Re: [arch-general] nftables partially broken after kernel update to 4.16.9
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:43:36AM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/nftables/ says > Flagged out-of-date on 2018-05-11 > Version 1:0.8.5-1 in testing > so perhaps that new version would help? I'm happy to report that after updating to the latest version of linux kernel and nftables, the problem is resolved. Regards.
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 05/29/2018 10:27 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote: > Em maio 29, 2018 8:27 Eli Schwartz via arch-general escreveu: >> >> I'm of the opinion that there cannot be a license requirement for reuse >> at all, since it's not original enough, and explicitly clarify this in >> https://github.com/eli-schwartz/pkgbuilds#copyright >> > > Well, I never thought about licensing PKGBUILD's. Honestly, I don't > think we need a license. > But, perhaps, considering the implications of this request, we can > discuss about one. I'm not > against it, and we currently have ways for someone to do this. > > Thinking from the technical standpoint, I just don't want our servers to > be even more hammered > with API requests than they are, specially the AUR. > > Regards, > Giancarlo Razzolini (IANAL) While every single PKGBUILD file may be trivial enough and thus does not require a license, the aggregation of them is actually significant. For now, let's see them as data files as they are in the database. without an explicit license, under the US copyright law, the owner has all rights reserved, including the right to "to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords" and to "distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending" (see [1]). I think this can be eventually harmful for ArchLinux. For example, one can host an internal mirror for ArchLinux repositories without signing explicit agreement with the owner of the repository data. Even, as a user, downloading repository data is a form of reproducing. It might be good if developers have to agree to license PKGBUILD files under a certain license when they are uploading packages (again, I Am Not A Lawyer). But someone should consult a lawyer to do all these... [1]: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106 Hong signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 05/29/2018 07:27 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote: > Thinking from the technical standpoint, I just don't want our servers to be > even more hammered > with API requests than they are, specially the AUR. Well, as far as the repos go, one could just query the database files directly instead of hammering that API. -- Rob (coderobe) O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
Em maio 29, 2018 8:27 Eli Schwartz via arch-general escreveu: I'm of the opinion that there cannot be a license requirement for reuse at all, since it's not original enough, and explicitly clarify this in https://github.com/eli-schwartz/pkgbuilds#copyright Well, I never thought about licensing PKGBUILD's. Honestly, I don't think we need a license. But, perhaps, considering the implications of this request, we can discuss about one. I'm not against it, and we currently have ways for someone to do this. Thinking from the technical standpoint, I just don't want our servers to be even more hammered with API requests than they are, specially the AUR. Regards, Giancarlo Razzolini pgpZibMRys6B2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
In data martedì 29 maggio 2018 16:26:14 CEST, hai scritto: > Indeed. It does work properly if the sender is the mailing list address (eg. > arch-general@archlinux.org), not the private address of the author (eg > frapox at gmail dot com). Sorry I was imprecise... The "reply to mailing list" of KMail works fine if the mail you're replying to is coming from the list, not straight from the author. -- fp
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
In data martedì 29 maggio 2018 15:19:28 CEST, Jagannathan Tiruvallur Eachambadi via arch-general ha scritto: > On 29-05-18 09:10:35 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > >On 05/29/2018 08:01 AM, Francesco Porro via arch-general wrote: > >> Can you see you (or your Mua) added my address to CC? (since the first > >> mail I got). If I hit reply, Kmail autofills the "To" field with your > >> mailbox instead of the mailinglist address, and I have to switch to ml > >> address manually every time (and accidentally I forgot to do it once, so > >> you received a mail directly from me, you assumed was a private reply). > >> Btw, no problem. > > > >Sounds like a bug in kmail, my Thunderbird replaces the default reply > >button with "Reply to list" and only sends to the list. > > Kmail has a reply to list button and it appears in the context menu as > well. I don't remember kmail having a problem earlier when I used with > respect to sending mails to a list. But this has been discussed a lot > already :P Indeed. It does work properly if the sender is the mailing list address (eg. arch-general@archlinux.org), not the private address of the author (eg frapox at gmail dot com). -- fp
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
On 29-05-18 09:10:35 -0400, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: On 05/29/2018 08:01 AM, Francesco Porro via arch-general wrote: Can you see you (or your Mua) added my address to CC? (since the first mail I got). If I hit reply, Kmail autofills the "To" field with your mailbox instead of the mailinglist address, and I have to switch to ml address manually every time (and accidentally I forgot to do it once, so you received a mail directly from me, you assumed was a private reply). Btw, no problem. Sounds like a bug in kmail, my Thunderbird replaces the default reply button with "Reply to list" and only sends to the list. Kmail has a reply to list button and it appears in the context menu as well. I don't remember kmail having a problem earlier when I used with respect to sending mails to a list. But this has been discussed a lot already :P -- Regards Jagan signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
On 05/29/2018 08:01 AM, Francesco Porro via arch-general wrote: > Can you see you (or your Mua) added my address to CC? (since the first mail I > got). If I hit reply, Kmail autofills the "To" field with your mailbox > instead > of the mailinglist address, and I have to switch to ml address manually every > time (and accidentally I forgot to do it once, so you received a mail > directly > from me, you assumed was a private reply). Btw, no problem. Sounds like a bug in kmail, my Thunderbird replaces the default reply button with "Reply to list" and only sends to the list. I actually have to go into "More" ==> "Reply all" if I want to CC people automatically. Even the "Reply" option finds the mailinglist address as the *From* address to reply to. -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
