easier to resume if the process
gets interrupted, for whatever reason.

Also cp -pr does not preserve links or xattrs for example. Maybe cp -ar would
be more appropriate.

rsync -a is a good start, you might also want to check if you need
-xattrs
-hard-links
-acls
--numeric-ids (if doing edits from a live system)
--sparse
--relative

And yes, you sould review your fstab. If you use UUIDs in it, then they have
to be adapted of course.

If you are willing to spend some time reading, here is a good article which
mentions some pitfalls regarding backups.

Regarding the bootloader: Yes, you would have to install it on the new drive
ofc. Your commands seem okay to me, not sure if you need something more.

If you have a swap file, create it first, so that it gets not scattered on the
new drive.

Regards,

mearon


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Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:11:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>you could simply
>
>sudo systemd-nspawn -bqD /mnt/
>
>from the existing install and run the commands required for your
>bootloader of choice, assuming this grub auto thingy does generate UUID
>based entries and your fstab (if you still should use fstab at all)
>does contain those, too, since sdx would change from x=b to x=a, if you
>remove the old drive.

Did I misunderstand something?

Sure, if not both drives should be connected, you need a live media to
install grub.

My apologies.

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
Begin forwarded message:

Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:12:51 +0200
From: Ralf Mardorf 
To: Arch general 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync


On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:11:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I would simply sudo cp -r everything.  

Oops,   sudo cp -pr

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 21:11:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>you could simply
>
>sudo systemd-nspawn -bqD /mnt/
>
>from the existing install and run the commands required for your
>bootloader of choice, assuming this grub auto thingy does generate UUID
>based entries and your fstab (if you still should use fstab at all)
>does contain those, too, since sdx would change from x=b to x=a, if you
>remove the old drive.

PPS:

Oops again,

this would add entries for the new and old drive's ;), so after
removing the old drive, you need to run the grub auto-thingy again, to
get rid of the entries related to the old drive.

Re: [arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:29:13 +0100, niya levi via arch-general wrote:
>hi everyone
>
>i am trying to replace my laptop drive with another,
>
>to clone the laptop drive to a second drive i followed 'Full system
>backup with rsync' from the wiki
>
>1 create a partition table and filesystem on the second drive
>
>2 mount the drive to /mnt
>
>3 rsync -aAXv
>--exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"}
>/ /mnt

I would simply sudo cp -r everything.

>before i swap the drive in the laptop with the second drive 
>
>do i chroot and run the following commands to configure the bootloader
>and do i need to do this from installation cd ?
>
># grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdx
># grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

you could simply

sudo systemd-nspawn -bqD /mnt/

from the existing install and run the commands required for your
bootloader of choice, assuming this grub auto thingy does generate UUID
based entries and your fstab (if you still should use fstab at all) does
contain those, too, since sdx would change from x=b to x=a, if you
remove the old drive.

Regards,
Ralf



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[arch-general] Full system backup with rsync

2016-10-17 Thread niya levi via arch-general 
hi everyone

i am trying to replace my laptop drive with another,

to clone the laptop drive to a second drive i followed 'Full system
backup with rsync' from the wiki

1 create a partition table and filesystem on the second drive

2 mount the drive to /mnt

3 rsync -aAXv
--exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"}
/ /mnt

before i swap the drive in the laptop with the second drive 

do i chroot and run the following commands to configure the bootloader
and do i need to do this from installation cd ?

# grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdx
# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

shadrock