In data martedì 29 maggio 2018 13:14:00 CEST, hai scritto: > I think there's some confusion. I checked the mail you sent me, and > the only recipient was my address, no list addres in either field. > Therefore I assumed you mailed me directly, off-list, and so I didn't > add back the list in my reply. Usually, when someone does this, it's > considered off-list and meant to be private. It's better to miss the > list than expose a potentially personal email to the public list. Can you see you (or your Mua) added my address to CC? (since the first mail I got). If I hit reply, Kmail autofills the "To" field with your mailbox instead of the mailinglist address, and I have to switch to ml address manually every time (and accidentally I forgot to do it once, so you received a mail directly from me, you assumed was a private reply). Btw, no problem. > Interesting. That sounds like a performance bug in the interaction of > Konversation and Baloo. But it's still odd that Debian doesn't have > this. I assume the KDE version tested was the same on the different > distros. At this point I don't know if it's a bug of baloo or konversation (or a combination of the two), since It doesn't happen on Debian or Kubuntu. And yes, the version of KDE and related apps were the same. -- fp
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 29 May 2018 at 12:23, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: > On 05/29/2018 07:19 AM, Morgan Adamiec via arch-general wrote: >> On 29 May 2018 at 08:57, Hong Xu wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm interested in collecting the metadata of all packages. I intend to >>> do this by crawling the ArchLinux package listing pages (let me know if >>> there is a better way!). However, on the package listing pages [1,2], I >>> do not see any license information regarding how one can use these >>> metadata. Can someone help me here? Thanks! >>> >>> [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/ >>> [2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ >>> >>> >>> Hong >>> >> >> There are web interfaces for the main repositories and the AUR. >> >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AurJson >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_repositories_web_interface > > This is not a practical "How can I programmatically do this" but a > legalistic "under what copyright permissions am I permitted to do this". > > -- > Eli Schwartz > Bug Wrangler and Trusted User > Oh yeah, my mistake. That's an interesting topic actually thanks.
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 05/29/2018 03:57 AM, Hong Xu wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm interested in collecting the metadata of all packages. I intend to > do this by crawling the ArchLinux package listing pages (let me know if > there is a better way!). However, on the package listing pages [1,2], I > do not see any license information regarding how one can use these > metadata. Can someone help me here? Thanks! We have an open bug for this, actually: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/44893 I'm of the opinion that there cannot be a license requirement for reuse at all, since it's not original enough, and explicitly clarify this in https://github.com/eli-schwartz/pkgbuilds#copyright -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 05/29/2018 07:19 AM, Morgan Adamiec via arch-general wrote: > On 29 May 2018 at 08:57, Hong Xu wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm interested in collecting the metadata of all packages. I intend to >> do this by crawling the ArchLinux package listing pages (let me know if >> there is a better way!). However, on the package listing pages [1,2], I >> do not see any license information regarding how one can use these >> metadata. Can someone help me here? Thanks! >> >> [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/ >> [2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ >> >> >> Hong >> > > There are web interfaces for the main repositories and the AUR. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AurJson > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_repositories_web_interface This is not a practical "How can I programmatically do this" but a legalistic "under what copyright permissions am I permitted to do this". -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
On 29 May 2018 at 08:57, Hong Xu wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm interested in collecting the metadata of all packages. I intend to > do this by crawling the ArchLinux package listing pages (let me know if > there is a better way!). However, on the package listing pages [1,2], I > do not see any license information regarding how one can use these > metadata. Can someone help me here? Thanks! > > [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/ > [2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ > > > Hong > There are web interfaces for the main repositories and the AUR. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AurJson https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Official_repositories_web_interface
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
On 5/29/18, Francesco Porro via arch-general wrote: > You don't need to add my address since I'm subscribed to the mailing > list :) > > (it you do, and I hit reply, Kmail replys only to your email by > default). I think there's some confusion. I checked the mail you sent me, and the only recipient was my address, no list addres in either field. Therefore I assumed you mailed me directly, off-list, and so I didn't add back the list in my reply. Usually, when someone does this, it's considered off-list and meant to be private. It's better to miss the list than expose a potentially personal email to the public list. Anyway, let's focus on the topic. > Btw, today i'm going to try changing the scheduler to BFQ, even if I Do not expect magical fixes. It may or may not help the I/O load that's affecting you. > found a workaround that avoid the baloo scheduler activating every > 10 seconds: simply I changed the path where to save Konversation's > logs to his .config dir (baloo doen't indexes dotted files o dirs). Interesting. That sounds like a performance bug in the interaction of Konversation and Baloo. But it's still odd that Debian doesn't have this. I assume the KDE version tested was the same on the different distros.
Re: [arch-general] KDE plasma, baloo and UI/video playback freezes
In data domenica 27 maggio 2018 18:27:22 CEST, hai scritto: > On 5/27/18, Francesco Porro via arch-general wrote: > > You mailed me privately. Better replying to mailing list since this could > > be > > > > useful to others && please do not top quote. > > Agreed, but I only replied to your direct mail to me. Apologies if > I missed the CC somehow. You don't need to add my address since I'm subscribed to the mailing list :) (it you do, and I hit reply, Kmail replys only to your email by default). Btw, today i'm going to try changing the scheduler to BFQ, even if I found a workaround that avoid the baloo scheduler activating every 10 seconds: simply I changed the path where to save Konversation's logs to his .config dir (baloo doen't indexes dotted files o dirs). -- fp
[arch-general] Distribution license of package information on the website?
Hi everyone, I'm interested in collecting the metadata of all packages. I intend to do this by crawling the ArchLinux package listing pages (let me know if there is a better way!). However, on the package listing pages [1,2], I do not see any license information regarding how one can use these metadata. Can someone help me here? Thanks! [1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/ [2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ Hong signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
